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[D]Terran version of "4gating your way to diamond"

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ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 13:58:17
November 24 2010 08:45 GMT
#1
As we all know you can 4 gate your way to diamond ( and probably 3 gate robo as well). But that is only for protoss. I was hoping that maybe there is a way to insert build order your way to diamond for terran, something similar to 4 gate that involves finishing the game in early game or mid game, but not late game.

I am currently a terran player who is about to start in the NA server (previously focused on SEA server, until someone told me that NA had better latency).

Anyway, what build orders can i do as a terran that is cheese, early agression, one big timing push or anything intended to end the game in early/mid game? And please describe the build order in specific details (e.g 10 depot, 12 rax etc) so that i can memorise and practice it.

Edit: i am diamond in SEA server which i reached through "straight up macro no gimmicks" play so enough with the "learn to play the game" comments please. And give me the specific details of the build order in the following format:

For example:
Build order X
10 supply
12 rax
13 gas

And even if i could get to diamond fast with straight up macro, the problem is i dont know any of those gimmicky plays. And watching pro tournaments has really made me feel like playing that way.
thesauceishot
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada333 Posts
November 24 2010 08:47 GMT
#2
3 rax marine/marauder 50 food push.
MindTricks
Profile Joined November 2010
16 Posts
November 24 2010 08:50 GMT
#3
3 rax
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
November 24 2010 08:51 GMT
#4
What these guys said. More specifically, 2 tech lab, 1 reactor stim push.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
November 24 2010 08:57 GMT
#5
how about learning to play the game?
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
November 24 2010 08:57 GMT
#6
Bunker at ramp -> cloaked banshees works with even less mechanics.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Arlequin
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada41 Posts
November 24 2010 08:58 GMT
#7
You can also ask a friend to play on your account to get you to diamond league while you're at it lol if its the only thing you want! Seriously play the game, practice your macro and understand the mechanics and you will get there in no time !
If you dont want to then just work on a 3 rax stim timing push and you will get a 50% win rate against all 3 matchup
Hf !

Have fun
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
November 24 2010 08:59 GMT
#8
Alternatively pull a Foxer and 2-rax SCV rush every game.

Pro: Works at the highest level, too.
Con: Takes actually micro.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
FirstQT
Profile Joined October 2010
United States115 Posts
November 24 2010 08:59 GMT
#9
On November 24 2010 17:57 Tianx wrote:
Bunker at ramp -> cloaked banshees works with even less mechanics.


any sort of 3-7 roach rush crushes this
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 24 2010 08:59 GMT
#10
I still lose to badly executed banshee rushes at 2400 diamond, bunker rus into banshee, same story, but the bio push is probably more, hmm, standard? idk what word to use, but yeah, bio ball with stim
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
DennyR
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany379 Posts
November 24 2010 09:03 GMT
#11
You should srsly learn to play the game from the bottom. No offence, but I really think poeple should get away from playing 4Gate and 3Rax.You learn nothing using those and when you reach diamond you still have to learn the game, because you will lose every game when you reach a certain point.
What are you going to do then? Quit playing?


So learn to macro, learn to expand, learn the basics of playing Starcraft and reach diamond with real skill.
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
November 24 2010 09:05 GMT
#12
On November 24 2010 18:03 DennyR wrote:
You should srsly learn to play the game from the bottom. No offence, but I really think poeple should get away from playing 4Gate and 3Rax.You learn nothing using those and when you reach diamond you still have to learn the game, because you will lose every game when you reach a certain point.
What are you going to do then? Quit playing?


So learn to macro, learn to expand, learn the basics of playing Starcraft and reach diamond with real skill.


Bollocks.

Korean players practice the same build over and over again, and they're pretty good, so why can't we?
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
November 24 2010 09:06 GMT
#13
On November 24 2010 17:59 FirstQT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 17:57 Tianx wrote:
Bunker at ramp -> cloaked banshees works with even less mechanics.


any sort of 3-7 roach rush crushes this

There are plenty of ways to neutralize cloaked banshees, but roach rush isn't one of them. If you pull SCVs to repair you can hold anything but all-in banelings off one rax fine. Alternatively toss down another bunker if you scout it/don't see a natural hatchery but that may be getting to be too close to actual good, adaptive play for the scope of this thread.

Plus it's not like we're looking for actually 'good' builds here. Plenty of builds murder 4-gate, but that doesn't stop it from being an easy way to cheese your way into diamond.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 09:18:34
November 24 2010 09:16 GMT
#14
On November 24 2010 17:59 FirstQT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 17:57 Tianx wrote:
Bunker at ramp -> cloaked banshees works with even less mechanics.


any sort of 3-7 roach rush crushes this

Roach rush loses to cloaked banshees.

Try a thor/marine/scv repair rush. You can do it without scouting off 1-base. Against protoss where you suspect DTs, you may have to save a couple of scans. That will possibly take you into diamond.
OoOo
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany126 Posts
November 24 2010 09:27 GMT
#15
On November 24 2010 18:05 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 18:03 DennyR wrote:
You should srsly learn to play the game from the bottom. No offence, but I really think poeple should get away from playing 4Gate and 3Rax.You learn nothing using those and when you reach diamond you still have to learn the game, because you will lose every game when you reach a certain point.
What are you going to do then? Quit playing?


So learn to macro, learn to expand, learn the basics of playing Starcraft and reach diamond with real skill.


Bollocks.

Korean players practice the same build over and over again, and they're pretty good, so why can't we?


dubble bollocks

first of all:
just because koreans do it doent mean you have to do it.
seriously thats as stupid as saying player who do 4gate and 3rax are noobs
because if you do like a 4gate expand or a 3 rax expand your build is as lategameoriented as most other builds
quote day[9]:
starcraft isnt about what strategie you do, but about when you do them
more important that doing such a push is knowing a good next step
in most cases the best transitions out of a good one base push is an expo
so if you come to the pont when you start to lose with any 1 base all in (without expo) push
start doing an expo and you are find in mid/lategame
futility
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Japan134 Posts
November 24 2010 09:36 GMT
#16
There is no terran build as effective and easy to play as 4 gate. If all you care about is getting diamond why don't you just play protoss? The race lends itself very well to bad play as well so if something does go wrong it's much easier to deal with. Getting dropped? No problem, since your macro is terrible you'll have plenty of money to warp in units to deal with it exactly where they need to be. Forgot to macro while fighting? No problem, warp in reinforcements at a forward pylon. You can get away with playing really really badly and still make it seem like you know what you're doing.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 09:42:31
November 24 2010 09:41 GMT
#17
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bangkok_terrorist
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand22 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 09:43:46
November 24 2010 09:42 GMT
#18
is your macro bad? just drop mules.. and make planetary
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
November 24 2010 09:45 GMT
#19
On November 24 2010 18:36 cmp wrote:
There is no terran build as effective and easy to play as 4 gate. If all you care about is getting diamond why don't you just play protoss? The race lends itself very well to bad play as well so if something does go wrong it's much easier to deal with. Getting dropped? No problem, since your macro is terrible you'll have plenty of money to warp in units to deal with it exactly where they need to be. Forgot to macro while fighting? No problem, warp in reinforcements at a forward pylon. You can get away with playing really really badly and still make it seem like you know what you're doing.


What? 3 rax rauder stim rush ring a bell? The hardest thing here is making sure your army is in position to attack when stim finishes! Timing for beginners!
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
November 24 2010 09:47 GMT
#20
3 rax, 2 tech lab 1 reactor stim push should get you to atleast 2100 diamond.
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