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As I wait for the Hellgate Tokyo website to load I ran across this:
Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has said a householder who knifes a burglar will not have committed a criminal offence under plans to clarify the law on self-defence in England.
He told the BBC people were entitled to use "whatever force necessary" to protect themselves and their homes.
David Cameron recently said the issue should be put "beyond doubt".
Labour said the law was "already clear" and the remarks were a "smokescreen" to hide confusion over sentencing changes.
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Essentially they plan to clarify 'reasonable force' in regards to home invasions (UK).
I think it's a good move; to know exactly what you can and can't do so you don't have to deal with bs later on. Also, in the words of someone or other "fuck the fucking fuckers".
Now if only they could prevent burglars from suing you when they hurt themselves breaking into your place.
Edit:
Big love for the God Emperor Boxer! Stabbing rights against Boxer haters? 
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In the US it is legal to shoot intruders un-invited on our property if they are deemed a threat, AFAIK
Personally if someone broke into my house I wouldn't get close enough to them to use a knife, regardless of what was legal or not.
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all they are doing is clarifying?
that's good i guess....
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Good new for law-abiding British citizens.
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This is actually awesome and hopefully only results in positive things. This was always one of those laws that pissed me the fuck off when applicable. Absolute mockery of an already overwhelmed and often silly justice system.
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Makes sense, good for England
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i read this article this morning as well. good thing they're just clearing it up so people know they can actually defend themselves in a home invasion.
However does anybody know what the rule is about a theif running wth your stuff? you can shoot him in the back right? because your still defending your property which is in their posession...
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On June 30 2011 12:01 Arishok wrote:
In the US it is legal to shoot intruders un-invited on our property if they are deemed a threat, AFAIK
Personally if someone broke into my house I wouldn't get close enough to them to use a knife, regardless of what was legal or not.
no it is not. you are only allowed to use equal force that they are using upon you. If they pull out a gun, then you are allowed to open fire. I wouldnt want to be on your property on accident!
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If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
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On June 30 2011 12:05 coZen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 12:01 Arishok wrote:
In the US it is legal to shoot intruders un-invited on our property if they are deemed a threat, AFAIK
Personally if someone broke into my house I wouldn't get close enough to them to use a knife, regardless of what was legal or not. no it is not. you are only allowed to use equal force that they are using upon you. If they pull out a gun, then you are allowed to open fire. I wouldnt want to be on your property on accident!
Depends on the state and specific circumstances.
On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
Do you have enough valuables to make a plane ticket to New Zealand worth my time and money?
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On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
i think you've missed the point by like a mile.
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On June 30 2011 12:05 coZen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 12:01 Arishok wrote:
In the US it is legal to shoot intruders un-invited on our property if they are deemed a threat, AFAIK
Personally if someone broke into my house I wouldn't get close enough to them to use a knife, regardless of what was legal or not. no it is not. you are only allowed to use equal force that they are using upon you. If they pull out a gun, then you are allowed to open fire. I wouldnt want to be on your property on accident!
There is the "stepping on front yard" type of trespassing, and the "get inside the house" type.
If I have a gun I am not going to wait until you pull out that gun and show it: I may have shitty reflexes or I may panic at the sight of your gun. I am going to protect myself and act first.
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On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
Ha!
Good going Britain.
Also, it is legal to pull a gun if they haven't, isn't it? Just not to actually shoot at them? It should be, at the very least.
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On June 30 2011 12:09 tuestresfat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay. i think you've missed the point by like a mile.
lol, burglers aint my guests
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On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
exactly. God would not discriminate between burglars and friends, they are all his children. why are you?
+ Show Spoiler +edit: sarcasm, because god knows it can't be detected well
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All I can say is if someone ever broke into my apartment and came at me with a knife I wouldn't think twice about opening fire to defend myself over getting stabbed or killed. Good to see some of that is being cleared up for the UK at least.
The part that gets me though is when someone breaks into your house and then falls on a knife or something stupid and then wins after suing...that's just messed up.
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On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
lol I had a good laugh 
On June 30 2011 12:01 tomyoru wrote:
all they are doing is clarifying?
that's good i guess....
It's the difference between only cleaning bloodstains off the floor and cleaning bloodstains AND going to prison/paying the burglars medical bills.
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Cool, so I wanna kill someone, I just invite him at home, break a window and stab him ?
As long as there is no witness it's fine. And even if there's a witness, since no charges will be pressed against me, it should be fine.
Even if someone saw me in the street opening the door and shaking my victim's hand, unless he specifically learns later in the newspaper that I killed that guy and is able to recognize both of us he has no reason to mention it to anyone.
edit : If a burglar enters your home with a knife and you stab him, it should be considered "right of self defense", right ?
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On June 30 2011 12:07 naggerNZ wrote:
If someone enters your property, uninvited or not, they are your guest and should be treated as such. Stabbing people is not okay.
so the OP is talking about robbers and here you are making a ridiculous comment about "guests".
I hereby dub thee, Sir Troll of Trollington
On topic though, I think its about time that the justice system made clarification on these laws. Hearing stories about burglars suing the owners of the houses they break into is just so damn infuriating
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Honestly they should do this world wide. I live on the outskirts of some hick town and I'm always afraid of some retard stealing my shit.
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