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On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote:
i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around.
Eh, probably the same reason that villains in movies get defeated because they go on lengthy monologues. Mengsk probably could've killed him through the suit at any time, so yeah.
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On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote:
i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around.
Tychus wanted RAYNOR to know that it had nothing to do with him, and that Tychus was no threat to him. Tychus certainly believed he was dead regardless (if he failed, Mengsk would kill him, but if he succeeded, RAYNOR would kill him); however, he also wanted to salve what honor he had left, despite that "deal with the devil", as Tychus himself put it.
Also, there is the very real possibility that Tychus planned to fail. (Yes; there is a truckload of evidence pointing that way, and straight from all the cutscenes involving Tychus.)
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@ PGHAMMER
Exactly. It was made very clear over the course of the game that Tychus was conflicted. He wanted to stay loyal to Raynor but he made the deal with Mengsk. Since he didn't want to betray Raynor nor did he want Mengsk to kill him via the suit. Tychus made his intentions transparent at the end. Thus giving Raynor the decision whether Tychus lives or dies.
Also you might recall when Tychus didn't want to fight the zerg anymore. He didn't want to get any closer to Kerrigan. He wanted to avoid betraying Raynor.
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On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote:
What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk?
Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way.
Personally I feel it was Mengsk changing his mind. I bet that at all points in the story Mengsk was in Tychus's ear telling him what to do at any given situation. Tychus smartly didn't tell Mengsk why they were going to the UNN headquarters, but wouldn't you say stealing the odin and leveling an almost civilian area would be good publicity against Raynor? So next Mengsk says, if you start a coup against raynor then I'll let you live. That fails, so Mengsk next says ok you're going to kerrigan. Make sure she dies and I'll let you live.
He only said lines about saving humanity to feed Raynor's gullibility. Raynor is historically gullible. Same thing with money. He didn't want money, he wanted out of the suit with maybe a little bit of revenge at Raynor for being in prison.
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I skipped down here to avoid reading anything. I have only finished a few missions. I'm here to say that the title of your post is already a spoiler. Thanks, but no thanks OP.
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On August 10 2010 20:37 Rampoon wrote:
1 - The suit's device would have been activated to kill him had he tried.
2 - see above, Death is quite a powerful opponent
3 - Yes, cause they tell you although I guess they could have lied.....
Also as he was bitter which was why he agreed to it. Numerous times he shows some jealousy over the fact raynor was free while he was locked up.
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On August 11 2010 00:16 JarL wrote:
I think the OP brings up a good point, Tychus is never confirmed dead. Personally, I really enjoyed the Tychus character and would love to see him in the second and third installments of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard was trying to pull a fast one on us, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they killed him off as well. Either way, I hope that they kept him alive.
Yes he is confirmed dead. Blizz explicitly says so in my 'your game is complete! ... tychus is dead, kerrigan is a human, wait for the zerg part and buy it!' when i start up BNet.
Though with Blizz, who knows what a death means even when explicitly confirmed.
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It states on the final screen that he is dead. I doubt he will be resurrected.
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On August 11 2010 05:17 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:16 JarL wrote:
I think the OP brings up a good point, Tychus is never confirmed dead. Personally, I really enjoyed the Tychus character and would love to see him in the second and third installments of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard was trying to pull a fast one on us, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they killed him off as well. Either way, I hope that they kept him alive. Yes he is confirmed dead. Blizz explicitly says so in my 'your game is complete! ... tychus is dead, kerrigan is a human, wait for the zerg part and buy it!' when i start up BNet. Though with Blizz, who knows what a death means even when explicitly confirmed.
He's guranteed dead. Unlike Tassadar Tychus doesn't work within the void or anything of that sort...remember Tassadar very much isn't dead but it's not explained why and Tassadar isn't showing up in a body but seems to be a soul sort of deal. So that very well could be along the lines of their more religious roots(his body is dead but his soul/mind is not).
There's also the fact a few other marines were in the cave with them so chances are Tychus would of been gunned down had raynor missed or he had killed raynor.
Well the fact mengsk ordered it could very well mean that the dark voice is involved with him(either controlling mengsk or someone extremely close) as though Kerrigan used to be his officer he doesn't truly have a reason to go after her(in that regard Raynor is more of a threat, especially reputationwise where as anything Kerrigan would say due to her time as Queen of Blades would be ignored).
Tychus I feel is bitter about going to jail for Raynor but for how the time went and his taste of freedom I believe is why Tychus gave Raynor time, so hopefully in his eyes he could just shoot her as any other way would of ended in his death(from Raynor like it happened or the marines in the cave or from Mengsk). Though it could also be because he never wanted to betray Raynor. Think this is one of those 'in the eyes of the beholder' reason.
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On August 10 2010 22:35 Annatar11 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 20:39 DrainX wrote:
The person who put Tychus in his suit doesn't really have to be more powerful than Raynor or Mengsk. All he has to have is access to the prison system and a suit that kills the wearer remotely.
It was Mengsk who put him in the suit, though. The Tychus storyline was spoiled by Blizzard in the intro movie, of all things, which shows Tychus get suited up and Mengsk talking to him about how it's going to be his new prison.
I don`t think this is necessarily true.
This could also just be standard procedure involved in the processing of marines, which are usually made out of criminals. The speech does in no way need to be Arcturus Mengsk speaking to Tychus personally, but could also be some standard recording that every marine-to-be gets to hear. Obviously, using his name in the end speaks against this a bit, but it is still a very plausible explanation.
I am also not really convinced that Arcturus Mengsk is the one pulling the strings of Tychus, this simply does not make any sense. For one, there is little reason that Mengsk would view the Queen of Blades as his major concern, since for most of the time, he seems to be more concerned about internal terran politics. So, if he would be the one pulling the strings, there is simply no reason he would let such a disaster as making the record on the adjutant of his speech in SC1 public in the Odin missions happen, just to stay in contact with Raynor and maybe kill the Queen of Blades after humanifying her. If he was really Mengsks puppet, that would have been the point where he interfered, and not in the end of the game. Mengsk has shown many times that the one single most important thing to him is to continue being the emperor, and that he would risc losing the whole dominion to the zerg before risking to lose his reign there.
All of Tychus` actions seemed like he was instructed that his target was to kill Kerrigan, and not care for any other stuff at all. The only reason someone would value this that highly is the whole prophecy-stuff, so probably someone inside the whole not very clear Valerian/Moebius/Narud/Hybrid/Bigevilguy-connection is the one with the deathswitch to Tychus armor.
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It was clear that before going to Char that Mengsk had no idea that the invasion would take place (cutscene right before Char). So if Mengsk had no idea that the invasion of Char would take place how could he order Tychus to kill Kerrigan?
There is a gaping plot hole right there, but the only way for this to make sense is if he didn't work directly for Mengsk. Cue the Mobies Foundation, whose prime researcher is Dr. Narud + Show Spoiler +, and is headed by Valerian. Dr. Narud would know that Tychus would go to Char, and he would know that killing Kerrigan would allow his plan to come to fruition. Of course this is all speculation on the fact that Narud is Duran which I feel is highly likely.
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On August 11 2010 06:05 Morayfire73 wrote:It was clear that before going to Char that Mengsk had no idea that the invasion would take place (cutscene right before Char). So if Mengsk had no idea that the invasion of Char would take place how could he order Tychus to kill Kerrigan? There is a gaping plot hole right there, but the only way for this to make sense is if he didn't work directly for Mengsk. Cue the Mobies Foundation, whose prime researcher is Dr. Narud + Show Spoiler +, and is headed by Valerian. Dr. Narud would know that Tychus would go to Char, and he would know that killing Kerrigan would allow his plan to come to fruition. Of course this is all speculation on the fact that Narud is Duran which I feel is highly likely. + Show Spoiler +
Just because Mengsk didn't know that Valerian is going to assault Char, doesn't mean he didn't know that Raynor and Kerrigan would eventually meet, given Raynor's feelings for her. I'm of the opinion that Mengsk isn't acting entirely on his own accord, it only makes sense that he's also acting for the Dark Voice, what with the Hybrid-making lab and ordering Kerrigan's death. In that light, it wouldn't matter to him *when* Raynor would end up 'reunited' with Kerrigan, only that he would - which was essentially a certainty when the Zerg resurfaced. And Mengsk certainly knew about the artifacts, since the first one you get from the Dominion.
So, basically, even if Valerian surprised Mengsk with the attack on Char doesn't mean that Mengsk (and whoever he works for) didn't expect Raynor and Kerrigan to meet - and if Tychus was his trusted best buddy, he'd be in place to accomplish the mission regardless of "when".
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On August 11 2010 06:21 Annatar11 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 06:05 Morayfire73 wrote:It was clear that before going to Char that Mengsk had no idea that the invasion would take place (cutscene right before Char). So if Mengsk had no idea that the invasion of Char would take place how could he order Tychus to kill Kerrigan? There is a gaping plot hole right there, but the only way for this to make sense is if he didn't work directly for Mengsk. Cue the Mobies Foundation, whose prime researcher is Dr. Narud + Show Spoiler +, and is headed by Valerian. Dr. Narud would know that Tychus would go to Char, and he would know that killing Kerrigan would allow his plan to come to fruition. Of course this is all speculation on the fact that Narud is Duran which I feel is highly likely. + Show Spoiler + Just because Mengsk didn't know that Valerian is going to assault Char, doesn't mean he didn't know that Raynor and Kerrigan would eventually meet, given Raynor's feelings for her. I'm of the opinion that Mengsk isn't acting entirely on his own accord, it only makes sense that he's also acting for the Dark Voice, what with the Hybrid-making lab and ordering Kerrigan's death. In that light, it wouldn't matter to him *when* Raynor would end up 'reunited' with Kerrigan, only that he would - which was essentially a certainty when the Zerg resurfaced. And Mengsk certainly knew about the artifacts, since the first one you get from the Dominion. So, basically, even if Valerian surprised Mengsk with the attack on Char doesn't mean that Mengsk (and whoever he works for) didn't expect Raynor and Kerrigan to meet - and if Tychus was his trusted best buddy, he'd be in place to accomplish the mission regardless of "when".
First of all just because the first artifact recovered by the Dominion was Valerian's doing. If he had the ability to take half the Dominion Fleet and the Dominion's best general to Char he could take a very small party to recover an artifact.
Second, Mengsk had an opportunity to take out Kerrigan before, on the mission, the Moebius Factor. This would have been His best opportunity to take her out if he wanted to. She was off world, with a limited force, and she was in Dominon Space. However, Mengsk ignored the distress calls, thus passing by his best chance at killing Kerrigan. Also when Valerian is speaking to Mengsk, he says he will defeat Kerrigan, something that Mengsk could not do. Plus, Mengsk explicitly says that Kerrigan could not be saved, meaning that he does not know what the artifact does.
Third, you ignore all the anti-Dominion things Tychus did with Raynor like with the Media Blitz, if Tychus was truely working directly for Mengsk he would not have allowed such a thing to take place.
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The voice saying "you have your orders, carry them out" or we was mengsk, i played the whole game with subtitles (damn language barrier) and it showed up like this:
Mengks: You have your orders...carry them out
So its official fellas
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On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote:
i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around.
He was letting Jim and the crew find out on there own. He couldn't tell them "Hey guys I'm a walking time bomb!" but when he lets Raynor see his laser he is able to escape through a loophole. The suit will either shut down his organs in a slow and painfull death or expload the reactor but it will shut down if he dies. Tychuss also has shadowy friends who could get him out of nearly anything.
On a side note about the whole Tassadar thing. Adune(that how you spell it?) also is apparently a "spirit" aswell. The reason he isn't dead is because he combined dark and light energy, and for some reason it creates a strange effect on those who can harnest it(this could also mean that the protoss truly are meant to unite to achieve their highest potential)
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I think you are all missing the most important question:
If Tychus is locked up in is suit, how does he use the Toilet when he's on-board the Odin?
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On August 11 2010 08:26 TheYango wrote:
I think you are all missing the most important question:
If Tychus is locked up in is suit, how does he use the Toilet when he's on-board the Odin?
Obviously he just unzipped his fly.
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Yes Tychus is currently dead but Kerrigan might just reanimate him through her infestation powers if it's still possible for her to do so and then they can also reverse the infestation through these anti-zerg nanites like they did with Stukov back in the Brood War side-quests though I would be pissed if they do that seeing that it's just another deus ex machina climax.
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On August 11 2010 08:26 TheYango wrote:
I think you are all missing the most important question:
If Tychus is locked up in is suit, how does he use the Toilet when he's on-board the Odin?
HAHAHAHAHA
man I never think about things like this. I loved hearing the idea that Tychus purposefully let Raynor make the decision to kill him instead of dying to Mengsk
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After watching the CE commentary on the cut scenes I think Char was merely a setback for Tychus. They say twice something along the lines of 'you never know, he might have missed, haha.'
Seems like a hint to me.
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