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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 17 2011 14:31 GMT
#41
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SiNiquity
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January 22 2011 02:26 GMT
#170
Every book burning enlightens the world.

I'm SiNiquity and I approve this message.
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 22 2011 16:23 GMT
#181
On January 23 2011 01:09 SouthRawrea wrote:
/out :/ Gonna be busy this week


So we're back down to 30 again. Not too terrible...
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 23 2011 02:48 GMT
#241
I think Kitaman may be right about the blood / alignment relationship. Note that both LSB and Node are bolded, indicative of their neutral alignments. Perhaps this liquid will come to play a role later - anyone who drinks it, upon death, will have their alignment revealed (the potion was never the direct cause of death). The problem here then is Node claimed the liquid was a monster. An alignment revealing potion doesn't seem so monstrous...
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 23 2011 02:48 GMT
#242
[also /confirm]
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 23 2011 18:09 GMT
#309
Huh. I was pretty sure Bodyguards were chosen by the Mayor, but I didn't realize they were chosen publicly.

Mayor
Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker.
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 23 2011 22:16 GMT
#338
Mayor Theory
I've been thinking, and honestly the mayor isn't that important. It serves 3 purposes:

  1. Guard a blue role from both death and roleblocks. Sexy as town, not at all beneficial for Mafia.
  2. Give town confirmation that they're on the right track on clue hunting (decrease in KP does the same thing), or give Mafia the ability to watch the number of blues/SKs.
  3. Verify role-claims late-game (and since Mafia/SKs will be the ones lying, rarely useful for Mafia).

At first I was concerned that the lack of [real] opposition to Kav might mean Mafia made an early push for mayor. I'm leaning more towards Mafia just not caring for the role - even as unofficial leader, clues are going to drive debate. So risking a mafia member potentially becoming a body guard just may not be worth it, and as far as I can tell it would be solely to deny the role to the town, as its uses for evil seem extremely limited. Thoughts?

Body Guard Theory:
While you are alive, the mayor cannot be killed or roleblocked. Mafia-aligned players chosen as bodyguards will not protect town-aligned mayors.

I still like choosing mayoral candidates as body guards. Mafia can't afford to gamble their players away as body guards - their KP is likely tied to their numbers, and with clues in the game it's only a matter of time before we find them. However, this only works if mayoral candidates make this their policy - the point is to deter Mafia from running to begin with.

Census Theory:
Every night, you have the ability to determine the number of any alignment (Town, Special Town, Mafia, or Serial Killer) or role in the game.


  • Town: There's little to be gained by ever checking the number of town, primarily because this gives Mafia the number of blues & SKs combined (so while they don't know exactly how many blues there are, it gives them a ball-park, and we won't be privy to this information).
  • Special Town: This is likely only useful late-game to verify role-claims, and even then it'd probably be better to check the role instead of blue alignment. Only case I can fathom this being useful is if there were an abnormally large number of blue role-claims of disparate roles.
  • Mafia: This is the most useful and should be used nearly every night, but especially the first night. Right now we're blind.
  • Serial Killers: Really only useful if we kill all Mafia. SKs are secondary because they absorb Mafia hits and may accidentally kill Mafia.
  • Blue Role: Not useful until late game to verify claims.
  • Red Role: Not useful until late game to verify claims of roleblock. Given that there are clues in this game, Grandfathers are not as strong as we are not as reliant on DTs for positive IDs. Grandfather checks are thus a waste.


Mod question: For the purposes of census, is the tally done before or after night actions take place?
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 24 2011 00:33 GMT
#356
On January 24 2011 09:11 BrownBear wrote:
Mod Question: Can the mayor be DT checked/medic protected/mason recruited?

Of course. DT check is a moot point tho - a mafia mayor will almost certainly be GF.
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 24 2011 00:59 GMT
#367
On January 24 2011 09:46 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 09:11 BrownBear wrote:
I also just noticed something else. The mayor's role:

You are the elected leader of the town. Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker. Role checks on you will return “Mayor”.

You have the power of Census. Every night, you have the ability to determine the number of any alignment or role in the game. For instance, you can check the number of mafia total, OR the number of godfathers, OR the number of roleblockers in the game. The valid alignments are Town (returns the number of vanilla townies), Special Town, Mafia, and Serial Killer. All roles listed here can be counted. For the purposes of census, bodyguards, the mayor, and godfathers count as their original alignments and roles.

Normally, the Mayor cant be targeted by DTs either, but it seems like that was purposefully left out.

Mod Question: Can the mayor be DT checked/medic protected/mason recruited?


The mayor can be DT checked, but it returns "Mayor" regardless of alignment. So there's not much point. The mayor can be medic protected and mason recruited.


Well that's an interesting twist. Now my interests are piqued - prior to this rule change I assumed the Mayor would almost certainly be GF if Mafia. This now gives Mafia the opportunity to effectively have [at least] two GFs. Boo
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 25 2011 01:45 GMT
#556
On January 25 2011 10:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I'm good with your case against ON Kav, and you just made me feel a lot better about voting for you. However several people have voted for both you and RoL now and failed to give a reason for those votes. I'd like everyone to justify their votes in the thread for later reference.

I voted for Kav because he seems like he's going to be a good, active mayor. Since he inadvertently started his campaign prior to the roles given out, the chances of him being mafia are as good as an RNG without any of the downsides.

I liked RoL's long post, but it was too long overdue and not enough to persuade me.
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 25 2011 01:55 GMT
#561
Also, in addition to what's already been posted regarding OriginalName:

Clue

Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat?


Profile

What do Tigers Dream of when they take their little tiger snooze?
Do they dream of mauling Zebras or Halle Berry in a Catwomen suit?

The black cat ~ Catwoman / Halle Berry connection was already drawn, but in addition there's the bats. Bats. Batman.
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SiNiquity
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United States734 Posts
January 25 2011 02:09 GMT
#563
Also, direct link to Amber[LighT]'s profile: Amber[LighT] (you have to use the url escape codes for the brackets, %5B and %5D).
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 26 2011 00:17 GMT
#656
Annd all caught up again. RNG mayor is as dumb as you can be, though part of the reason I like Kav is for that "RNG" aspect. Could've been a plant and when he rolled mafia he followed up with it. But statistically speaking the odds are as good as RNG without the downsides.

Stop with the body guard nonsense. All of the plans suck because no one knows who's red and who's green and who's blue. Suggesting that we pick "1 red / 1 green" or "1 vet / 1 mafia" etc. is just stupid. Suggesting that ~25% of the game volunteers to identify themselves is green is even dumber. It's up to Kav to pick people he believes to be green. Volunteering isn't any good because we're nearly guaranteed to get 1 Mafia that way if we restrict it to a very small # (2-4). If we take too many volunteers then it gives too much information to Mafia about who's willing to die (i.e. vets/greens) and allows for blue sniping.

As for the Census, I've already stated we need to be checking Mafia #'s every night. Here's why:
  • Deaths. Every night about 3-4 people are going to die (at most). There will be a lynch as well, so that's 4-5 players dead. If we alternate mafia days, on bad days we could have up to 10 people die in between mafia # checks. That tells us very little.
  • Mafia > SK. Mafia cannot kill SKs, so they may shoot them and waste a shot. SKs may accidentally kill Mafia. All in all, it's in the town's best interest to kill mafia before SKs. Now when we're clue hunting / analyzing behavior, will we know if it's a Mafia or an SK (or even a vig)? No. But when it comes to the census, we should use it to watch Mafia #'s. Because the SKs can only be killed by lynches. A Vigilante may hit a Mafia. An SK may hit a Mafia. Or we might lynch a mafia. Checking SK #'s means you are willing to bet that the last lynch (or one of the last 2 lynches, if alternating) was an SK. Statistically that's a terrible bet. Don't waste it.


Now, there are certain times that census is useful aside from checking mafia #'s. But nearly all these situations are late game (e.g. mafia #'s are low so use census to get a beat on SKs, or use a blue-count to verify that some of the 10 people claiming to be DTs are liars).
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 26 2011 00:24 GMT
#658
On January 26 2011 09:11 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 09:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ahem in terms of BGs I think the mayor should pick inactives. I'm dead serious because it forces a mafia choice whether to go for the mayor or an expereinced townie. The last thing we want are people like RoL or BB to be BGs because if the mafia take them out not only do they kill experienced players they also get a shot at the mayor. By picking inactives means the mafia can't have it both ways.

Also RNGing the mayor is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yes it is possible to influence the vote, you just have to predict which person it will land on. By making the RNG public the mafia will be able to push the number around as much as they like by decideing when to "RNG" in.

Yea this is a good idea. (not being sarcastic)

I nominate myself to the position of body guard cause im a useless townie

I... Don't even know what to say... Other than... TOO inactive.
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 26 2011 02:07 GMT
#680
Well guess we'll see what mafia has in mind... Go for one body guard. Mayor? Or ditched it all together..
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 26 2011 02:12 GMT
#686
On January 26 2011 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hi Barundar!

So mayor should be getting mafia numbers tonight, awesome.

And if he's smart, every night.
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#688
It would be nice, yes. Unfortunately we don't have the leisure. Given that serial killers can only be killed by lynches, we're better off keeping a beat on mafia. If we dwindle their numbers sufficiently then consider shifting the census target.

My $0.02
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 27 2011 13:48 GMT
#848
I took a hit last night. I'm posting this from my phone because I'm out of power due to the snow storm in the north east.

I was sad when I saw the pm because I thought I had ben recruited to pm land
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 28 2011 00:25 GMT
#886
On January 28 2011 09:09 darmousseh wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people who are not posting anything. Are people always this inactive?

I just got my power back and am getting my first look at the clues.
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
January 28 2011 01:33 GMT
#888
+ Show Spoiler [Meapak_Ziph] +
Some nights I thirst for real blood

Every city has its dark place, the area that no one in their right mind will go. Ours is the forest, the woods that loom in the center. Away from the campfire, away from the tents, away from the city. The thick, ancient trunks loom, the undisturbed bark hard as stone, the tangled roots cloying at uncareful limbs. No one knows what happens there, and certainly no one would venture there in the night.

But tonight, the forest stirs. Its solitude is intruded upon.

For real knives

The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make.

For real cries

And there in the clearing, in the moonlight, Meapak_Ziph runs at full speed, jumping over roots, snapping aside branches. And close behind him a black shape, only a blur in the darkness, gaining, about to grab, only a hand-length away...

And then the flash of steel from real guns

Meapak_Ziph falls with a grunt to the ground, his face contorts in surprise, horror, and pain, and then... silence. Everything is still but for the fountain of black blood sprouting from his body.

The shadow is gone. Meapak_Ziph dies alone.


Who died: Meapak_Ziph
Cause of death: Gun shots, though he fleeing the pursuit of what appears to be by another assailant. Also, was it really the gun shot, or just a coincidental juxtaposition of lyrics and story? I don't think so but a possibility.
Setting: The clearing of a secluded forest at night, moon visible and shining brightly
Notes: Had to look up cloy: To cause distaste or disgust by supplying with too much of something originally pleasant, especially something rich or sweet; surfeit.

+ Show Spoiler [TheAldo] +

In real life

And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on.

Really fills my mind

I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him.

How fitting.

You can’t hide

I could get used to this black blood.

Who died: TheAldo
Cause of death: Throat was slit by a knife
Setting: Forest
Notes: Contrasted heavily with Meapak, who was running through the forest rather loudly (jumping, snapping branches). He is "careful" and "disturbs nothing." Also deemed a coward for hiding and witnessing it, but doing nothing (perhaps suggesting he was a medic, i.e. he had the power to save him but didn't).

Thoughts:
Again with the knife slitting the throat, as in Night 0 and Day 1:
As the scientist’s struggle decreased, the intruder pulled a small, serrated switchblade from his pocket. He pressed it against Node’s throat and sawed.

I picked up the dropped switchblade, pressed it to the captains throat, and sawed.

However, as there were no clues in the Night 0 post, this may not be an actual clue.

Again with the use of lyrics interspersed throughout the story, though this appears to just be a theme of the game. So be careful with repeated words (i.e. in this case, "real/really") as this is typical of song lyrics in general.

Also, a parting thought.. MZ was running through a clearing, yet he's jumping over roots and snapping aside branches (i.e. not branches on the ground). This seems somewhat contradictory..
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