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Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
November 05 2010 15:16 GMT
#1
Masteries

0/16/14 ( Meditation gives you more flexibility to spam BB early game )
-SoS, Nimbleness, HP, Improved Cleanse, Improved Flash
0/21/9 ( Lets you get Tanky late game, but mana starved before Lvl 9 )
-Same as above, but Tenacity for Meditation and Improved Buffs
21/0/9 ( Pure DPS, if you have a team that can get stuff off you )
-Standard DPS Masteries

Runes

APen Marks
Flat HP / APen Quints
Mp5 Seals
MR Glyphs

Summoner Spells:

Take Cleanse. Just do it. No exceptions. Unless you're trolling.

The second spell is more flexible. I personally run Flash nowdays, but I've had success with anything and everything else.

Teleport / Ghost are good for pushing.
Heal gives free EHP in team fights.
Exhaust makes it harder for Melee DPS to shit on you.

Skills:

QEQW R>Q>W>E, unless you need E at Level 1 against certain champions.

Some Notes:
-Q Range is actually slightly longer than what the circle represents
-On hit effects don't apply on Ricochet, but APen (Flat and %) works

Itams:

Open Doran's Shield on hard lanes that can harass you well, Doran's Sword otherwise. Mercs or Zerks for Boots.

In General, you want as many BloodThirsters as you can stack, coupled with a LW to maximize Ricochet and BB damage. Get a Tank Item mid-game (Mog>Banshee>GA at the moment). IE/BR are also good DPS options. PD can replace Boots if you have the money in late game.

Playstyle:

Farm the first 20 minutes, no exceptions. Dragon is ok, but that's about it really. (Unless your team get a red somehow, then ganks with R is okish) Also feel free to farm neutrals if your jungle is ganking or sucking.

Click R in teamfights and attack move, honestly that's all you need to do. Q/E as needed.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 05 2010 15:21 GMT
#2
Also BB the Wraiths when your jungle's trying to kill them.

QQ
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-05 15:23:59
November 05 2010 15:23 GMT
#3
what are benchmark CS numbers at 10, 15, 20 minutes?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 05 2010 15:28 GMT
#4
300, 700, 1300
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 05 2010 15:32 GMT
#5
Or more realistically 90, 160, 250
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 05 2010 15:34 GMT
#6
No, Mogwai's right.

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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 05 2010 15:35 GMT
#7
What are the thoughts on maxing Ricochet before Boomerang Blade now that it scales with attack damage?
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 05 2010 16:05 GMT
#8
I thought 100 by 15 was considered pretty good T_T
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 05 2010 16:07 GMT
#9
On November 06 2010 01:05 azndsh wrote:
I thought 100 by 15 was considered pretty good T_T

With Sivir it's pretty bad though, especially if you get Teleport(lot of fun with Sivir)
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 05 2010 16:08 GMT
#10
On November 06 2010 01:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 01:05 azndsh wrote:
I thought 100 by 15 was considered pretty good T_T

With Sivir it's pretty bad though, especially if you get Teleport(lot of fun with Sivir)


That's true, Sivir usually has 100 cs by the time minions spawn ^^
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ProV1
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States980 Posts
November 05 2010 16:46 GMT
#11
Sivir ends up with 500+. Team ends up with 100+ at best. Thanks TP sivir.
Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
November 06 2010 00:40 GMT
#12
On November 06 2010 00:21 Southlight wrote:
Also BB the Wraiths when your jungle's trying to kill them.

QQ


QQQQQ i did it on ShitCombo and took his exp, and he blamed himself for dying at wolves 2funny



Shikyo's numbers are about right. I hit 160~ last game in 20 mins jungling Sivir.

@STS BB got a buff at every level, so I'm not sure what you're asking~

Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
November 06 2010 16:44 GMT
#13
I might be mistaken but the tooltip says that BB does magic damage even though it's affected by AD. Armor pen or LW won't help much for BB i think.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 06 2010 17:27 GMT
#14
On November 07 2010 01:44 Haemonculus wrote:
I might be mistaken but the tooltip says that BB does magic damage even though it's affected by AD. Armor pen or LW won't help much for BB i think.


correct, but it helps for ricochet
Brees on in
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
November 06 2010 17:45 GMT
#15
Ricochet - getting you kills somewhere somehow
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Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
November 07 2010 19:23 GMT
#16
I have to argue with the skill order. I'd go WQQE or EQQW because I never, ever spam rank 1 BB because, with its totally low base damage, it does shit damage/mana at level 1. Since I'm not gonna be casting it at all until level 3, no point in getting it at level 1. Unless I am against a good SS champ, I get ricochet at level 1.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 07 2010 19:39 GMT
#17
On November 08 2010 04:23 Pigsquirrel wrote:
I have to argue with the skill order. I'd go WQQE or EQQW because I never, ever spam rank 1 BB because, with its totally low base damage, it does shit damage/mana at level 1. Since I'm not gonna be casting it at all until level 3, no point in getting it at level 1. Unless I am against a good SS champ, I get ricochet at level 1.


in terms of a lvl 1 teamfight, bb is the most obvious option. ricochet isnt going to do shit, spellshield isnt going to do shit, meanwhile bb will enhance your lvl 1 dps the most. Ofc, dont level it at spawn, cus if a lvl 1 teamfight doesnt happen and you go to lane and realize you need shield, you're kinda in trouble, buuut, i'd say any situation where you're fighting against other champs @ lvl 1, you want bb
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
November 07 2010 22:43 GMT
#18
I found attack -> move a bit -> attack -> move a bit to be really effective way to use her passive.
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Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
November 08 2010 09:46 GMT
#19
I already listed EQQW. W first does nothing, either in lane or Lvl 1 fights. Lvl 1 BB is your only use in a Lvl 1 fight, and also lets you get some creeps you might have missed. You aren't supposed to spam BB anyways, unless you go something stupid like Manamune.

@R04R, that's true but don't overdo it since you will more than likely lost DPS from doing that. I usually only animation cancel that way when I know I'll come out ahead in a fight early on, so I can get a couple more hits in.
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 11:19:56
November 08 2010 11:17 GMT
#20
What are cooldowns like on sivir? Is it worth having faster BB's or is her attack + ricochet more than enough?
Quicker spell shield is nice too : [ ]

Also when should I be pushing with Sivir? Say it's solo or 1v2 top lane, do I want to keep the lane even or constantly be pushing and getting in hits on the tower?
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