EPTGame 1: The Lost Temple
Nada defeats Reach
Game 2: River of Flame
Nada defeats Reach
Game 3: Blade Storm
Nada defeats Reach
Nada is a fucking monster -_-
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Waxangel
United States33389 Posts
Game 1: The Lost Temple Nada defeats Reach Game 2: River of Flame Nada defeats Reach Game 3: Blade Storm Nada defeats Reach Nada is a fucking monster -_- | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2922 Posts
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Senff
United States360 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Here's how Nada won game 3: same as above, except just a few less turrets and more rines.  Haven't we all seen this happen like HUNDREDS of times before? Isn't it about time people learned that winning with the same strat 9 times out of 10 may just mean that something's not completely balanced in the game? Fuck everything else: just power down the turrets to what they were pre-1.08 for crissakes. This isn't funny anymore.  | ||
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33389 Posts
First off, Nada never really "pushed", in the sense where you siege and unsiege, making lots of forward progress. Perhaps game 3 was like that at the start, but Reach took Nada's force down several times when he did that. It was the resource advantage that let Nada kill reach using tank mode that won the game. It was more of taking a large force as far as he could take it, and put it in siege mode the second he saw a dot in the minimap. Not exactly pushing in the sense! Reach was close to being able to fight Nada's push at several points in the game, it's just to Nada's credit that he was able harass reach's expanding while expanding himself. The series was one through Nada's abilities to have more money than protoss. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
My money's on Boxer using the same 'ol next week v Reach, but Boxer's an unorthodox player and likes to try different things. He did try it last year in SKY v Garimto (it didn't work that time, tho - but there's a story to it I don't plan on getting into atm...), so we'll just have to see. But in any case, I would disagree with the statement that Nada never made any forward progress. For example, Nada put the choke on Reach's natural in LT that way: by starting with mine/turret/siege from the middle of the map and slowly making his way forward to just outside of Reach's natural. OF COURSE it was the resource advantage that enabled Nada to win: because there was no way for Reach to break out from Nada's mine/turret/siege Maginot. And harrassing Nada's expos via shuttle drop was basically made unviable after the first ten minutes because turrets were plastered all over the map. Slightly different scenario and map, but basically the same strat again for both games 2 and 3 (tho Nada didn't need to make progress all the way to Reach's expos those games, just control the middle). Anyway, put up the links on this game and let people see for themselves. I'd really like to get a serious discussion on this going, not necessarily to prove me right (I believe I am), but to get a wide sample of opinions on this and hopefully arrive at at least a close approximation of the truth. | ||
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TeG-EviscEratoR
Romania101 Posts
Off-topic: Mensrea you once told me there is some english sign up on ongamenet web-site. Can you explain more or give a link ? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33389 Posts
 ?Ummm, from what I gather you're saying the STANDARD terran method of attacking is imbalanced, thus T v P is imbalanced ?Then I disagree even more. That's wrong in so many ways -_-;; I stand on the side of the people who think the game is balanced as it is though, this could make an interesting discussion. And if I didn't understand your first post, I'll have to say the way you wrote it is as fault alongside my eagerness to discredit you :O (Nada won by attack moving 3408989 mech after he had huge resource advantage) | ||
Liquid`Crystal
Canada398 Posts
reach imo is just way outclassed by nada's style of play. | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Relax. No need to get snarky. | ||
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
 . I would also be interested to hear what people like Nazgul think on the issue not many (if any) well known players have commented on the issue. Probably this is because it sounds bad for them to say the game is imbalanced or not as this seem like they are making excuses, I think gosu players will never comment about game balance (certainly not publicly). Anyways, I hope some changes are made with the next patch (ref. all the other times I've got into balance discussions). | ||
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