EPTOn March 29 2011 03:07 GMarshal wrote:
All these new people ^_^
(lynch em all!)
All these new people ^_^
(lynch em all!)
New people, I declare myself your leader. We shall rise up against the tyrannical GMarshal and put his head on a platter.
/in
TL Mafia XXXVIII
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kitaman27
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New people, I declare myself your leader. We shall rise up against the tyrannical GMarshal and put his head on a platter. /in | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: got my role  I'll meet you in scum irc in just a second! | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:38 Kavdragon wrote: EBWODP: And on that note, I leave this spam fest to those who want to join my FoS list. If the all feature is gone by day two, i will be very, very, unhappy. ^^Trying too hard to be pro-town night 0. | ||
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^^Opposes analysis. Scum. | ||
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On April 09 2011 11:06 LSB wrote: OMG kitaman27 what are you doing here with... that person!!! Are you cheating on me! </drama> I'm free from your slavery. You have no power here. | ||
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On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier. This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment. | ||
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On April 10 2011 03:53 Kavdragon wrote: On the note of assassins, from what I understand, they are playing an entirely different game than us. Their win condition does not interfere with ours, and the only effect they will have is the collateral damage they will incur when they miss. Do you think that we should hunt for them as well? The arguments that come to mind are that killing one will lower the KP during the night. On the other hand it distracts us from the only people that can beat us: the mafia. No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins. | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:29 Eiii wrote: I'm not even sure what benefits there are to having a 'leader' be mayor over an analysis, but I guess I'm not even 100% sure what being a strong leader in this game means. Seems to me that strong analysis is going to lead town much better than any dedicated leader will. Alignment should be the main focus. I would much rather have a mayor who I believe to be town, than a mayor who I believe to be good leader or analyzer. Obviously both would be preferable though. | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically: 1. the mayor is important! 2. the pardoner is also important 3. be careful who you vote for! 4. mafia may or may not run for mayor! 5. we should pressure inactive people! this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away DrH mimicking my post. Probably scum buddies. | ||
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Scum were wondering why they hadn't heard from him yet. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dt check kav n1 You guys agreed on a godfather already? Bravo. | ||
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I'm running for pardoner. Why? Well frankly, so I keep it out of the hands of everyone else. I know I'm town, so I see little reason not to run. In addition, it would cut the odds of the mafia learning the bodyguard identities in half and force them to campaign harder, rather than settling for second. My pardoning policy would be to let the lynch go as planned unless there is an undoubtedly obvious mafia bandwagon. It would not be surprising if I never chose to use the power at all. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it On April 01 2011 01:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: can i please not be mayor We have our first major contradiction here. Pre-game he does not want to be mayor. He recieves his role pm and decides to run. FOS DrH On April 10 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote: I am willing, unlike Kita, to make the difficult choices. If I feel an unjust lynch is being made and that the second highest person being voted on is actually mafia, I will make that call and I will pardon. It will be an informed decision and I will explain my actions in a satisfactory way but I will not sit around twiddling my fingers when I think a wrong is about to occur. At least as pardoner, I promise to read the rules. It doesn't matter if the second highest person is mafia. When a pardon is used, no one is lynched. Sounds like you don't want the pardoner role in my hands. We're you planning to run for the pardoner specifically before I announced my campaign or after you saw me running? | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet. I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:17 chaoser wrote: To clarify, he is both a decent leader and analyst. -__- | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:02 Protactinium wrote: However, in essence of "playing the game" the optimal (though still not very good) strategy would be to ally with the Mafia. Obviously, if I lose the election, theres no way I can help town without dying. The game is just hours in and he is already threatening town. | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him. What's to stop him from blackmailing town with the identities of the bodyguards once we decide the time has come? Or maybe the identity of the medic/dt? He certainly wouldn't go down without a fight, plus that's a lynch we should be using on scum, not black. On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green. Shooting scum does not further his win condition. If he shoots, its going to be because he thinks he is hitting an assassin. He brought up a good point earlier. If town wins, he loses. Why are you defending him so much? | ||
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On April 10 2011 18:25 urashimakt wrote: Nope, it was just a joke from complaining about your face spam before the game started. Had no actual intention to report a well-known member for doing something that's not against any rules anywhere. Sorry, I suppose it was a little far out there. This. Assassins that are playing to win are not going to be a threat. Protactinium can't ally with with the Mafia if he can't talk to them, and by BrownBear's ruling so far he can't do that via PM. Being an assassin is still going to be a waiting game, they'll just have a target they can't hit until very late into the game. The ability to pardon grants him no power to reach his own win condition. It's true that we can't force him to hold to his word about using his 2 hammers and 1 rolecheck in our favor, but there's very little reason for him not to. He only needs 1 hammer to win his game. More importantly, if he's ingratiated to play as town while he sits around for days doing nothing then we gain the analysis of a veteran. I think it's worth it. Suppose you are an assassin. What gives you the best chance to hit the other assassins: a) Give up two of your kp to town and hope your 1/40 shot hits the other assassins b) Use all three kp to try and hit assassins This should be pretty obvious. He has little incentive to help town once he actually is elected. As mayor, he will lynch and vote against assassin suspects. Town does not want this. As pardoner, he will never pardon. On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote: From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads. I'm still running too for pardoner. I think the role should be used for obvious bandwagons. Others are saying they will make the "tough" choice and save those who they have a feeling might be innocent. Instead, I will try to prevent innocents from receiving the most votes to by lynched in the first place. Seems like common sense. On April 10 2011 23:16 Jackal58 wrote: Protactinum as mayor pretty much guarantees scum don't get it. Any guarantee that scum doesn't hold those extra votes at end game is a win for town. No it doesn't. Protract could still be scum. For those who say that there is no way he would take that kind of risk, there are 8 scum. It could be a high risk, high reward kind of situation. Either way, as mayor he would not have the towns best intentions at mind, which is something you shouldn't be supporting. On April 10 2011 23:21 Jackal58 wrote: No voting thread yet??? Is Bum hosting this? The timing is all fucked up. ##VOTE: Protactinum for mayor And I don't know how you guys think you're voting for a pardoner. Pardoner is the first loser in the mayor race. Stop voting for a pardoner cause you aren't voting for anybody. That race doesn't exist. Second most votes gets pardoner. I assume town is competent enough to manage to work it out. Wouldn't it make more sense to give it to someone to wants the role, rather than someone who loses trying to be mayor? On April 10 2011 20:08 aidnai wrote: Kita is definitely overreacting against Protact. Good DT check right there. Could you elaborate? I think I've been pretty pro-town so far. On April 10 2011 20:26 aidnai wrote: BTW kavdragon is a stupid day one lynch. He's a damn good liar, but if anybody had bothered to to behavioural analysis it should have been obvious he was not town last game -_-. He'll be active and a fairly easy read in another day or two. Plus there's still like a dozen people that haven't even posted yet... This is a total flip in philosophy from pregame. Siblings sticking up for each other? I might have to keep an eye on you. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:28 urashimakt wrote: That goes for Pardoner, too, which I think is where Protact should get elected to. If he doesn't or can't hit/rolecheck who we want, we could assume he's scum. Best case scenario we lynch a godfather, worst case we lynch an assassin. I'm still pretty certain that's he's black, though. Even better, we don't elect him and he gets offed night one. That's 2 kp we don't have to worry about from Protact and another kp from the assassin that kills him. In addition, the assassin game will end much quicker. With four scum kp and 3 assassin kp thats 7 kp per night. Do we honestly want to shorten the game so much? The longer the game lasts, the better chance town has of winning. On April 11 2011 03:31 Coagulation wrote: what would be the incentive for an assassin to pardon ANYONE.. he would never do it. every flip is viable to him.every flip gives him a chance of killing assassin. why would he stop a flip you guys are fucking insane. Glad we agree! Votes on me as your anti-Protact candidate! ^_^ | ||
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