Kingmaker - A New Game

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Coagulation

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November 08 2010 06:07 GMT

/in

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 09 2010 04:30 GMT

#74

so whos king?

oh and bite me pandain.

Coagulation

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November 09 2010 07:34 GMT

#82

And no, I do not agree with the King not revealing himself once chosen. We need to find out what the king is thinking. We have a different king each day, and the game setup does not have any day kills. So there is absolutely no disadvantage to the king being revealed to the towns, and it will only give the Assassins, with their ability to PM, an even better chance to plot behind their backs. Remember - there are -no- PMs for townies!

the only ones that really "need to find out what the king is thinking" are the assassins.

Coagulation

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November 09 2010 22:14 GMT

#120

SORRY

i have to admit i was gonna try and lay a little low because previose games a i posted alot and apparently was a fucking liability to the town.

now im just trying to pace myself and play it slow and you fuckers are talking about lynching me.
dont worry i will start posting a mile a minute now

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 09 2010 22:19 GMT

#122

the only ones that really "need to find out what the king is thinking" are the assassins.

when i said that i was implying that they have less majority then town does

Coagulation

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November 09 2010 22:23 GMT

#123

On November 10 2010 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why don't you just offer something of value instead

im not sure at this point i really have noticed anything out of the ordinary yet to contribute to the towns analysis.

i will say im town do not waste a lynch. i dont know how much thats worth on its own at this point but it definitely needs said.

Coagulation

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November 09 2010 22:35 GMT

#126

On November 10 2010 04:04 LSB wrote:
If coagulation doesn't do anything else besides the two posts that he has right now, I'm willing to support you.

Coagulation. If your town, please start giving input on the few ideas that have been presented. I want to hear your opinion on

1) Lynching inactives http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304&currentpage=2#30
generally from what i have seen so far lynching inactives only gets a town role killed.
i dont think lynching an inactive is the way to go in any mafia game and i have never ever used it as a reason. if your lynching inactives you might as well just lynch the most active.
2) Old plan, should the king be forced to follow the town's opinion? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304&currentpage=2#27
no the king needs to vote who he feels he personally needs to vote. this is the best aspect of the game that puts it in towns favor. a vote outside the influince of the scums grasp is.
3) New plan, do you agree? Disagree? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304&currentpage=6#101
I dont think the king should be forced to role claim. i think it only gives the scum extra information that they can use when there is absolutely no reason at all that town needs to know who the king is during a lynch debate.
In fact, it would be best if everyone made sure they have addressed, or will address these three issues

Coagulation

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November 09 2010 22:39 GMT

#127

ebwop made it easier to read and fixed typos
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On November 10 2010 04:04 LSB wrote:
If coagulation doesn't do anything else besides the two posts that he has right now, I'm willing to support you.

Coagulation. If your town, please start giving input on the few ideas that have been presented. I want to hear your opinion on

1) Lynching inactives http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304&currentpage=2#30
generally from what i have seen so far lynching inactives only gets a town role killed.
i dont think lynching an inactive is the way to go in any mafia game and i have never ever used it as a reason. if your lynching inactives you might as well just lynch the most active.
2) Old plan, should the king be forced to follow the town's opinion? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304&currentpage=2#27
no the king needs to vote who he feels he personally needs to vote. this is the best aspect of the game that puts it in towns favor. a vote outside the influince of the scums grasp
3) New plan, do you agree? Disagree? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304&currentpage=6#101
I dont think the king should be forced to role claim. i think it only gives the scum extra information that they can use when there is absolutely no reason at all that town needs to know who the king is during a lynch debate.
In fact, it would be best if everyone made sure they have addressed, or will address these three issues

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 09 2010 22:47 GMT

#131

if scum is king
then there is nothing we can do about making his decision help town anyway regardless.

we will see who he is after the lynch right?
at that point he would probably be in alot of trouble if he didnt use his head and play pro town.
its a double edged sword but i think the benefits outweigh the cons.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 09 2010 22:51 GMT

#133

again im pro town dont waste a lynch on me. also i will be more active now so you guys can all watch me carefully if thats the problem.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 09 2010 22:55 GMT

#136

On November 10 2010 07:50 LSB wrote:

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Basically your saying if the king lynches a green, he's probably scum and should be executed the day after?

nonono not at all.

theres a difference between lynching a green on accident that had scummy behaviors
and just lynching a green randomly who was clearly town roled

Coagulation

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November 10 2010 04:14 GMT

#140

On November 10 2010 09:15 LSB wrote:

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On November 10 2010 02:59 LSB wrote:

On November 09 2010 19:29 CubEdIn wrote:

On November 09 2010 18:56 Hesmyrr wrote:
WTF are you keep talking about. So if there is 5-3 split and king goes, "oh guy with 3 votes seem more suspicious imma hammer him" do you have any idea what chaos would ensure thereafter? At the point where king makes a decision where town opinion is not so decisive as your example, everything goes to shit whether the king turns out to be town or not. Like I said, if the king has valid excuse behind his push, then it should be enough to convince the majority into believing his case.

In fact please explain how "t should be pretty obvious if he goes with the general "stream of thought" that the town is going with, or if he just chooses to lynch someone who seems completely random to the town" somehow turns into support for the statement "I disagree that king should listen to town."

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying.

I'm sorry, but the king is a cool role. Why do we have to spoil it?
It's the player's chance.
IF there's a 5-4 vote split, (king's vote is on the 4) the king can lynch whoever he wants, no? That's fair, the imbalance is not that big.

If there's a 5-3 vote split (assuming one player died), then the king has one of those 3 votes. So in fact, it's just a 5-2 vote split (not counting king's vote), so the imbalance is fairly obvious. King has the option of going with the majority, or taking a huge risk and killing the "2-vote". If the 2-vote turns blue, then the king will have a lot to explain for, and it won't be an easy way out. Also, the other 2 voters will be in trouble.

So no, given the fact that there are only 9 players, I don't think there's any way for the king to explain un-town-like moves.
I fail to imagine a scenario where the king could justify a "gut feeling" blue kill, unless the votes are actually quite close (note the 5-4 split I was talking about earlier).

Remember, it is quiet easy to state a few reasons why someone is probably scum. In every single game, scum are accused, town are accused. Take this post in the Micro Game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161868&currentpage=8#145
Each are reasons why the king could have killed someone.

If we allow the king to go against majority, all that's going to happen is the assassins are going to be able to crowned, write up an analysis against a random player. Post the analysis and get the town to waste a lynch.

I don't buy the 'the king should have fun' argument. Remember, the problem is that the King is a very big danger and hold lots of power. Play to win, not to 'roleplay'

how about its 100% Circumstantial.
Each scenario that occurs and actions chosen will need to be dissected and analyzed and acted upon based on the situation at hand.

there is no 1 overall general strategy that we can adhere to and have a perfect resolution every time.

is this better?

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 10 2010 22:30 GMT

#144

i think we should use random lynch
random lynch would have a higher chance of hitting a red than lynching me im gonna tell you this right now im not a fucking red dont waste the lynch on me its just gonna slow town down.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 10 2010 23:21 GMT

#146

what happens if the kingmaker is killed?

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

November 11 2010 02:02 GMT

#150

what have i done this game to be a nuisance? i dont understand.. you guys asked me to answer some questions i did.

Coagulation

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