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+ Show Spoiler + nah i havent even read the thread yet | ||
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Kinda suspicious of Ace to what he is suggesting and how it helps town. Jackal next because of the traffic, and I haven't read into anyone else, except tnkted, who will just sit in a corner sprinkling his little crumbs everywhere. Aren't we supposed to try to prevent everyone from being able to breadcrumb, not give them the best opportunities to do so? Maybe I missed key stuff, but I don't really have much time for a full analysis yet. I'm stuck in traffic | ||
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Also, Im not following exactly how this benefits us? | ||
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Analysis on Jackal58 The Check Alright initially I was just going to give an analysis and link reasons as to why Jackal was Cell Leader, but the evidence is so damning, that I figured it would be pointless to hide my identity as I become an obvious target once Jackal pops. I am an INTELLIGENCE ANALYST. I checked Jackal last night and recieved this: Results of the investigation on Jackal58: Insufficient Information for Analysis I was already suspicious of Jackal with his potential breadcrumbing I had picked up, but I wanted to see if I could get away with just putting analysis on jackal claiming him to be Cell Leader, so that if mafia targetted me, people could pick up on that connection. BREADCRUMBS OF BREADCRUMBS! I call them Nano-Crumbs! Genius! Well, I went through Jackal's evidence, and I found it very strong. Why not off Jackal now and destroy anything communication mafia could have from here on out? I can't really assume medic protection like in XXXVIII, because more likely then not we don't have them. If we do, I'll get to that. I am 100% going to be hit tomorrow if this is as spot-on as I think. The Crumbs On April 25 2011 21:38 Jackal58 wrote: I was thinking about this on my way to work Ace. (Hour + drive and I spend it thinking about Mafia. I need help.) In this setup would it not be even more beneficial for scum to lurk? Why I ask is it would seem to me that if what Wiggles said is true "scum can kill scum" and we can lynch them when they slip up what incentive do they have to post at all other than to avoid a mod kill? If they try to appear town their scum buddies can kill them. If they try to hide and skate we'll lynch them. I understand that scum still know they're scum but I believe this setup will drastically alter their behavior. As in making it almost non existent. So to that end I would like iGrok to verify Wiggles statement of scum being able to kill scum. I'm not getting that from the OP. And if that is the way it works I'm thinking we should just lynch the least active player each day. Maybe I'm thinking to much into this. Can scum hit scum at night? Here is the first item of interest. Jackal mentions an hour long drive. Initially did not make note of it, as I do this all the time driving. But Jackal mentions it of course. A crumb like this could utilize very phew words. Car or CarTrip. He could potentially be confused with tnkted, the busdriver, so I don't think he could get away with just saying car, or something short. On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote: Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes. So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons. The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy. The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks". So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1. Chancing another one are we jackal? Another mention about his car ride. Oh what a lovely breadcrumb. On April 28 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote: It took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. My ride home last night was brutal. It was back to the norm tonight. Just long. In reference to me pointing it out. I suppose you could skip this, but I think jackal wants to get it noticed! That's really all I have, but I think that's all I really need. So my dt check and these. Thats two down one to go. The Cell I don't really feel I need to make a huge in-depth analysis on his behavior, since it will not be strongest point, even if I was 10x the analyzer. To summarize what I make of jackal's posts, I will only to briefly skim them, even if he has a lot. The first thing I notice is his obsession with Cell Leader. Everytime someone mentions it, he is sure to comment. Not that it is a bad thing, but it is easily his most discussed topic. There is plenty for him to discuss, but for the entire first few days it has to be about breadcrumbs. So you can imagine how he thrived when Ace brought up the lists. I will spoiler everything I find relevant below here. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 18:55 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote: Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later): DSBETNLBNTF Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important: 1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells. 2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/ Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2. Your breadcrumbing thing almost got me killed in XXXVII. A. Because you worded your question weirdly B. Because I'm not that bright. Please don't get me killed. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how. I kinda understand what you are saying but how can we identify a breadcrumb if we only see half of it? Maybe if somebody keeps using the same word or phrase repeatedly but even then it would be hard to pick out. If you have a suggestion for how we might be able to spot these please feel free to share. I have trouble spotting breadcrumbs when I know what I'm supposed to be looking for. On April 25 2011 22:04 Jackal58 wrote: So we would know what to look for. I hadn't considered what the cell leader may or may not be capable of thinking of. On April 26 2011 00:53 Jackal58 wrote: First thought that crossed my mind is he's the cell leader looking for us to do his breadcrumbing for him. But I'm willing to play along to see where he was going. On April 26 2011 00:32 Jackal58 wrote: I think I disagree with that. I think scum are doing a huge wtf do I do atm. It will be the end of day two at the earliest before they would all know who the GF is. That's assuming 4 sleepers. What do they do in the meantime? Would seem to me they'd have to pretty much hide. With possibly 1/3 of the players having a scum role they run a one in three chance of killing one of their team mates. I think it is most likely that we will see a players activity level increase a bit after he has been contacted by his Leader but even then he most likely will only know 1 member. I think I'm liking towns chances in this the more I think about it. On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote: Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. Yay for Jackal's obsession! On April 26 2011 06:22 Jackal58 wrote: I think if you are scum in this set up you are forced into hiding until you know who is on your team. I am town. I have nothing to hide from town. My biggest let down would be to become a mislynch for town. Lynches are the only means we have to win. Scum will target pro town at night. I have no control over that. If I get shot that just means scum thought I was doing a good job. Scum can't afford to post much. If they attempt to appear too much like town they run the risk of being killed by their own teammates at night. They do not yet possess the knowledge to bandwagon lynches so they are on their own in that respect. Not to mention running the risk of lynching their own. Or slipping up and getting lynched themselves. I really think activity levels will tell a story when this game is over. Just my opinion. Another thing to note is Jackal and Ace's relationship this game. Ace put jackal on his list, but jackal did not do the same. I'd assume Ace would be very selective with his list, but Jackal seems slightly out of place. I believe Ace has already identified jackal as the Cell Leader, and he hasn't said anything because Ace is a Sleeper! On April 25 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote: My 3 would be tnkted Tackster GMarshall My messages to all 3 would be from shared game experiences tnkted would be a simple one My beloved. He would know exactly who sent it. Tackster would be just as easy. You're easiest. He also would know who it was from. GMarshall would be a bit more difficult but it would refer to LSB's Clues and Puzzles game where we were both scum together and LSBs first clus was basically Jackal is scum. I'd have to think about how I wrote it but it would allude to that. All of these are fun and all but basically what I'm seeing from all of these is the CL can reveal himself to cell members one at a time. Does nothing for each cell member to id each other. For that to happen something has to be left in the thread. GM died and tackster was modkilled, so I'm fairly certain tnkted is not an agent. Jackal is very opposed to him and consistently berates him for his breadcrumbs, possibly trying to set tnk as the cell leader instead. In fact he makes a tnk analysis! Wooo thanks for making this easy jackal! On April 26 2011 23:37 Jackal58 wrote: We have about 12 hours remaining until day is up. So it's time we begin to decide who is going to be our first lynch. I really hate day 1 in these games. I pretty much suck at the beginning of these. That said though I do think tnkted has made a few posts that need to be clarified by him. Let's start with this one. So if it's in towns best interest to drop it why did you bring it up? The subject did not arise due to a slip in conversation or an argument. You flat out stated you had a strange role: And then continued again: And he also tries to assure GM that the cell leader can't possibly have gone out yet. But for all we know he may have laid out the first part of his breadcrumbing to his team mates in pregame posts. He doesn't want to discuss it yet it was an intentional slip/slide/red herring/breadcrumb or whatever you want to call it. Now this post: Everybody disregard my bread crumb? Don't look for breadcrumbs? Don't look for scumtells? I didn't sign up for basket weaving tnkted. Wtf should we do? And lastly Seems to know how the CL is going to operate. Then tells us to ignore any DT checks we may get. I am not the greatest analyzer in this game. Far from it. It is also day one so the body of work we all have to go on is minimal. However these posts from tnkted all seem to carry the same anti-town feel to them. If I'm way off the mark please show me. Until then my vote is going on tnkted. Sorry twinkles. Things I gather: 1) Jackal knows tnk is a power roled blue. 2) Jackal is definitely trying to set tnkted as a lynch target 3) If Jackal succeeds, is eliminates a blue and gets a mislynch. Yay for jackal! That's about what I got. Also, here is some funny stuff. Just sayin if this is right, then I called it first. On April 26 2011 08:01 Jackal58 wrote: Happy birthday Mr. Wiggles. On April 26 2011 08:06 Ace wrote: Happy Birthday Wiggles. Impervious can you list your 3 players? And Ace posts right after. Ace defintely knows Jackal is CL lololololol, and I think ace was trying to identify if jackal was pointing wiggles out as another agent. That would be hilarious. (Tackster said happy birthday too! But he doesn't count lololol) On April 29 2011 09:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: No, it was my birthday a couple days ago, and I got a mech keyboard, and blue switches are really fun to type on. Oh happy birthday wiggles! Im sure jackal wished you happy birthday in that message he sent you as well. So like, does mafia want to concede now, or do they want to make this enjoyable for me? | ||
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On April 29 2011 10:07 Ace wrote: Even so there is no way for us to verify he got a message from the CL. Even if he did and was guessing about you or myself we don't have many posts of his to look at. I still think bumatlarge is our lynch for today. Cha-ching! | ||
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On April 29 2011 11:06 VarpuliS wrote: I'm tending to agree with Ace here. Zorkmid was even more aggressive and spammy than last time I played with him, and the ragequit while under pressure is really strange. I just don't get why a townie would do something like that. I'm sorry, Batman. ##Vote: bumatlarge Nah it's cool bro. While getting lynched would be really whack of town, it would cater to my selfish desires. Plus I'll be busy over the weekend, so I'm kinda planning on dying now. Kinda glad zorky gave me that role. | ||
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On April 29 2011 11:13 Ace wrote: bum that is some of the dumbest logic I've ever seen. You are REALLY trying to warp the fabric of reality there. Either way I'm calling bs on your claim: When the day started and why claimed I was scum you sided with him and voted for me as a lynch candidate. Not once did you mention anything about Jackal. When I refuted his post against me all of a sudden you come out with a claim that Jackal is scum - even though your investigation turns up insufficient. Like I said before this would be well and good because you have to take a chance but the fact that you voted for me when the day started kind of kills this proof. If you knew Jackal was scum why would you vote for me? Playing dumb was hard man, give me some credit>>> Already deduced you were scum bro, hopefully I could have saved some blue face and helped why get you lynched, but he subbed out. If I could get another check off on wiggles or someone while not sticking my dick out for mafia to chop off, why not take it? I like how you call my logic dumb and then reference nothing. You don't think I know that game fool? I'd be impressed if you take the lynch off of jackalz and put it on to me, because "DT should always be lynched first" in this situation, right Ace? But even then, I could probably be the Cell Leader trying to buy some more days for sleepers to get more acquainted, (couldn't be agent, cuz jackal could easily be an agent or the real CL as well) so I would be totally cool with myself getting lynched, because it would be GG once I pop. In fact, I would totally do this as CL, expect I would leave out the part where I would get lynched first. WIFOM you say? I take Wifom, and I treat it to a nice dinner, then I take that WIFOM home and I make it my bitch. I don't call back. Maybe I should vote for myself? So that you don't get credit for doing this again lololol... But seriously jackal should get lynched. Town can make that easy decision without Ace calling it retarded. | ||
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Ace sees bum claim blue, already suspicious of both bum and jackal, he makes the logical assumption that it would be best to lynch jackal first, since lylo is not here, nor will it be until a day after both jackal and bum are dead. If jackal is CL, yay go town. If bum is lying, lynch him the day after. Ace sees bum claim blue, knows jackal is CL, oh fuck bum needs to die before jackal so we can leave town while buying mafia a free hit from lynching bum and giving our CL another day. Now it would be one thing if you considered both options as green, and leaned towards lynching me, as jackal as CL would give you a bad image, but it would be a decent trade. On April 29 2011 11:13 Ace wrote: bum that is some of the dumbest logic I've ever seen. You are REALLY trying to warp the fabric of reality there. Either way I'm calling bs on your claim: When the day started and why claimed I was scum you sided with him and voted for me as a lynch candidate. Not once did you mention anything about Jackal. When I refuted his post against me all of a sudden you come out with a claim that Jackal is scum - even though your investigation turns up insufficient. Like I said before this would be well and good because you have to take a chance but the fact that you voted for me when the day started kind of kills this proof. If you knew Jackal was scum why would you vote for me? You instantly -let me repeat that- INSTANTLY assume I am lying. There is no consideration there. I know you as town would entertain the notion that I am blue for a bit, even if you made sure that your opinion of me lying was made known in your first post. But you know jackal is CL, so that is not your thought process. Have some other scum post now, I'm on a roll. | ||
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On April 29 2011 11:31 Impervious wrote: Statistically, it's a far better choice to lynch anyone who got "insufficient analysis" than to try to check them again. I say we go for it. Right now. Maybe get Ace tomorrow? Although, bum, I don't like how you're already revealing yourself..... I don't think you were in any danger yet, so it seems unnecessary at this point. If I had posted the exact same thing without the claim, do you think that I would not die tomorrow if jackal popped CL? | ||
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You think I'm gonna pull my hair-out in the thread trying to point to jackal without revealing why I know? As soon as he pops I'm dead, to reason to WIFOM that. And I said the relationship was possible in my analysis. You've confirmed it now. Don't make yourself the target here when you are obviously not. Jackal has taken the proper response, I feel. As CL, he had a choice to help bash my claim with you or say he has to be lynched in hopes for sympathy. I think Jackal as town would take the sympathy course as well, because ultimately if we mislynch him and mafia doesn't hit me, I get a free check, get lynched, and leave town with something. This is all if I am dead wrong about jackal, we hit a 25% hiccup and town does what I say. I find this all highly unlikely, and it leaves us with a confirmed town or confirmed scum (unless I were to hit that 25% again). If jackal agrees to this, then I'll feel really bad for lynching him! But I'm willing to take that blow, FOR THE TOWN. | ||
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On April 29 2011 13:35 GGQ wrote: Also, something I forgot to mention before. You seem to think that lynching the cell leader will remove the scum's ability to communicate, but scum gets a new cell leader chosen, so... yeah. Fuck. Still, lynching me doesn't matter. That's an alternative. Ace is just making either another one of his failed assessments, just like pyr in penalty, or he's scum trying to make this seem like one of his failed assessments. Jackal popping now or tomorrow would let me know which. If I don't get lynched today I can get another check off if scum doesn't kill me, which I don't see why they wouldn't. It's up to the rest of the town, I've done my bit. I'll respond to wiggles in a moment. | ||
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On April 29 2011 13:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Bum, your logic is bad. Firstly, you call Jackal the Cell Leader without even considering the possibility that there's a 25% chance that he would show up as "Insufficient" if he were anything else. I didn't take it into consideration, because I believe I found his breadcrumbs, and a decent composition of jackal's general behavior. Right away you assume that he is the Cell Leader, and decide to make a bad claim rather than just push an analysis. Because I've based it on the insufficient and the breadcrumbs. He isn't anything else. He's CL. Let me explain why I think it's a bad claim and that you might be lying. Let's imagine you are a DT, and you checked Jackal, and got an "insufficient for analysis". You would then decide to build a case against him so that you can try to get him lynched. If you don't claim: -You make a case, if it's strong, you get him lynched. -If he flips red, you might survive the night if scum hit someone else instead cause they just think you're a green who analyzed -If he flips town, you were wrong and it was RNG. People will be suspicious of you, but you'll most likely survive the night If you claim: -You make a case with a claim, Jackal gets lynched -If he flips red, you die, scum know who you are -If he flips town, you die, scum know who you are It does not make sense to claim here. By claiming, you assure scum will hit you 100% rather than having any chance to live by not claiming. You also received an insufficient for analysis, not a Red return, so that even makes a claim weaker, because there's a chance you got the return on a town anyways, it's not a sure thing. I'm sold on Jackal being the CL. I don't really have a doubt in my mind that he couldn't be. I've found everything I was looking for with his posts, a scum who knows who the other scum are, and is trying to clue them in. I claimed because it's easier then pushing town onto your analysis. I know its sounds lazy, but I got a blue role, and im not gonna take the 1% chance scum doesnt hit me and get another check. This way I skimp on really pointing out exactly how scummy jackal is, when I can just add in "Oh aside from the analysis I did, there is a 75% chance he's CL and 25% he aint, not taking analysis into account." Sorry, I'm busy, gonna take the easy road So, I think you're claim can be fake for two reasons. 1. You don't mention the probability of it being wrong, so that makes me think that you just forgot about it. A real DT would keep in mind that there's RNG for everyone, and that doesn't just happen for the GF. By forgetting to even mention that until later when someone else brings it up, it makes me believe that you forgot about it in the first place, i.e. you might not be a DT. If I'm wrong, which I really feel I am not, Scum will not hit me, I will give you a confirmed town or confirmed scum if you lynch me. 7% of that happening? Well that is higher then how I feel on jackal so according to you it will happen. So I'm not taking it into account. I've added too many factors that conclude it is right, and I have a back-up on the less then 1% I am wrong. That's how I feel, so yes I guess I would forget about that. 2. The claim makes no sense. You say you claimed because you would have died anyways. That only makes sense again, if you think that the ONLY person who brings back "insufficient" is GF and not anyone else. If you were DT, and Jackal flips green, scum wouldn't hit you. If he flipped red, then you're not as likely to live, but they might let you if they're trying to snipe blues or something. Claiming makes it a 100% chance that you would die. Less then 1%. Thats how I feel. Doesn't matter what other people think, it was my assessment to make, and my claim to make. He is not a sleeper agent. He is Cell Leader. If he is sleeper agent, I would suggest town treat it no different then as if he popped town. Now, all your "breadcrumb" things are terrible and a null-tell. It makes no sense for scum to try to breadcrumb into the thread unless it's to direct other scum and communicate plans. Crumbing in the thread to identify yourself in PM is just stupid. So you're saying that Jackal bread crumbed about driving, and my birthday, instead of just saying, "I'm OPEC, clues and puzzles", "Steelers, profile", "Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, wiki", which would be easily recognizable as being him? Then the thing about my birthday isn't a tell either. It's normal when it's someone's birthday, to say, "Happy Birthday". As well, you missed Vain wishing me one later, so was that him just picking up on the crumb later? You're looking too far into that, unless you think Vain, Ace, and Jackal are all scum breadcrumbing, and tack was just an innocent bystander. CarTrip, is much shorter, where he could add in "hpyBday" Then it allows for more letters, and I think he's successfully shed some light for scum. I'm treating the happy birthday thing as a funny little sidenote. I thought you would just shrug it off, but I'll take note of your concern I connected ace and jackal from other things. You also say that you don't want to analyze Jackal, because: Right here, you say, "Jackal doesn't look like scum from his posting". You're relying on your supposed "DT information", to be the decider for his lynch. However, if you were a DT, you would look at your result and then go over his posts. If he didn't look scummy to you, you would decide that it was RNG. Just claiming, without strong analysis, with the chance that he's town, is just bad play. And where the fuck do I say he isn't scummy? I say the breadcrumbs+the insufficient are plenty to convince me. I don't really need to his behavior to convict him, but it worked out that way in the end once you read his posts. DID YOU READ THE ANALYSIS, I WENT OVER HIS POSTS. I skimmed then and said I got the gist of his Cell Leader posts, because if I read everything he posted on that and made a comment on each I would still be writing the analysis. NOT ME SORRY LOL. And its my supposed DT info and the crumbs! Without the crumbs then you're right its just a 75% guess and a happy birthday. (which it isnt READ IT AGAIN FFFF) Disregarding my analysis because I say my information (and crumbs) are stronger is obnoxiously scummy of you wiggles. I think you're smarter than that and would think things through if you were a DT. So, I think you're lying. You thought wrong sir. Thanks for making me take actual note of you. Would you have still responded the same way if I didn't include you? Someone aside from the magnificent three care to call me a blatant liar? Also, a tiny little smidge of a note, it's definitely not the end of the world for scum if they get the wrong assumption from a message. Hypothetically, if the HpyBDay was a crumb, and tackster was alive and wiggles/ace thought he was scum for some reason, that most likely will not effect the scheme of things. There are only a handful of situations involving tackser claiming or jackal contradicting himself. Both of which would be hilarious. | ||
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On April 29 2011 13:41 Ace wrote: If he's lying about being a DT the real DT might claim or outright oppose him. Once he's lynched his team would know who's the actual DT via posts in the thread and shoot him. With the "Vigi" dead and the "DT" dead the 2 listed Town power roles would be dead and we'd virtually be plain vanilla townies vs Scum with no other leads. Realize he's not trading himself. Remember his analysis wasn't that Jackal is scum - it's that he got no information from the check. This way if Jackal flips town he can always say well it was a mistake. bum isn't trading himself 1 for 1 here - he's setting up a position that has an out in case Jackal flips town or he gets lynched. He's made up a bunch of hypothetical links here. If he didn't start the day off attacking me I'd believe him. If you believe his claim is legit then answer this for me: Why would he accuse me, then Jackal? If he is really the detective wouldn't he just out Jackal instead of waiting half the day to start? No just no. If Im wrong on jackal, lynch me. "well bum ur town shouldnt lynch u if r" nope i got info then unless scum hit me. And no DT should claim, wtf. If there is another he keeps his mouth shut because he would cause unnecessary confusion in a straightforward situation. I GET TO CONFIRM FIRST OTHER DT. YOU SHOULD HAVE CLAIMED IF YOU WANTED TO CONFIRM FIRST. | ||
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If it's what town chooses, I'll take it. | ||
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Jackal Ace Wiggles That's what Im feelin' Wiggles, he blatantly commentated twice on how he spends time in his card rides thinking about mafia. He came back insufficient. HE SPENT THE WHOLE GAME OBSESSED WITH CL. That is not mere coincidence. He is the cell leader. Saying Car instead of "steelers profile" leaves enough space for jackal to add 17 other characters in. If jackal only revealed that he was scum, he would then HAVE to publicly coordinate the rest of the scum with happy birthdays until his next message. Clue them all in (I would have done it I think) and then it doesn't matter if you live or die, once scum know who each other are, cell leaders only have to send messages hinting at targets and such. The entire first day I read 20 pages of posts talking about how to catch breadcrumbs, and now mine are useless, when they are completely feasible. Then my behavior analysis, which any nin-kum-poop can see jackal's behavior, is pretty much undeniable that jackal talk non-stop about breadcrumbs and cell leaders. Just flat out say that what jackal did does not make him Cell leader so town can mark that down on you. And yeah, I think he was attempting to communicate with Ace somehow, or Ace was trying to communicate with him. And i meant "if scum doesnt hit me" blahblahblah free confirmed something. And isn't 25% x 25% around 7%? I may be talking out of my ass with that. And I become an obvious target. I want jackal lynched now so scum don't get a breather knowing the current CL (yes i made that up now when ggq pointed out it goes to another sleeper) and I kinda want to die. Sorry if that screws over your behavior analysis on me, but I have a busy internet-less weekend. I had ways of remaining active if I had a different role, but I got IA so this makes sense to me. Have no idea why you're making a huge deal over me claiming, unless your scum then your just grasping. That makes a lot more sense. And please connect me to batman. That makes this beautiful. Because if I get lynched and pop blue, varp is a nice solid lead to townie town. AND CHERRY PICKING BREADCRUMBS?! LOL WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? OH ILL SKIP THAT OBVIOUS CRANNY DONT WANT TO CHERRY PICK. No where do I say my analysis is weak. Blatant word twisting. I said my information+crumbs are stronger and I'll say it again. My analysis is obvious. I'm sorry if it's obvious but jackal made it that way. I can rip to shreds all of his posts relating to his role, but I really dont have time, and Im spending too much time churning out responses to scum. cherrypicked breadcrumbs food oh its all making sense now! I didnt think you were scum when i analyzed jackal. I entertained the humorous notion about the birthday. You exploding all over it, and gunning against this analysis that has nothing to do with you like it's your last defense DEFINITELY make you scum in my eyes. I don't think I remember you ever attacking something like this. I like it wiggles, but next time do it as town to throw us for a little loop. Jackal sent a "car message" wiggles and ace know it, so they know jackal is CL and they need to attack me because they think they can drag town into lylo. If anyone else has questions, I'll try to answer tomorrow. | ||
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