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Hi TL,
This is a little trick/unit-comp I recently discovered that can make thors actually cost-effective against blords. It is NOT micro-intensive and about as easy as magic box to execute.
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Essentially what you do is order a small group of blue flame hellions to follow your thors so broodlings get 2 shotted. Remember that hellions use an AOE HITSCAN weapon so they will never over kill broodlings. The main source of damage from blords come from broodlings, not broodlords. By insta-roasting the broodlings, you will reduce blord damage by almost 50% and your thors AI won't get screwed up trying to target the broodlings as they get roasted so quickly, of course it never hurts to target fire the blords. Best of all, this means you only need ONE set of mech upgrades. Thors out range blords, so blords will never be able to kite thors.
Tests:
5 Blords cost 1500/1250. 5Thors + 4 Hellions cost (1900/1000). IE Terran's composition costs 400 more minerals but 250 less gas, which IMO is more than a fair trade late game.
BEFORE any upgrades (Both Terran/Zerg). 0/0 mech upgrades versus 0/0/0, 0/0 zerg.
5Thors + 4 Hellions beats 5 Blords with 2 thors left over, with low HP.
Without the hellions, 3 Blords will survive.
However, late game zerg rarely gets air armor. So the typical late game scenario would look something like: 3/3 Thors against 3/0/3, 2/0 Zerg.
5Thors + 4 Hellions beats 5 Blords with 3-4 thors left over with more than half HP.
Without the Hellions, you will have 1 thor left with about 50 hp.
Late-game this trick will roflstomp blords. Not - saying that you won't need vikings, Vikings will ALWAYS help, but this "trick" will just give your thors more viability should you be caught off-guard.
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Excellent find, great tip
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I always liked that pros used hellions to kill the broodlings quickly, but using the move command sounds so simple, but ingenious.
Will try definetly. Thanks Griffith!
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This is good stuff to know. I've already been doing with this to deal mass speedlings, but I never thought it could work with Brood Lords as well. It does seem very upgrade dependent however, so gotta make sure you stay ahead.
My main problem with this is that Zerg will rarely attack with Brood Lords on their own. Brood Lord/Roach/Ling or Brood Lord/Muta/Ling make this much, much harder to pull off. It's good to know, but I'd rather just get the vikings and deal with the Brood Lords in a much more simplistic manner.
That being said, this could be useful in niche situations. Will keep it in mind.
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Sounds pretty interesting.
Replays, though?
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very interesting idea. maybe this is the solution to the dreaded bl into ultra tech switch that is killing so many terrans....
imho thors are better against ultras than tanks... you just need some tanks with your mech army to snipe infestors and to deal with mass mass roaches...
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Yo, umm do you just box the hellions and right click the Thors? Is there some kind of way to "Attack-follow" the thors?
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On March 27 2011 02:57 SecretA5DC wrote:
Yo, umm do you just box the hellions and right click the Thors? Is there some kind of way to "Attack-follow" the thors?
just rightclick the hellions on the thors, they will follow them and mimic all the orders you give the thors. if you a-move the thors then, the hellions will follow their respective thor using the "a-move-routine".
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wow did not know that. thanks
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On March 27 2011 03:07 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 02:57 SecretA5DC wrote:
Yo, umm do you just box the hellions and right click the Thors? Is there some kind of way to "Attack-follow" the thors? just rightclick the hellions on the thors, they will follow them and mimic all the orders you give the thors. if you a-move the thors then, the hellions will follow their respective thor using the "a-move-routine".
I'm pretty sure there are lots of people that didn't know that about the follow command...I know i didn't. Are you sure they mimic the exact orders?
I think in a beta game ages ago meh buddy deth was vs artosis, he had lots of hellions+thors and managed to kill a ton more brood lords than you'd think were possible. Pretty much exactly as this thread describes  nice thread
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Thought this was common knowledge, I do the same thing with stalkers and colossi... Works wonders.
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Would you have to use Griffith's™ 4 OC build to make this work? And Griffith's™ magic box to spread out the hellions so aoe damage becomes higher?
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On March 27 2011 04:12 Soulish wrote:
Would you have to use Griffith's™ 4 OC build to make this work? And Griffith's™ magic box to spread out the hellions so aoe damage becomes higher?
Obvious troll is failing.
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On March 27 2011 06:00 SecretA5DC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:12 Soulish wrote:
Would you have to use Griffith's™ 4 OC build to make this work? And Griffith's™ magic box to spread out the hellions so aoe damage becomes higher?
Obvious troll is failing.
lol true, but it does get rather obnoxious tying your name to everything you do thinking is revolutionary and new and game changing...
<3 go get 3700 dude.
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Hey I just saw 6 ~ 7 blords owning like 10 tanks and 3 thors in TSL nestea vs goody match
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On March 27 2011 04:12 Soulish wrote:
Would you have to use Griffith's™ 4 OC build to make this work? And Griffith's™ magic box to spread out the hellions so aoe damage becomes higher?
Griffith's™ hater should just be quiet and leave.
OT: I've been doing this sort of thing to minimize Broodlord damage for a long time, but I hadn't thought of just moving to the Thors. Good idea, I'll definitely be using this.
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On March 27 2011 06:00 SecretA5DC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:12 Soulish wrote:
Would you have to use Griffith's™ 4 OC build to make this work? And Griffith's™ magic box to spread out the hellions so aoe damage becomes higher?
Obvious troll is failing.
This is actually a fairly arrogant thing to do (or looks that way). Do you think Schrödinger was the one who presented his findings as the "Schrödinger equation"?
+ Show Spoiler +He probably didn't. I don't actually know. Nice trick.
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This, along with all of griffith's other posts/ideas, why isn't he highlighted yet?
Thanks a lot, yet another trick to use, as I'm constantly surprised by broods.
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I still think the Kashll mass viking strategy is a more effective counter.
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On March 27 2011 07:20 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 04:12 Soulish wrote:
Would you have to use Griffith's™ 4 OC build to make this work? And Griffith's™ magic box to spread out the hellions so aoe damage becomes higher?
Griffith's™ hater should just be quiet and leave. OT: I've been doing this sort of thing to minimize Broodlord damage for a long time, but I hadn't thought of just moving to the Thors. Good idea, I'll definitely be using this.
Don't you think it's a tad too much that he tries to tag his name onto everything he "discovers"?
Especially something as simple as telling one unit to follow another. You didn't see the guy who found out how to make viking flowers again try and slather his name all over it.
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