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The insinutation that I have a "role" due to not being modkilled is illfounded, theres arguments for it obviously, but treating it as an assumption is flawed. | ||
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I don't really mind, it's making me feel special, but the logic underlying the assumption that I must be a blue or a red role due to what happened is flawed. | ||
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"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie" Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant. | ||
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Unless Brownbear used different formating for individual PM's, but I think this is unlikely. As of now I'm going to agree with voting for Bloody based on this. | ||
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and Amber I am not siding with Bill in any way, all I am saying is I consider him a Town player. That doesn't mean I am agreeing with his arguments, suspicions or general style of play, but from what he has typed he is fairly clearly a Green, town player. | ||
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To briefly outline a few things however. I believe Bill to be 100% Green Town I am suspicious of the assertion that both Brown and Artanis sent out role PM's, my inclination is to think only Brown did My vote on Bloody was initially a more sincere one, now it is a placeholder whilst I evaluate, if it makes any of you feel more comfortable I'll change it to myself Divinek likes to say fuck | ||
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I know this will sound a little hmm arrogant or presumptuous maybe, but for the sake of clarity: if anyone has any specific questions about my play, conduct, arguments or actions that they would like me to directly answer then please state them clearly and I will do so . I'm the most likely to be lynched atm, so plz humor me xD | ||
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On October 08 2010 07:05 LSB wrote: (I didn't read much of the spammy part, so please excuse me if you already awnsered/addressed this) I'm just wondering. Why did you keep on posting about PMs, when BB went out and told people to stop doing that? I have come to some conclusions based upon the talk that has surrounded the whole PM debacle. When I mention or refer to them I do not mention anything that has not already been publically stated in this thread for everyone to see. | ||
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On October 08 2010 12:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This post saying “I wont defend myself unless you ask me directly now” is a clever way of dodging all the previous comments and concerns. This is the type of idiocy that I was trying to fight against by making that post. I am and was at the time of writing it fed up with the amount of vague assertions being spewed about by people attempting to paint me as red. They are fairly hard to respond to because, as Ghur has rather expertly illustrated in his post, it just runs as a collection of opinion. "XeliN jumps out to defend Bill Murray" "Randomly tries to get Bloody lynched with poor or no reasoning" etc. These are simply claims, so what do I do to try to stop dumb people making these claims, or at least stop them from simply stating them asif they are established fact? I offer to answer any query or suspicion people have about my play if they only have the courtesy to ask me directly so I can clearly explain my position. So far hardly anyone has done so, bloody even has the audacity to state I am dodging, in spite of the fact every single thing he wrote could have easily been posed as a question to me instead of him trying to influence the opinion of others yet not actually caring for a response. And also the word is definitely "Town". | ||
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The only way I would come out openly about being 100% assured that Bill is a Green Town player is if I was also a Green Town player and could see right off the bat what he was attempting to achieve in his PM shenanigans. | ||
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Now the extent to which I have "supported bill" is that I, from an early stage, claimed him to be 100% Green Town in my eyes. I agree the PM shenanigans should be dropped but in order to actually explain my position on why I think Bill is clearly town I need to mention the PM stuff that went on. Otherwise It's going to be quite difficult to respond to people who state something like "Came out and supported bill with no evidence or reasoning...." The entire "evidence" and reasoning is, as I have already mentioned, because I could immediately see what Bill was trying to achieve in his PM talk. The PM stuff is inextricably linked with that. If people will stop using my "support" of bill as an argument for my lynch then I will stop making reference to things that happened earlier in the thread. | ||
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On October 08 2010 17:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: how do they have any merit when you couldn't possibly trap anyone with them considering both terms were used in role PM's? Well for example some, such as I, will be able to form an opinion of Bill alignment. Also earlier in the thread when put under pressure by Bill some people seem people seemed very reluctant and almost dodging the issue when asked. Such a reaction would certainly be consistent with a mafia player being put under pressure to pretend to be a role they are not but try not to get caught in a lie. it's mainly useful for determining towns people as the reaction given by some makes it quite likely they are Town. I agree with you though using it as evidence of people being trapped definitively doesn't work due to the fact we do not know how all of the PM's were phrased. | ||
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