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weltraumMonster
Germany62 Posts
- Raynor had a Lab and a capable scientist in his crew... Why did he have to fullfill his "deal with the devil"? - He teamed up with Raynor who was able to fight Mengsk and the Zerg... Who could be even more powerful to be a threat to Tychus? Did Raynor really kill him? - We didnt see his corpse... | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Did Raynor really kill him? First with ignorance or stupidity and then with a bullet in his head. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
YOU FOUND A GAPING PLOT HOLE IN THE SC2 STORY! STOP THE PRESSES! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Rampoon
United Kingdom166 Posts
2 - see above, Death is quite a powerful opponent 3 - Yes, cause they tell you although I guess they could have lied..... | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
He was working for someone who was working for the hybrids (Narud maybe? Probably someone within the Moebius foundation at least). They wanted the terrans to kill Kerrigan instead of saving her so that Kerrigan couldn't stop the hybrids from killing of all the other races in the future. The person who put Tychus in his suit doesn't really have to be more powerful than Raynor or Mengsk. All he has to have is access to the prison system and a suit that kills the wearer remotely. He was wearing an armor with its visor up. Raynor obviously shot him in the face. Of course that isn't a 100% guaranteed win but I am pretty sure the comment on battle.net after you finish the game states that Tychus is dead. | ||
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Annatar11
United States27 Posts
On August 10 2010 20:39 DrainX wrote: The person who put Tychus in his suit doesn't really have to be more powerful than Raynor or Mengsk. All he has to have is access to the prison system and a suit that kills the wearer remotely. It was Mengsk who put him in the suit, though. The Tychus storyline was spoiled by Blizzard in the intro movie, of all things, which shows Tychus get suited up and Mengsk talking to him about how it's going to be his new prison. | ||
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JarL
United States19 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Chiburi
United States166 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. Tassadar is a bit of a special case though. He might not be dead per se, but his body is. In the Zeratul mission, it seemed like Tassadar's spirit/soul was bound to the site of the dead overmind and somehow able to understand its thoughts. What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
It's confirmed by the text Blizzard leaves you with. You don't have to see a body. However, dead people can be brought back to life via infestation, like + Show Spoiler + Vice Admiral Stukov of the UED | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
probably some kind of setup. if you think about it, Raynor jacked the artifacts from the Dominion to turn it over to Moebius - owned by Valerian. in the story, supposedly most of Raynors' operating funds came from Moebius and thus Valerian. its possible that there is a rift between Acturus and Valerian, since taking 1/2 of the Dominion fleet without the emperor's knowledge is a serious offense. so its possible that Valerian want to take this opportunity to force his father to retire - cause he is now unpopular and his fleet is in the hands of Valerian. | ||
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Annatar11
United States27 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. It's really not that confusing, I think. In real life when law enforcement goes undercover they can't really act like law enforcement  Same thing here - in order for Tychus to get close to Raynor he needs to do stuff against Mengsk, otherwise Raynor will know something fishy is up. Mengsk knew Raynor is still hung up on Kerrigan, and after all Tychus shows up very close to when Raynor discovers the Zerg are on the move again. It's perfectly feasible that Mengsk knew about the Zerg attacks before Raynor, and pretty much knowing that Raynor will end up going after Kerrigan once he finds out. Tychus then becomes the perfect mole - if the larger goal for him, Narud/Duran, Dark Voice, etc is to kill Kerrigan, then Tychus having to appear to go against Mengsk becomes sort of a necessary "evil". | ||
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Lysis
United States147 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. Could it be that perhaps he became part of the Khala like Adun did when he saved the Nerazim all those long years ago? Hmm? In that way Tassadar indeed never died, since his soul lives on in the Khala. And Tychus is indeed dead. You never questioned whether or not King Terenas was dead when Arthas killed him with Frostmourne, yet the never actually showed his body (yes you can see the shadow of it happening, but you can also hear Raynor shooting Tychus in the face). | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: Tassadar is a bit of a special case though. He might not be dead per se, but his body is. In the Zeratul mission, it seemed like Tassadar's spirit/soul was bound to the site of the dead overmind and somehow able to understand its thoughts. What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. Also, Fenix lost his Templar body; however, he wound up in a Dragoon body (original SC). Also, Tassadar appeared at the Zerg Overmind's very dead corpse on Aiur itself. The Protoss, for all their technology, are the most mystical of the three species of the Starcraft/SC2 universe. (I compare them to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for that reason.) Also, we have no idea what Arcturus Mengsk promised Tychus. (Tychus certainly had no love for the man; what he said when he drew on Kerrigan was evidence of that; he referred to his bargain as a "deal with the devil".) Tychus was certainly conflicted in his loyalties when he drew on Kerrigan; that much was plain to see in retrospect. (He was betraying Raynor, and knew it.) Mengsk's deal with Tychus was likely an "if the chance presents itself, take it" sort of thing - after all, a HUMAN Kerrigan was a threat to nobody other than Mengsk. (Unless Kerrigan knows who/what was pulling Mengsk's strings? That is certainly possible; remember, Kerrigan didn't meet Raynor until the beginning of the SoK uprising against the Confederacy; however, Kerrigan had been working for the SoK for a while.) Also, the entire Raynor/Kerrigan storyline happened while Tychus was on ice - anything Tychus knows about Kerrigan he learned from either Mengsk or the Dominion (Raynor certainly didn't tell Tychus anything, despite Tychus' fishing expeditions). | ||
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
2. He actually had to work for Mengsk. That's why at the end there was a voice that said "you have your orders, carry them out." That voice sounded a lot like Mengsk. 3, Yes he did kill him. It said so at the end cinematic. Right before the credits. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:18 RyuChus wrote: 3, Yes he did kill him. It said so at the end cinematic. Right before the credits. OP's point is that Tychus' death is not on-screen. We don't know that it actually happened. | ||
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:42 dybydx wrote: @Chiburi, probably some kind of setup. if you think about it, Raynor jacked the artifacts from the Dominion to turn it over to Moebius - owned by Valerian. in the story, supposedly most of Raynors' operating funds came from Moebius and thus Valerian. its possible that there is a rift between Acturus and Valerian, since taking 1/2 of the Dominion fleet without the emperor's knowledge is a serious offense. so its possible that Valerian want to take this opportunity to force his father to retire - cause he is now unpopular and his fleet is in the hands of Valerian. Oh, there's a DEFINITE rift between Arcturus and Valerian, which has only gotten bigger. First, Valerian was indirectly bankrolling Raynor's Raiders (via the Moebius Foundation) - and Arcturus wanted Raynor dead, or at least definitely discredited. Then there is all the intel that Raynor picked up just enroute to finally meet up with Valerian (and that doesn't even count that Protoss memory crystal that Raynor has aboard the Hyperion). Lastly, there is Kerrigan herself - alive, in as perfect health as possible, and apparently chock full of Arcturus' secrets (and I will give long odds that Valerian knows none of that - yet). Then there is the absolute butt-kicking that this supposedly ragtag bunch of washed-up warriors has been dishing out (against everything that anyone has thrown at them), and Arcturus' rep has definitely taken some major hits. But what has to be EXTRA-galling is that Valerian has, and publicly, allied himself with Raynor. Arcturus Mengsk has an ego bigger than the Koprulu sector, and to have his son PUBLICLY backing one enemy, and protecting the other (Kerrigan) is like sitting on a bed of nails with an anvil in your lap. | ||
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