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Hotkey is one of the way to identify pro !!!

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calo34
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 14:56:32
July 17 2011 14:37 GMT
#1
I watched hundreads of starcraft 2 matches and i realize one thing :

the more control group key player use , the better skill the player has

The best player like MC , Nestle ....use all 10 control group keys, while the pro player like huk use only 7-8 , and the ign pro leagues players use only 4-6

As my observation, the best player after the 8th minutes is gonna use all 10 keys no matter which race they use Terran, protoss, zerg...

Yes, starcraft not only about micro but macro and i believe if you want to be the best, you must practice to use all 10 key

Feel free to discuss

Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
July 17 2011 14:39 GMT
#2
no shit bro T_T
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12904 Posts
July 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#3
lol
is this a joke thread?
Nestle? And it is control groups, not hotkeys.
There are more than just control groups, there are camera position saved point on the f keys.

Some race, some units composition would have more control groups heavy than the rest, it isn't the more you use, the better you are.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
.AbsoluTe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States45 Posts
July 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#4
My setup as zerg:

1-4 army
5 hatches
6-0 queens

I disagree with your statement though.
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tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
July 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#5
amazing insight.

will read again.
Rynzser
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania60 Posts
July 17 2011 14:42 GMT
#6
nestle ? rofl =)
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
July 17 2011 14:43 GMT
#7
And I'm pretty sure that is not 100% true because many players spam control groups. I have seen MC use his last5-6 as gateway.

And Huk is not by that logic an 8 control group player. He has won many tournaments and is one of the greatest players in SC2 right now
sgtjimmy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada107 Posts
July 17 2011 14:43 GMT
#8
Sheth binds each one of his hatcheries because in brood war thats what was needed. Idra binds each one of his queens for injects rather then all queens on one hotkey. I beleive losira at the beggining of each match binds his one hatchery to all of his hotkeys. IMO most brood war players are using more of the hotkeys because they are not used to the grouping of buildings and units. Using all 10 hotkeys is probably gonna be more of a micro mechanic then a macro, zerg will usually bind all queens on one hotkey and hatcheries on one, and there army spread out through the remainder for easier splits and two pronged attacks etc...
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Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 17 2011 14:50 GMT
#9
Close, lock or remove this thread please.
ForTheDream
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany1780 Posts
July 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#10
a lot of korean code-s and code-a players use not even close to 10 hotkeys, the most hover around at 6-7 and their setups are not really optimal if you look at it from an efficiency standpoint.
They just do what they are used to from broodwar and seeing that sc2 is considerably easier mechanicly they get away with being lazy with their hotkeys because they are fast enough anyways
In BurNIng we trust.
out_played
Profile Joined June 2011
United States12 Posts
July 17 2011 14:53 GMT
#11
im sorry, i didnt understand, were you speaking enghrish? and most of the hotkeys are for micro i.e. bio in one, then tanks in another, and drops, etc. same thing with zerg and protoss as well
FE? 7 rax it is then :D
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
July 17 2011 14:53 GMT
#12
interesting, thx for pointing out lol

but thats a ibt generalized
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zuperketla
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway212 Posts
July 17 2011 14:57 GMT
#13
nice one.
heyho
Mahtasooma
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany475 Posts
July 17 2011 15:05 GMT
#14
My hotkeys are:
1 Hatcheries
2 Banelings
3 currently controlled unit
4 melee units
5 tech units
6 Queens
7 creep queen
8 Overseer
9 Nydus exits
10 Nydus

and I'm plat.. so... dunno.
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rampd
Profile Joined August 2010
United States58 Posts
July 17 2011 15:09 GMT
#15
I Use 1-7 consistently I Can throw my observers and other random necessities on 890
Ardhimas
Profile Joined March 2011
Indonesia75 Posts
July 17 2011 15:34 GMT
#16
I've seen grandmasters play with as little as 4-5 hotkeys, and only 1 being his army. He was Terran.

Why? Because he can click efficiently in the screen to control the different units within his army. Rather than having one hotkey for 4 tanks, another for the marines and another for the medivacs, he clicks them on the screen since if he's using one he's bound to be using another too.
"Damn, you are like a man-bear-girl with those hands." - Qzy
rampd
Profile Joined August 2010
United States58 Posts
July 17 2011 15:52 GMT
#17
On July 18 2011 00:34 Ardhimas wrote:
Why? Because he can click efficiently in the screen to control the different units within his army. Rather than having one hotkey for 4 tanks, another for the marines and another for the medivacs, he clicks them on the screen since if he's using one he's bound to be using another too.


I think it would be more efficient to setup different hotkeys. I dont want to have to go into every battle ctrl clicking my casters just to get to them. How about if overlords are over the top of a battle. How do you efficiently click then?
Special Tactics
Profile Joined July 2011
Ukraine233 Posts
July 17 2011 15:56 GMT
#18
You had me at Nestle. Was fun while it lasted. Thanks
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 17 2011 15:57 GMT
#19
People have been using hotkeys to determine pro players since replays first came out for BW. Nothing new here.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
July 17 2011 16:13 GMT
#20
Not really much left to discuss....
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