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Hey guys. I know there are alot of threads about this topic but as you already noticed in the headline my problem is little different then the standart ones. So let me explain.
About 8 years ago i startet playing Street Fighter 3rd Strike (Beat´em Up) on a competetive level. I first was some kind of a star in the community because i was so young, new to the community and beeing able to handle the top players far better then others who were already in the community for years.
A little more then 1 year later i was already the best player in Germany and 2 years later top 5 in europe. I was kind of unbeatable in Germany and just losed about 1 or 2 games out of more then 50. Had won upcomings tournaments in Germany with ease, got mad probs from the best players of France and GB and placed 4th in the European Qualification for SuperBattleOpera (hardest tournament which was placed in Japan). So i was always kind of on the top.
Here it is were my problem starts. Because i was always on top and just losed less then 10% of my games i have problems to keep my motivation for SC2. Im not used to the fact that u WILL lose about 40% - 50% of your games in SC2. I keep trying to think about the fact that even the pros just have about 60% - 65% on average but that doesnt help me either. I tried to just play without thinking about lose or win which just worked for the moments i play. But the moment i would see my stats i cant find myself to be satisfied with less then about 70% win ratio (which is just not possible at higher levels).
And sorry for any grammer mistake.
Edit:
Sorry if it sounds like im narcissistic or bigheaded. Im NOT. I took this example just to get u to understand my point.
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lol
I have a similar problem, but I've never been any good at any other games
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Dont look at your stats? Or try not to?
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You gotta remember that the game is still so fresh. Imagine third strike after 3-4 months of release, do you think kuroda and daigo were winning 95% of their games then? no, because there was still so much to learn about the game. Same thing is happening with SC2 you can practise for months but there will be brand new strategies out there that will beat you simply because you've never faced something like that before.
My advice is give it time, once people figure things out a little bit, timings, strategies etc, you'll see the pros winning percentage go from 60-70 to 80-90.
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it is not true that you WILL lose about 50-40 percent of your games. Case in point is of course DeMuslim. MoonGlade in SEA and a few others.
If you are good enough ( too good for everyone else) then you can maintain 80 percent winning ratio. It is just that the game is new and there is always a surprise for everyone so it is very hard to do that now.
So yea, aim for 80 percent if that is what will satisify you.
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From what i've read/heard, to be really tip top competitive player at SCBW or SC2, it's not just about be really gifted (that might be enough for a Beat'em all), but it's really about understanding the game and trying things other do not expect.
Thus I don't think that until SC2 is totally figured out none can be as dominant as what you depict.
So i guess that if you don't learn to lose, you're going to be in deep trouble progression-wise.
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Nobody cares about your stats, people will care about you when you do well in tournaments.
What I get from your OP is that you are pretty new starcraft or to RTS in general.
You need to be humble and realize that there are currently people much better than you with years of sc experience. While the skillcap of streetfigher is high, the learning curve of starcraft is so much steeper.
Just focus to try and understand the game and don't pay much attention to your stats.. SC2 will try to force it to 50% anyway and it will probably stay there for a long time.
Later when you have become really good, and still care about ranking, remake your account to get a lot of easy wins for a head start while the ranking system is trying to figure you out. :p
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"My advice is give it time, once people figure things out a little bit, timings, strategies etc, you'll see the pros winning percentage go from 60-70 to 80-90."
This is completely untrue. Even the best pros back in BW had about a 75-80% win percentage for a small period of time. 80-90% is completely unheard of.
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@Intense
Hmm i guess u got a point there.
@Tjubatjubs
True and False. Im played WC3 before but that was during the time i played competetive 3rd Strike just to take a break from Beat´em Ups. But its true that im new to the "i want to play rts kind of serious"
Guess it´s just as severel mentioned that SC2 is to new to be dominated. Good point here guys, thanks.
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On November 09 2010 22:12 dtz wrote:
it is not true that you WILL lose about 50-40 percent of your games. Case in point is of course DeMuslim. MoonGlade in SEA and a few others.
If you are good enough ( too good for everyone else) then you can maintain 80 percent winning ratio. It is just that the game is new and there is always a surprise for everyone so it is very hard to do that now.
So yea, aim for 80 percent if that is what will satisify you.
look at the korea top 200 players. Mentioning 2 guys out of 300,000 players doesnt help your argument.
You will see the best players in the world with 60% or less W/L%, people who are only fighting other amazing players. Who does demuslim get to fight?
edit: I'd also like to say that its very easy to lose games in SC2, with individual units being so strong, macro being so easy,thats it's become a VERY build oriented game. All baddies have to do is learn 1-2 good builds and do only those builds and they can easily maintain a 50% ratio if they spend their money.
What its going to take is for people to develop SOLID builds that beat everything with good scouting, then you can 'outplay' them.
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Don't play for wins. Play to get better.
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It's actually quite simple: Instant-Surrender all placement matches, get placed in bronze, defeat everyone until you get promoted, surrender until you are back in bronze, defeat everyone, ...
Or just learn to live for the challenge. Everyone would love to have 90% wins, but it's mathmatically impossible.
You could only get that ratio if you had a big pool of noobs standing ready to get crushed by you... which wouldn't be fun for them at all, so they would quit, leaving you with only equally skilled players which gets you over time back to a 50% ratio (or less if you only trained against noobs because you didn't want to lose).
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I always used to have this with WC3.
What you have to realise is that at the end of the day, % means relatively nothing at this stage. Yeah it's fancy and impressive and you'll have nerds humping your leg. But it's so early on the the SC2 time line that everyone is still learning the game. What you need to focus on is just playing to learn.
It sounds cheesy but whether you win or lose in a game, if you get better from it, you've won in the long run. Getting scared enough not to play is far more destructive than losing a game.
Anyway just my 2p there.
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Play the game for fun as well as W/L ratio. Use your losses to learn from, and not just discard them as nothing. Even if you see only one little thing you can improve from your loss, its still better than nothing. And maybe next time you wont make that same mistake.
Use this, along with many other techniques, to keep yourself motivated to play. Don't just assume you should be good, actually make yourself good by learning and improving. I assume you did the same with your other games to get as good as you did, so be the same with this game.
Just remember that there are a LOT of people playing this game, and there is so many possibilities in the strategies of this game. You have to get the mindset that you are going to lose once in a while, and pretty regularly. Just don't let it get you down.
Games are designed to be fun and interesting, not a chore.
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yea this is a retarded reason, your not a pro at sc2 so get a reality check and take the 30%, 50%, 80% or whatever lose ratio and play it out until you get good, either stick with the button bashers and never lose or try and learn the RTS concepts by getting off this high horse you've put yourself on.
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Just as a side note. The % win ratio is not to impress any random kids out there. I dont play for anyone but myself and so this goal is only for myself.
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It is simply because the game is new...
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i like you competitive spirit, but you have to realize that if you're win percentage is high, then that means you aren't being challenged enough, and as a result you won't improve as much as you would like. When you run into a truly skilled opponent with the same or even a much lower percentage, you'll get crushed and be even more unmotivated.
If you are truly just an above average human being when it comes to games, then you wouldn't be here making this thread right now. So you're just like the rest of us, so buckle down, and learn how to be humble. After that, laddering shouldn't make you afraid of anything, because a loss is worth more than a win when it comes to improving yourself.
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Playing a game on top level doesn't mean you have to be top level in another game. And especially if the other game is StarCraft (no offense to other games but that's the truth). If you've wondered around TL.net for a couple of months (after sc2 was released, if you are old timer like 5-6 years then you don't need any advice) you will know that SC is not any other game or any other RTS.
Repeat this many times to yourself before you play sc2.
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