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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 09 2010 22:34 Yaahh wrote: Just as a side note. The % win ratio is not to impress any random kids out there. I dont play for anyone but myself and so this goal is only for myself. It's a pretty dumb goal. How can you learn a game without losing to better players a lot? The ladder is not competitive play. Tournaments are. | ||
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ScoutWBF
Germany634 Posts
Just try your best, try to stay in contact with players and play private games to test strategies or just practice. btw. I'm also a German fighting game player since 2006  | ||
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Yaahh
Germany151 Posts
On November 09 2010 22:39 kojinshugi wrote: It's a pretty dumb goal. How can you learn a game without losing to better players a lot? The ladder is not competitive play. Tournaments are. Its true that i want to learn the game better but i didnt said that i want to be the best player in the world. These 70% were random numbers out of my had. I cant see how any personal goal of anyone can be dumb as long as it satisfies him/her. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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knL
Germany400 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 09 2010 22:49 Yaahh wrote: Its true that i want to learn the game better but i didnt said that i want to be the best player in the world. These 70% were random numbers out of my had. I cant see how any personal goal of anyone can be dumb as long as it satisfies him/her. Because it's inherently counterproductive. It's like saying your personal goal is to be a superb concert pianist who never ever hits the wrong note while playing. And then saying you're afraid to practice because you might hit a wrong note while doing so. Fighting game mechanics can be perfected in single player, and then talent can take you really far in competitive play. You can't perfect RTS mechanics in single player because you won't learn to properly manage your time against the AI. You have to play against people and improve. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
You really - want - to lose some games in SC2 because this is where you see your own potential. And you most probably will lose some games, unless you are The Emperor at the best of his tide where he had not anyone even close to winning against him. | ||
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Ghin
United States2391 Posts
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Neivler
Norway911 Posts
If you just give up because you loose, then you will never be that great again. | ||
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SaLaYa
United States363 Posts
Coming to SC2 I was a little rattled by how poor my W/L was in comparison. You have to realize (much like I did) that this game is a.) much less forgiving than other games in terms of mistakes and b.) the matchmaking is designed so you don't get to play against a wide range of players, you only play with people at your skill level. Moral of the story: Don't play for your W/L ratio to impress others. Some of the best players (Slush for example) have shit WL ratios but are completely dirty players. | ||
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Faze.
Canada285 Posts
In fighting games you learn combos and timing, like build orders and macro for sc2, and then you practice your reflexes, reaction time and how to read your opponent's moves, which in sc2 translates to micro, scouting and reaction time as well. But the difference shows in the results of all these aspects, reaction time due to read your opponent's move in a fighting game can result in a block or counter attack which can turn the table instantly because it is based on reflex alone, in sc2 you scout around, see something your opponent is doing and you have to react to this, as fast as possible of course but the strategies change depending on how well your opponent hides his tech (cant do that in a fighting game) and how well you manage to scout him (aspect that doesn't really exist in fighting games either since you always see your opponent). Basically what I'm trying to say is there are many more options and flexibility in a RTS to mess around with strategies and playstyle, people say little mistakes can cost the game, it's true but not as much as in fighting games, where if you get countered once you pretty much lost half your health. In SC2 if you mess up once you're not gonna lose half your base (unless it's a huge mistake but you see my point lol). The weight of mess ups VS forgiveness is balanced differently, SC2 gives more chances of coming back than it does in fighting games IMO. And just that is enough "smooth" W/L ratio especially over a long period of time. | ||
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
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Red.
Spain228 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Yaahh
Germany151 Posts
On November 09 2010 23:25 vicariouscheese wrote: top 5 in europe... did you ever get any sponsors to play in japan? then you might be used to a lower win rate Years ago when i played u just got sponsored by SBO itself. Now it looks different with capcom and companys like madcats sponsoring but im out of it. I was 13 when i startet so now im 21 for any who thought this is a 14 year old crying about his stats. Like i said its just for myself not to impress anyone. Also im not trying to archive the same in SC2 as i did in Street Fighter because its not possible for me. I just try to find a way to get over that thought that i have to do almost as good as i did back then in Street Fighter. | ||
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osten
Sweden316 Posts
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Jimmy Raynor
902 Posts
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
What you should do right now is to improve your game by watching pro replays (MLG is a good source as they release all their replays), adapting their strategies, and try to learn why they make good decisions. After that, apply what you've learned from these replays in-game, and become more subconscious of your decision making. Over time, your mechanics, game sense/awareness and decision making will improve as you play more games and learn from pro replays and your own replays when you lose. When you truly become a very good player (tournament standard) you'll finally find temporary satisfaction, before the eventual desire to win tournaments creeps in and you will become dissatisfied, like many other pro players are right now. If you want to be good and you can't do the above, Starcraft isn't really the game for you. Or you can be like many others and just enjoy the game and not become too competitive. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Victories are far more rewarding when they're hard earned. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
Also, ladder honestly doesn't mean anything. Once you improve enough and start playing tournaments, it's prestigious tournament records/winrates that actually count, not ladder. So I wouldn't really worry about it.. just grind out games until you become better and better, and eventually you'll be at the top and ladder will be meaningless anyway. | ||
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