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weltraumMonster
Germany62 Posts
- Raynor had a Lab and a capable scientist in his crew... Why did he have to fullfill his "deal with the devil"? - He teamed up with Raynor who was able to fight Mengsk and the Zerg... Who could be even more powerful to be a threat to Tychus? Did Raynor really kill him? - We didnt see his corpse... | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Did Raynor really kill him? First with ignorance or stupidity and then with a bullet in his head. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
YOU FOUND A GAPING PLOT HOLE IN THE SC2 STORY! STOP THE PRESSES! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Rampoon
United Kingdom166 Posts
2 - see above, Death is quite a powerful opponent 3 - Yes, cause they tell you although I guess they could have lied..... | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
He was working for someone who was working for the hybrids (Narud maybe? Probably someone within the Moebius foundation at least). They wanted the terrans to kill Kerrigan instead of saving her so that Kerrigan couldn't stop the hybrids from killing of all the other races in the future. The person who put Tychus in his suit doesn't really have to be more powerful than Raynor or Mengsk. All he has to have is access to the prison system and a suit that kills the wearer remotely. He was wearing an armor with its visor up. Raynor obviously shot him in the face. Of course that isn't a 100% guaranteed win but I am pretty sure the comment on battle.net after you finish the game states that Tychus is dead. | ||
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Annatar11
United States27 Posts
On August 10 2010 20:39 DrainX wrote: The person who put Tychus in his suit doesn't really have to be more powerful than Raynor or Mengsk. All he has to have is access to the prison system and a suit that kills the wearer remotely. It was Mengsk who put him in the suit, though. The Tychus storyline was spoiled by Blizzard in the intro movie, of all things, which shows Tychus get suited up and Mengsk talking to him about how it's going to be his new prison. | ||
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JarL
United States19 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Chiburi
United States166 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. Tassadar is a bit of a special case though. He might not be dead per se, but his body is. In the Zeratul mission, it seemed like Tassadar's spirit/soul was bound to the site of the dead overmind and somehow able to understand its thoughts. What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
It's confirmed by the text Blizzard leaves you with. You don't have to see a body. However, dead people can be brought back to life via infestation, like + Show Spoiler + Vice Admiral Stukov of the UED | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
probably some kind of setup. if you think about it, Raynor jacked the artifacts from the Dominion to turn it over to Moebius - owned by Valerian. in the story, supposedly most of Raynors' operating funds came from Moebius and thus Valerian. its possible that there is a rift between Acturus and Valerian, since taking 1/2 of the Dominion fleet without the emperor's knowledge is a serious offense. so its possible that Valerian want to take this opportunity to force his father to retire - cause he is now unpopular and his fleet is in the hands of Valerian. | ||
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Annatar11
United States27 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. It's really not that confusing, I think. In real life when law enforcement goes undercover they can't really act like law enforcement  Same thing here - in order for Tychus to get close to Raynor he needs to do stuff against Mengsk, otherwise Raynor will know something fishy is up. Mengsk knew Raynor is still hung up on Kerrigan, and after all Tychus shows up very close to when Raynor discovers the Zerg are on the move again. It's perfectly feasible that Mengsk knew about the Zerg attacks before Raynor, and pretty much knowing that Raynor will end up going after Kerrigan once he finds out. Tychus then becomes the perfect mole - if the larger goal for him, Narud/Duran, Dark Voice, etc is to kill Kerrigan, then Tychus having to appear to go against Mengsk becomes sort of a necessary "evil". | ||
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Lysis
United States147 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. Could it be that perhaps he became part of the Khala like Adun did when he saved the Nerazim all those long years ago? Hmm? In that way Tassadar indeed never died, since his soul lives on in the Khala. And Tychus is indeed dead. You never questioned whether or not King Terenas was dead when Arthas killed him with Frostmourne, yet the never actually showed his body (yes you can see the shadow of it happening, but you can also hear Raynor shooting Tychus in the face). | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: Tassadar is a bit of a special case though. He might not be dead per se, but his body is. In the Zeratul mission, it seemed like Tassadar's spirit/soul was bound to the site of the dead overmind and somehow able to understand its thoughts. What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. Also, Fenix lost his Templar body; however, he wound up in a Dragoon body (original SC). Also, Tassadar appeared at the Zerg Overmind's very dead corpse on Aiur itself. The Protoss, for all their technology, are the most mystical of the three species of the Starcraft/SC2 universe. (I compare them to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for that reason.) Also, we have no idea what Arcturus Mengsk promised Tychus. (Tychus certainly had no love for the man; what he said when he drew on Kerrigan was evidence of that; he referred to his bargain as a "deal with the devil".) Tychus was certainly conflicted in his loyalties when he drew on Kerrigan; that much was plain to see in retrospect. (He was betraying Raynor, and knew it.) Mengsk's deal with Tychus was likely an "if the chance presents itself, take it" sort of thing - after all, a HUMAN Kerrigan was a threat to nobody other than Mengsk. (Unless Kerrigan knows who/what was pulling Mengsk's strings? That is certainly possible; remember, Kerrigan didn't meet Raynor until the beginning of the SoK uprising against the Confederacy; however, Kerrigan had been working for the SoK for a while.) Also, the entire Raynor/Kerrigan storyline happened while Tychus was on ice - anything Tychus knows about Kerrigan he learned from either Mengsk or the Dominion (Raynor certainly didn't tell Tychus anything, despite Tychus' fishing expeditions). | ||
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
2. He actually had to work for Mengsk. That's why at the end there was a voice that said "you have your orders, carry them out." That voice sounded a lot like Mengsk. 3, Yes he did kill him. It said so at the end cinematic. Right before the credits. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:18 RyuChus wrote: 3, Yes he did kill him. It said so at the end cinematic. Right before the credits. OP's point is that Tychus' death is not on-screen. We don't know that it actually happened. | ||
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:42 dybydx wrote: @Chiburi, probably some kind of setup. if you think about it, Raynor jacked the artifacts from the Dominion to turn it over to Moebius - owned by Valerian. in the story, supposedly most of Raynors' operating funds came from Moebius and thus Valerian. its possible that there is a rift between Acturus and Valerian, since taking 1/2 of the Dominion fleet without the emperor's knowledge is a serious offense. so its possible that Valerian want to take this opportunity to force his father to retire - cause he is now unpopular and his fleet is in the hands of Valerian. Oh, there's a DEFINITE rift between Arcturus and Valerian, which has only gotten bigger. First, Valerian was indirectly bankrolling Raynor's Raiders (via the Moebius Foundation) - and Arcturus wanted Raynor dead, or at least definitely discredited. Then there is all the intel that Raynor picked up just enroute to finally meet up with Valerian (and that doesn't even count that Protoss memory crystal that Raynor has aboard the Hyperion). Lastly, there is Kerrigan herself - alive, in as perfect health as possible, and apparently chock full of Arcturus' secrets (and I will give long odds that Valerian knows none of that - yet). Then there is the absolute butt-kicking that this supposedly ragtag bunch of washed-up warriors has been dishing out (against everything that anyone has thrown at them), and Arcturus' rep has definitely taken some major hits. But what has to be EXTRA-galling is that Valerian has, and publicly, allied himself with Raynor. Arcturus Mengsk has an ego bigger than the Koprulu sector, and to have his son PUBLICLY backing one enemy, and protecting the other (Kerrigan) is like sitting on a bed of nails with an anvil in your lap. | ||
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darkponcho
United States262 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. Eh, probably the same reason that villains in movies get defeated because they go on lengthy monologues. Mengsk probably could've killed him through the suit at any time, so yeah. | ||
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. Tychus wanted RAYNOR to know that it had nothing to do with him, and that Tychus was no threat to him. Tychus certainly believed he was dead regardless (if he failed, Mengsk would kill him, but if he succeeded, RAYNOR would kill him); however, he also wanted to salve what honor he had left, despite that "deal with the devil", as Tychus himself put it. Also, there is the very real possibility that Tychus planned to fail. (Yes; there is a truckload of evidence pointing that way, and straight from all the cutscenes involving Tychus.) | ||
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TreyMendus
United States7 Posts
Exactly. It was made very clear over the course of the game that Tychus was conflicted. He wanted to stay loyal to Raynor but he made the deal with Mengsk. Since he didn't want to betray Raynor nor did he want Mengsk to kill him via the suit. Tychus made his intentions transparent at the end. Thus giving Raynor the decision whether Tychus lives or dies. Also you might recall when Tychus didn't want to fight the zerg anymore. He didn't want to get any closer to Kerrigan. He wanted to avoid betraying Raynor. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. Personally I feel it was Mengsk changing his mind. I bet that at all points in the story Mengsk was in Tychus's ear telling him what to do at any given situation. Tychus smartly didn't tell Mengsk why they were going to the UNN headquarters, but wouldn't you say stealing the odin and leveling an almost civilian area would be good publicity against Raynor? So next Mengsk says, if you start a coup against raynor then I'll let you live. That fails, so Mengsk next says ok you're going to kerrigan. Make sure she dies and I'll let you live. He only said lines about saving humanity to feed Raynor's gullibility. Raynor is historically gullible. Same thing with money. He didn't want money, he wanted out of the suit with maybe a little bit of revenge at Raynor for being in prison. | ||
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slimdagger
United States84 Posts
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Insanecorn
11 Posts
On August 10 2010 20:37 Rampoon wrote: 1 - The suit's device would have been activated to kill him had he tried. 2 - see above, Death is quite a powerful opponent 3 - Yes, cause they tell you although I guess they could have lied..... Also as he was bitter which was why he agreed to it. Numerous times he shows some jealousy over the fact raynor was free while he was locked up. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:16 JarL wrote: I think the OP brings up a good point, Tychus is never confirmed dead. Personally, I really enjoyed the Tychus character and would love to see him in the second and third installments of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard was trying to pull a fast one on us, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they killed him off as well. Either way, I hope that they kept him alive. Yes he is confirmed dead. Blizz explicitly says so in my 'your game is complete! ... tychus is dead, kerrigan is a human, wait for the zerg part and buy it!' when i start up BNet. Though with Blizz, who knows what a death means even when explicitly confirmed. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Insanecorn
11 Posts
On August 11 2010 05:17 choboPEon wrote: Yes he is confirmed dead. Blizz explicitly says so in my 'your game is complete! ... tychus is dead, kerrigan is a human, wait for the zerg part and buy it!' when i start up BNet. Though with Blizz, who knows what a death means even when explicitly confirmed. He's guranteed dead. Unlike Tassadar Tychus doesn't work within the void or anything of that sort...remember Tassadar very much isn't dead but it's not explained why and Tassadar isn't showing up in a body but seems to be a soul sort of deal. So that very well could be along the lines of their more religious roots(his body is dead but his soul/mind is not). There's also the fact a few other marines were in the cave with them so chances are Tychus would of been gunned down had raynor missed or he had killed raynor. Well the fact mengsk ordered it could very well mean that the dark voice is involved with him(either controlling mengsk or someone extremely close) as though Kerrigan used to be his officer he doesn't truly have a reason to go after her(in that regard Raynor is more of a threat, especially reputationwise where as anything Kerrigan would say due to her time as Queen of Blades would be ignored). Tychus I feel is bitter about going to jail for Raynor but for how the time went and his taste of freedom I believe is why Tychus gave Raynor time, so hopefully in his eyes he could just shoot her as any other way would of ended in his death(from Raynor like it happened or the marines in the cave or from Mengsk). Though it could also be because he never wanted to betray Raynor. Think this is one of those 'in the eyes of the beholder' reason. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11400 Posts
On August 10 2010 22:35 Annatar11 wrote: It was Mengsk who put him in the suit, though. The Tychus storyline was spoiled by Blizzard in the intro movie, of all things, which shows Tychus get suited up and Mengsk talking to him about how it's going to be his new prison. I don`t think this is necessarily true. This could also just be standard procedure involved in the processing of marines, which are usually made out of criminals. The speech does in no way need to be Arcturus Mengsk speaking to Tychus personally, but could also be some standard recording that every marine-to-be gets to hear. Obviously, using his name in the end speaks against this a bit, but it is still a very plausible explanation. I am also not really convinced that Arcturus Mengsk is the one pulling the strings of Tychus, this simply does not make any sense. For one, there is little reason that Mengsk would view the Queen of Blades as his major concern, since for most of the time, he seems to be more concerned about internal terran politics. So, if he would be the one pulling the strings, there is simply no reason he would let such a disaster as making the record on the adjutant of his speech in SC1 public in the Odin missions happen, just to stay in contact with Raynor and maybe kill the Queen of Blades after humanifying her. If he was really Mengsks puppet, that would have been the point where he interfered, and not in the end of the game. Mengsk has shown many times that the one single most important thing to him is to continue being the emperor, and that he would risc losing the whole dominion to the zerg before risking to lose his reign there. All of Tychus` actions seemed like he was instructed that his target was to kill Kerrigan, and not care for any other stuff at all. The only reason someone would value this that highly is the whole prophecy-stuff, so probably someone inside the whole not very clear Valerian/Moebius/Narud/Hybrid/Bigevilguy-connection is the one with the deathswitch to Tychus armor. | ||
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Morayfire73
United States298 Posts
There is a gaping plot hole right there, but the only way for this to make sense is if he didn't work directly for Mengsk. Cue the Mobies Foundation, whose prime researcher is Dr. Narud + Show Spoiler + Narud=Duran + Show Spoiler + Title should be renamed | ||
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Annatar11
United States27 Posts
On August 11 2010 06:05 Morayfire73 wrote: It was clear that before going to Char that Mengsk had no idea that the invasion would take place (cutscene right before Char). So if Mengsk had no idea that the invasion of Char would take place how could he order Tychus to kill Kerrigan? There is a gaping plot hole right there, but the only way for this to make sense is if he didn't work directly for Mengsk. Cue the Mobies Foundation, whose prime researcher is Dr. Narud + Show Spoiler + Narud=Duran + Show Spoiler + Title should be renamed Just because Mengsk didn't know that Valerian is going to assault Char, doesn't mean he didn't know that Raynor and Kerrigan would eventually meet, given Raynor's feelings for her. I'm of the opinion that Mengsk isn't acting entirely on his own accord, it only makes sense that he's also acting for the Dark Voice, what with the Hybrid-making lab and ordering Kerrigan's death. In that light, it wouldn't matter to him *when* Raynor would end up 'reunited' with Kerrigan, only that he would - which was essentially a certainty when the Zerg resurfaced. And Mengsk certainly knew about the artifacts, since the first one you get from the Dominion. So, basically, even if Valerian surprised Mengsk with the attack on Char doesn't mean that Mengsk (and whoever he works for) didn't expect Raynor and Kerrigan to meet - and if Tychus was his trusted best buddy, he'd be in place to accomplish the mission regardless of "when". | ||
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Morayfire73
United States298 Posts
On August 11 2010 06:21 Annatar11 wrote: Just because Mengsk didn't know that Valerian is going to assault Char, doesn't mean he didn't know that Raynor and Kerrigan would eventually meet, given Raynor's feelings for her. I'm of the opinion that Mengsk isn't acting entirely on his own accord, it only makes sense that he's also acting for the Dark Voice, what with the Hybrid-making lab and ordering Kerrigan's death. In that light, it wouldn't matter to him *when* Raynor would end up 'reunited' with Kerrigan, only that he would - which was essentially a certainty when the Zerg resurfaced. And Mengsk certainly knew about the artifacts, since the first one you get from the Dominion. So, basically, even if Valerian surprised Mengsk with the attack on Char doesn't mean that Mengsk (and whoever he works for) didn't expect Raynor and Kerrigan to meet - and if Tychus was his trusted best buddy, he'd be in place to accomplish the mission regardless of "when". First of all just because the first artifact recovered by the Dominion was Valerian's doing. If he had the ability to take half the Dominion Fleet and the Dominion's best general to Char he could take a very small party to recover an artifact. Second, Mengsk had an opportunity to take out Kerrigan before, on the mission, the Moebius Factor. This would have been His best opportunity to take her out if he wanted to. She was off world, with a limited force, and she was in Dominon Space. However, Mengsk ignored the distress calls, thus passing by his best chance at killing Kerrigan. Also when Valerian is speaking to Mengsk, he says he will defeat Kerrigan, something that Mengsk could not do. Plus, Mengsk explicitly says that Kerrigan could not be saved, meaning that he does not know what the artifact does. Third, you ignore all the anti-Dominion things Tychus did with Raynor like with the Media Blitz, if Tychus was truely working directly for Mengsk he would not have allowed such a thing to take place. | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
Mengks: You have your orders...carry them out So its official fellas | ||
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alsowikk
109 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. He was letting Jim and the crew find out on there own. He couldn't tell them "Hey guys I'm a walking time bomb!" but when he lets Raynor see his laser he is able to escape through a loophole. The suit will either shut down his organs in a slow and painfull death or expload the reactor but it will shut down if he dies. Tychuss also has shadowy friends who could get him out of nearly anything. On a side note about the whole Tassadar thing. Adune(that how you spell it?) also is apparently a "spirit" aswell. The reason he isn't dead is because he combined dark and light energy, and for some reason it creates a strange effect on those who can harnest it(this could also mean that the protoss truly are meant to unite to achieve their highest potential) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If Tychus is locked up in is suit, how does he use the Toilet when he's on-board the Odin? | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On August 11 2010 08:26 TheYango wrote: I think you are all missing the most important question: If Tychus is locked up in is suit, how does he use the Toilet when he's on-board the Odin? Obviously he just unzipped his fly. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
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oddsprout
53 Posts
On August 11 2010 08:26 TheYango wrote: I think you are all missing the most important question: If Tychus is locked up in is suit, how does he use the Toilet when he's on-board the Odin? HAHAHAHAHA man I never think about things like this. I loved hearing the idea that Tychus purposefully let Raynor make the decision to kill him instead of dying to Mengsk | ||
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bb33
United Kingdom18 Posts
Seems like a hint to me. | ||
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Blanke
Canada180 Posts
As for Mengsk, I'm just utterly disappointed by how Blizzard portrayed him as an oblivious fool in SC2, which is nothing like the cold, conniving mastermind we knew and loved in SC1. For instance, the reason everyone rioted over Kate Lockwell's audio tape is because Mengsk lost his cool, rather than dismissing the tape as slanderous propoganda. Oh, and in a real dictatorship, Kate would've been imprisoned and tortured for pulling a stunt like that. The greatest fear I have for SC2's storyline, above Zeratul's abysmal voice acting and cliched dialogue, beyond the cringe-worthy one-liners constantly exchanged between Matt Horner and James Raynor, even looking past the American action movie ending of WoL, is the fate of Valerian Mengsk. Blizzard is notorious for recycling their plotlines, and has a knack for overusing betrayal. (Just look at the Warcraft Universe and count how many betrayals occur from the Titans and Old Gods to WoW Cataclysm. It's ridiculous!) Please Blizzard, please do not make Valerian Mengsk Arthas in space! | ||
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atenthirtyone
United States88 Posts
On August 11 2010 09:12 Blanke wrote: Throughout the campaign, Tychus is genuinely disturbed by the notion of infested marines. I believe this is simple foreshadowing at work. If Blizzard decides to bring him back, which is most likely since they invested so much time into his character, he will probably be infested, just like Stukov. (Removed yes, but Tychus could be the curve ball here.) As for Mengsk, I'm just utterly disappointed by how Blizzard portrayed him as an oblivious fool in SC2, which is nothing like the cold, conniving mastermind we knew and loved in SC1. For instance, the reason everyone rioted over Kate Lockwell's audio tape is because Mengsk lost his cool, rather than dismissing the tape as slanderous propoganda. Oh, and in a real dictatorship, Kate would've been imprisoned and tortured for pulling a stunt like that. The greatest fear I have for SC2's storyline, above Zeratul's abysmal voice acting and cliched dialogue, beyond the cringe-worthy one-liners constantly exchanged between Matt Horner and James Raynor, even looking past the American action movie ending of WoL, is the fate of Valerian Mengsk. Blizzard is notorious for recycling their plotlines, and has a knack for overusing betrayal. (Just look at the Warcraft Universe and count how many betrayals occur from the Titans and Old Gods to WoW Cataclysm. It's ridiculous!) Please Blizzard, please do not make Valerian Mengsk Arthas in space! There must always be a lich king... I mean overmind! | ||
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theytookourjobs
Sweden79 Posts
On August 11 2010 09:12 Blanke wrote: Throughout the campaign, Tychus is genuinely disturbed by the notion of infested marines. I believe this is simple foreshadowing at work. If Blizzard decides to bring him back, which is most likely since they invested so much time into his character, he will probably be infested, just like Stukov. (Removed yes, but Tychus could be the curve ball here.) Agreed. He died on Char and I assume his body was left there, so it is possible that the remaining zerg there found his body after the terrans left and infested it. And as you mentioned, they seem to have put quite some time into his character so I don't really think they will drop him this quickly. | ||
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Odinsphere
United States57 Posts
Also, Fenix lost his Templar body; however, he wound up in a Dragoon body (original SC). Also, Tassadar appeared at the Zerg Overmind's very dead corpse on Aiur itself. The Protoss, for all their technology, are the most mystical of the three species of the Starcraft/SC2 universe. (I compare them to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for that reason.) Fenix wasn't a templar. He was a zealot and dragoons are just zealots who have lost the use of their bodies in combat and have been put in the dragoon suit to continue fighting. Thats why in BW when you make a goon it says "I have returned". As for tychus...I don't know...its blizzard.... | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. i think i'll wet myself if he's the protagonist in the last installment of the trilogy. :3 | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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Tamburlaine
Canada288 Posts
On August 11 2010 10:08 Half wrote: Zealots are templar in training. Lore Nerd ENGAGE! Zealots are Templar. Dragoons (being wounded zealots) are also Templar. So are scouts pilots, carrier pilots, high templar (of course), and all executor. Templar just means "warrior caste" for protoss. If memory serves, the only non-templar units (discounting the tricky issue of Dark Templar) are the various robots and the arbiters, who I'm pretty sure were Judicator ("ruling caste", though the only plot-relevant Judicator, Aldaris, was depicted as a high templar because... well, because). [/pedantry] | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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Thoreezhea1
United States532 Posts
It doesn't help that even Kate Lockwell, (a supposedly un-prejudiced UNN reporter) thinks that Arcturus is a piece of shit. Valerian will win because he has the support of the general public, and once he exposes that his father was using senseless propaganda, coupled with unrelenting attempted control over the sector. Raynor and his group will go free, (at least mostly) the zerg will be in utter disarray, and the protoss must fight the new threat, the hybrids. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
Oh lord the campaign in this game is so stupid compared to SC and BW. BAH. So anyone that thinks "oh they might ress him", all I can ask is: Why? He didn't bring anything to the plot, he didn't do anything through out the entire game except being a comic relief guy and acting as a stereotypical marine. | ||
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Thoreezhea1
United States532 Posts
Throughout the campaign, Tychus is genuinely disturbed by the notion of infested marines. I believe this is simple foreshadowing at work. If Blizzard decides to bring him back, which is most likely since they invested so much time into his character, he will probably be infested, just like Stukov. (Removed yes, but Tychus could be the curve ball here.) In the colonist mission where infested marines show, Tychus says, after seeing them, "Infested M'rines? Aww, hell Jimmy ah don't care for that notion oooonne bit." WTF | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. My impression was he just turned into a force ghost. Somehow... Blizzard has been getting this nasty habit of resurrecting characters lately. I blame WoW. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 11 2010 11:13 Tamburlaine wrote: Lore Nerd ENGAGE! Zealots are Templar. Dragoons (being wounded zealots) are also Templar. So are scouts pilots, carrier pilots, high templar (of course), and all executor. Templar just means "warrior caste" for protoss. If memory serves, the only non-templar units (discounting the tricky issue of Dark Templar) are the various robots and the arbiters, who I'm pretty sure were Judicator ("ruling caste", though the only plot-relevant Judicator, Aldaris, was depicted as a high templar because... well, because). [/pedantry] His ingame unit is based off a high templar. He is not a high templar though. | ||
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weltraumMonster
Germany62 Posts
it would be cool if an infested tychus could fill that gap... At least he was the most interesting character in WoL (for my taste)... would be just strange if blizzard invested so much into him and then not even give him a proper funeral... Edit: i Just found in a latin dictionary that Tychus means "absolute ruler" ... now thats interesting | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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Tiorda
United States91 Posts
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icezar
Germany240 Posts
What i hope is Tassadar fooled everyone and it is taking the swarm over!!! If this happens i will forgive Blizz for the zerg that we have now (lowest nr of units especially and no lurker or other hidden unit) PS: i do not have the game yet so PM if you have a spare guest pass :-D Thanks! | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
But please, PLEASE don't bring him back as an infested. There's no point in making him return if he's something else than what he was before: a crazy BAMF. | ||
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Jefferino
United States69 Posts
If Tychus was suddenly stopped from sabotaging Mengsk, his "deal with the devil" would've been revealed immediately and Tychus would be kicked off the Hyperion or killed. Mengsk viewed killing Kerrigan as more important than his problems with Raynor's Raiders so he allowed those acts to happen so that he could get an opportunity to get what he really wanted. | ||
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Edlina
Denmark28 Posts
On August 11 2010 21:44 Jefferino wrote: There's a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why Tychus wasn't stopped from stealing the Odin/broadcasting incriminating evidence against Mengsk. Clearly, Raynor and co knew that Tychus had a gun pointed at his head the whole time, but they were not sure by who (I think Tychus lies and says its the Mobius Foundation, which is a plausible excuse). If Tychus was suddenly stopped from sabotaging Mengsk, his "deal with the devil" would've been revealed immediately and Tychus would be kicked off the Hyperion or killed. Mengsk viewed killing Kerrigan as more important than his problems with Raynor's Raiders so he allowed those acts to happen so that he could get an opportunity to get what he really wanted. And he most likely viewed killing Kerrigan as his top priority due to being controlled by/in league with 'the dark voice'/fallen one - hybrid creator. And he was told that killing Kerrigan would be a possiblity for Tychus through Raynor and the use of the artifact (which incidentally was collected, given to Raynor and its use explained by naruD - Duran, also in league with 'the dark voice'/fallen one) as Kerrigan would obviously be at her most vulnerable when she was no longer the Queen Bitch of the Universe (and she will be missed as such!). This is at least the most obvious conclusion from the secret mission hybrid lab thingy. So the Fallen Ones plot was to weaken (ie. turn human) and then kill Kerrigan through Mengsk, through Tychus through Raynor (through Valerian/Narud/Mobius/the artifact) in order to secure the end of times as envisaged in the protoss crystal storyline. This also explains why they couldn't kill Kerrigan in the 'rescue the Mobius foundation' mission, as they did not yet have the possibility to turn her human, and clearly she's quite powerful as the Queen of Blades (see fx the cut scene where her wing/arm regrows while fighting Zeratul). All the while none of the main bad guys would get in the line of fire - 'worst case scenario' for them was the deaths of Tychus or/and Raynor while still having an infested Kerrigan to deal with. A dead Tychus and alive but cleansed Kerrigan would still be better than her staying infested - as she (supposedly) can no longer control the swarm and is at least "more" mortal now. Valerian stealing half the fleet was probably not part of Mengsk's plans, but given the dark voice's likely promise of giving him the world (or at least hybrids to control - or some similar promise (ie. the lab)) - it was probably something he could live with as long as Kerrigan ended up dead. | ||
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Dugrok
Canada377 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:30 Piski wrote: I know he is probably dead but I still hope they would bring him back. Don't care how, he was just such a cool character He was Edmund Duke with a new haircut and backstory tbh. He was alright, but they didn't really change anything. | ||
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
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Blanke
Canada180 Posts
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
On August 12 2010 04:59 TriniMasta wrote: If the suit would kill him instantly, couldn't Mengsk have killed Tychus when he knew he was working with Raynor to stop him? With like a CP or a remote or something? Yes, but then it wouldnt be a movie/video game. Think of all the times James Bond could just have been shot+killed rather then drowned, burned by a laser into the groin etc. | ||
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Blanke
Canada180 Posts
and this one explains why games that give us the choice between being sadistically evil and sanctimonously good are just lame: I think Starcraft 2's development and writing team needs to watch both of these videos if they want to make HoTS' storyline remotely interesting. | ||
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Schickysc
Canada380 Posts
On topic. Tychus is dead. That's the beauty of video games. You can hype a character for months, get you to love or hate him, and effect the community in either way by killing him off or keeping him around. HotS? Lets create another character that plays a large part of the main story, and use him/her now for the same thing. Obviously blizzard hit the nail on the head. Players are doing EXACTLY what blizzard wanted. They are letting their emotions, feelings or thoughts be effected by the character. This topic was created, read, and replied by many. I guess they succeeded in getting people to talk about their game, for weeks/months/years after it was played, and engage in meaningful conversation about it. +1 Blizzard. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:04 MangoTango wrote: Infested Tychus in 18 months, you'll see. haha that would be the sickest thing ever xD | ||
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New Zealand6138 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On August 10 2010 22:35 Annatar11 wrote: It was Mengsk who put him in the suit, though. The Tychus storyline was spoiled by Blizzard in the intro movie, of all things, which shows Tychus get suited up and Mengsk talking to him about how it's going to be his new prison. I actually didn't see this sequence. How do I get to see it again. Now each time Sc2 starts I never see it. | ||
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
On August 12 2010 10:31 Blanke wrote: This video explains why we don't have good storytelling in video games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdG2LHair0 and this one explains why games that give us the choice between being sadistically evil and sanctimonously good are just lame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_KU3lUx3u0&feature=related I think Starcraft 2's development and writing team needs to watch both of these videos if they want to make HoTS' storyline remotely interesting. The second video doesnt have much to do with SC2, considering there's only three choices during the campaign that affect the storyline, only one being a really good vs evil type choice (if you wanna team with Nova or if you wanna team with Tosh). | ||
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
i don't think they'd make the same mistake again | ||
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BuzzJuice
United States97 Posts
I think Tychus knew he would die one way or another. I think he found peace in knowing his friend would honorably dispatch him rather than a known enemy. He probably knew Mengsk wouldn't keep his part of the deal and wanted to fail in such a way that Mengsk thinks he is actually trying. Keep in mind that Tychus is from a Heavens Angels and black ops background like Raynor. If he really wanted to carry this out, he would have a better tactic and an escape plan as well. Oh yeah, I don't think Tychus will come back as infested because Raynor doesn't seem like the guy to leave a man's corpse behind, and whatever Tychus did, I don't think Raynor would have just left him there to rot and wanted to give him a proper burial, honorably. (Besides Raynor probably knows leaving a dead man in a Zerg Hive would probably result in infestation...) Also, Raynor just used his last bullet that was meant for Mengsk. Figure he gonna get a new bullet or decide to let Kerrigan finish him off? Pure speculation yes. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
Kind of like the dude with the funky lookin` hairdo in the Fifth Element. | ||
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
And I think Tassadar meant that his spirit didn't die, even though his body is dead. | ||
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Tamburlaine
Canada288 Posts
On August 13 2010 03:16 Grend wrote: Isnt the one who hired Tychus the Dark Voice thing? Only thing that makes sense imo, as killing Kerrigan would ensure his world dominion. Kind of like the dude with the funky lookin` hairdo in the Fifth Element. It was Mengsk. It sounded exactly like Mengsk. The opening cutscene hinted at it being Mengsk. The subtitles explicitly said it was Mengsk. Now, could there be some manipulation going on behind the scenes somewhere? Probably. It's Starcraft. + Show Spoiler + Calling it now: Duran/The Xel'Naga were pulling the strings of Moebius, as is often speculated due to the whole name thing. They wanted Kerrigan human and useless and killable. Kerrigan will have to let herself get re-infested to stop the Xel'Naga/Hybrids. For some contrived reason, the artifact will break or get lost or something. + Show Spoiler + Also, Fenix is an immortal now. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
Not going to start complaining about plotholes and stuff but the whole Tychus affair must be the most convoluted and uneccessarily complex plan ever hatched by anyone if its Mengsk. | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
 Neil, the voice actor behind Tychus replied on his facebook wall, when someone wrote: "Omg you died". "Shhhhhh... ahem... *Spoiler Alert* Besides which... it's science fiction. Are you SURE he'd dead?" | ||
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Thoreezhea1
United States532 Posts
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ZeGzoR
Sweden307 Posts
Raynor: There is Kerrigan lets save her! Tychus: "Yeah right". Ups my finger slipped. Raynor: Well, shit happends. The end | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:16 ZeGzoR wrote: How the end scene would play out if it was real: Raynor: There is Kerrigan lets save her! Tychus: "Yeah right". Ups my finger slipped. Raynor: Well, shit happends. The end Lol, if the game was real, everyone would've died on Char already. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On August 15 2010 03:19 Qzy wrote: I searched long and hard for this post, so you better give me some props! Neil, the voice actor behind Tychus replied on his facebook wall, when someone wrote: "Omg you died". "Shhhhhh... ahem... *Spoiler Alert* Besides which... it's science fiction. Are you SURE he'd dead?" I think that meant don't spoil the WoL plot, not spoilers jk not dead. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
*cough kerrigan tassadar fenix overmind stukov etc* | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. I think it was because he was having a mental struggle on the inside... and he didn't expect raynor to be carrying his pistol. The story kinda eludes to tychus struggling with inner demons. | ||
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Subtlety
Canada113 Posts
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pre_amp
Australia47 Posts
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Lightswarm
Canada966 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On August 15 2010 07:32 Jyvblamo wrote: Given how often this game seems to like bringing back supposedly 'dead' characters + Show Spoiler + *cough kerrigan tassadar fenix overmind stukov etc* Fenix makes sense since he was a zealot and he turns into a dragoon which makes perf sense, The overmind wanted kerrigan because he had obv saw into the future..(zeratul crystal) overmind yeah..but it wasnt really the original one so idk if you can count that, does blizz acknowledge infested stukov? | ||
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Torture
Canada221 Posts
What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. I interpreted the "coup" as he didn't want Raynor to go after Kerrigan as an attempt to avoid fulfilling his end of the bargain and betraying his friend. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On August 15 2010 07:32 Jyvblamo wrote: Given how often this game seems to like bringing back supposedly 'dead' characters + Show Spoiler + *cough kerrigan tassadar fenix overmind stukov etc* stukov?? when was he revived | ||
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Pokedude1013
116 Posts
one of the novels | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On August 15 2010 10:35 Torture wrote: I interpreted the "coup" as he didn't want Raynor to go after Kerrigan as an attempt to avoid fulfilling his end of the bargain and betraying his friend. Mengsk let him do all this because if his reputation was in the dirt, if he killed Kerrigan then he would automatically be worshipped as a god who stopped the zerg, thats why he allowed Tychus to do it | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. Only sensible explanation to me is that Tychus thought he and Raynor got so close together that it was "Bros before Hoes". He wanted to be honest to Raynor after what they had gone through, and I guess Tychus was a bit of dramaqueen and noisemaker who wouldn't just act out on long planned plan acting it was reaction or misfire. I don't mean to say Raynor could've accepted him killing Kerrigan, but underestimated Raynor's feelings for Kerrigan and possibly overestimated their Bro'ness to think Raynor could do the only thing to save Kerrigan - kill Tychus. Gah, the ugliest paragraph I've ever written. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On August 15 2010 15:03 Ouga wrote: Only sensible explanation to me is that Tychus thought he and Raynor got so close together that it was "Bros before Hoes". He wanted to be honest to Raynor after what they had gone through, and I guess Tychus was a bit of dramaqueen and noisemaker who wouldn't just act out on long planned plan acting it was reaction or misfire. I don't mean to say Raynor could've accepted him killing Kerrigan, but underestimated Raynor's feelings for Kerrigan and possibly overestimated their Bro'ness to think Raynor could do the only thing to save Kerrigan - kill Tychus. Gah, the ugliest paragraph I've ever written. Tychus also was unaware of one critical piece of information - that Jim knew that Kerrigan needed to survive to avoid the destruction of the three races. | ||
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.ImpacT.
United States390 Posts
The REASON why Tychus made such a production was to TELL Jim that he had to kill him (Jim kill Tychus). Tychus knew he was dead either way - Mengsk would kill him if he didn't kill Kerrigan, so he made a HUGE production out of it to try to tell Jim indirectly that it wasn't HIS fault, hence the "I made a deal with the Devil." he also tried to start a coup against Raynor - likely to try to stop the Char invasion-plan so it didn't come down to him having to choose. After all that they had been through together, I don't believe that Tychus could have betrayed Raynor. He was self-centered, but had shown numerous times to be one of Jim's closest allies. Just my two cents. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On August 15 2010 15:17 .ImpacT. wrote: Tychus Findlay was "good at heart". He knew Raynor always carried his pistol (he saw it on multiple occasions, one of them being when the Hyperion was docking with the 'Mobeius" ship. The REASON why Tychus made such a production was to TELL Jim that he had to kill him (Jim kill Tychus). Tychus knew he was dead either way - Mengsk would kill him if he didn't kill Kerrigan, so he made a HUGE production out of it to try to tell Jim indirectly that it wasn't HIS fault, hence the "I made a deal with the Devil." he also tried to start a coup against Raynor - likely to try to stop the Char invasion-plan so it didn't come down to him having to choose. After all that they had been through together, I don't believe that Tychus could have betrayed Raynor. He was self-centered, but had shown numerous times to be one of Jim's closest allies. Just my two cents. It almost makes me feel sad for the ol' bastard.  | ||
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.ImpacT.
United States390 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
On August 15 2010 16:42 .ImpacT. wrote: I've said it before, and I'll gladly say it again - Tychus is probably my favorite character in Sc2 (because of how complex he is.) and is really one of the most loyal and "good" characters in the game, it's just shown in a light that many people take as selfishness or 'evil'. Most people relate selfishness to actions such as: -Betraying one of your friends for your own gains -Trying to kill someone your friend is saving for your own gains | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
Tychus was forced into a contract to monitor Raynor's expedition of collecting the Xel'Naga artifacts. Either Mengsk knew that would lead them to Kerrigan or he was just hoping a little fools luck would turn the tide at some point during the Zerg invasion. The most mysterious of things is when Mengsk found out that half of his forces were assaulting Char that it seemed that he had no idea that would be the way Tychus would get his sights onto Kerrigan to seal the deal. Its clear that the Mobeius Foundation was contracted via Mengsk's son, Valerian, which relayed missions to Tychus that would lead Raynor to Kerrigan. Either Arcturus wasn't banking on Raynor making a trip to Char to have the final showdown with Kerrigan or Mengsk was secretly allowing Valerian to use the Mobeiuis Foundation inunicen with Tychus in order to get to Raynor/Kerrigan. Its very possible that Samir Duran (or I'd like to say, The Great Hungerer), is pulling many strings from afar. If indeed Dr. Narud is Duran, as a shape-shifter, I'd say that there are even more possibilities that can factor into the story than we could possibly figure. I wouldn't be surprised if canon campaigns like the Enslavers: Dark Vengeance featured Duran as another character. I suspected since the debate about Dr. Narud, that Ulrezaj, now a Dark Archon, is Duran. It is interesting to know that like the Hybrid, Ulrezaj sought out Preservers as well... Lets not forget the bonus mission where Raynor confronted the first 'man-made' Hybrid on a Dominion Space station. Either Arcturus was already made aware of the Xel'Naga/Hybrid or Duran is pulling some serious strings in the Koprulu Sector to enhance the cycle of the Xel'Naga. | ||
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sparknineone
United States52 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
There's obviously a traitor, it wouldnt be fun without it, but screw suspitions, we have Tosh who tells us that we indeed have someone working for Mengsk. There arent many characters, and if we exclude the one who states this, Tosh, we pretty much end up with Matt and Tychus, and the pick is obvious. Now if it wouldnt be, we, again, have Tosh who tells us to not trust Tychus, and he is dangerous, at least 3 times. And OMFG at the end when there's 1 minute left of the game, and we know there's a traitor, Tychus reveals himself. hand up who were surprised/shocked/thrilled by this incredible turn of events. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
kinda bad english there ;;D | ||
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Spaceninja
United States211 Posts
On August 10 2010 20:31 weltraumMonster wrote: Did Raynor really kill him? - We didnt see his corpse... He's dead bro, its in the epilogue. | ||
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.ImpacT.
United States390 Posts
On August 15 2010 17:23 Wolf wrote: Most people relate selfishness to actions such as: -Betraying one of your friends for your own gains -Trying to kill someone your friend is saving for your own gains It WASNT for his own gains, he knew he was dead either way. He just wanted to let Jim know that it wasn't his fault. Do you think Mengsk would REALLY have let him live, either way? | ||
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h2
United States12 Posts
Also, infested Tychus for swarm boss is bullshit, there was never even the slightest hint of the psionic ability required to control zerg. | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
As for all the conspiracy stuff with the Mensk family, i have no clue. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
what epilogue? | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
NastyMarine: Ulrezaj was seven dark templar. None of them were Duran else he would cease is eons of existence and relevance to the plot. This is because Ulrezaj is trapped in a fucking crystal in the back ass end of Protoss space. 9/10ths of the posts here are overcomplicating the hell out of what happened. Raynor killed Tychus. Tychus is dead. Tychus is Dead | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On August 16 2010 22:08 h2 wrote: Raynor's pistol have any back story? Did he ever fire it in the original campaign? Recover the last remnant of protoss ballistic technology and decide "Damn, pretty lucky protoss bullets from two million years ago fit into terran revolvers! I'm going to use this magic bullet to shoot Mengsk some day." It's totally an explosive plasma round, incinerated Tychus's suit and ran out of steam at the skin. Also, infested Tychus for swarm boss is bullshit, there was never even the slightest hint of the psionic ability required to control zerg. Lol interestingly, Raynor also shot the TV with the revolver and was gonna shoot Tychus before he revealed himself. Yet, the revolver was portrayed with only 1 bullet, and that bullet was supposed to be something special... Does Raynor only keep 1 bullet in the gun just for kicks? | ||
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Knightlax
United States150 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:44 Probe1 wrote: The epilogue you can read once you beat the campaign.. at the single player menu. NastyMarine: Ulrezaj was seven dark templar. None of them were Duran else he would cease is eons of existence and relevance to the plot. This is because Ulrezaj is trapped in a fucking crystal in the back ass end of Protoss space. 9/10ths of the posts here are overcomplicating the hell out of what happened. Raynor killed Tychus. Tychus is dead. Tychus is Dead There's no complication. Blizzard routinely brings people back from "the dead". We didn't see Tychus's body and therefore, assuming he's dead (especially considering Blizzard's past performance with icons like Fenix, Stukov, Tassadar, Kerrigan, etc.) takes just as much faith as saying he's alive. I mean, for cry'n out loud, Stukov exploded in a puddle of Ghost blood on your screen during the Brood War mission, but that didn't stop him from "just being shot" and later "infested". Also, the epilogue is the weakest pieces of evidence for Tychus's death and further proves the point that he may be alive. The epilogue of the mission in SC said Fenix was dead, but he wasn't. The mission following Kerrigan being left to the Swarm has Raynor saying that she was "sacrificed", i.e., dead, but she wasn't. The BW epilogue/cinimatic showed Stukov as dead, but he wasn't. The epilogue of the SC protoss campaign said Tassadar was dead, but as of WoL, he "has never tasted death", i.e., he wasn't. I don't see how you think people are complicating the information. All the information points to a very real possibility that Tychus is alive and/or seen again in some fashion. | ||
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alsowikk
109 Posts
At the end he even lets Raynor see the laser sight for about three seconds and lets him talk before firing one round. If he really wanted to he could have gone full auto and just sprayed Kerrigan and Raynor down. Tychus kind of was an unimportant character but he was at least interesting in his motivational clash. | ||
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17-Pound Trout
Korea (North)20 Posts
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CaptChaos
United States4 Posts
On August 15 2010 07:32 Jyvblamo wrote: + Show Spoiler +Given how often this game seems to like bringing back supposedly 'dead' characters + Show Spoiler + *cough kerrigan tassadar fenix overmind stukov etc* Kerrigan: Captured and infested. Fenix: It is common lore that all dragoons are just injured Protoss soldiers that have had their bodies transplanted into a dragoon exoskeleton. Overmind: A new one was formed by merging several cerebrates. *This is not a resurrection.* It never reached maturity IIRC, as it was killed. I give you Tassadar, which was a huge cliche, and Stukov, which was just dumb IMHO. But the others either have reasonable explanations (Fenix) or were never dead (Kerrigan). Or were never actually resurrected (Overmind). That being said, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to resurrect Tychus, and I have a terrible feeling that they will - despite its impossibilities. Blizzard's favorite words: Plothole, and retcon  | ||
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CaptChaos
United States4 Posts
On August 15 2010 17:31 NastyMarine wrote: Either Arcturus was already made aware of the Xel'Naga/Hybrid or Duran is pulling some serious strings in the Koprulu Sector to enhance the cycle of the Xel'Naga. What Duran is doing is not the cycle of the Xel'Naga. He is creating artificial hybrids for the enemy of the Xel'Naga. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44019 Posts
Whether it's cliche or a stupid idea is another thing, but... based on what Blizzard has been doing with previous characters, it seems like Blizzard will bring him back in one of the other two SC2 games. That's just my opinion. | ||
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Felhunter
Belgium12 Posts
So I actually already half-guessed he was going to betray Raynor (or whatever you want to call it) due to the little hints in the game I would never have picked up without reading this. Could the title please be changed, so that other people don't get the same result? EDIT: Perhaps I should make it more clear, I stumbled upon this post days ago, it's just now I'm actually posting this, couldn't really open the topic without clearing the campaign first. | ||
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Jefferson
93 Posts
the point is: women are devil! you can kill your best friend cuz of a woman! I WILL NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN! THANK YOU BLIZZARD! | ||
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Squeakyclean
United States25 Posts
On August 11 2010 06:05 Morayfire73 wrote: It was clear that before going to Char that Mengsk had no idea that the invasion would take place (cutscene right before Char). So if Mengsk had no idea that the invasion of Char would take place how could he order Tychus to kill Kerrigan? There is a gaping plot hole right there, but the only way for this to make sense is if he didn't work directly for Mengsk. Cue the Mobies Foundation, whose prime researcher is Dr. Narud + Show Spoiler + Narud=Duran + Show Spoiler + Title should be renamed This probably makes the most sense. If you've played Broodwar including the secret mission at the end you know that Duran created the hybrid. When Zeratul asks Duran what is he, Duran states, something along the lines I am older than the protoss. I was waiting for Duran to re-appear in this story but this quote makes the most sense. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. Well, if he would have killed her, the entire galaxy would have been consumed by the hybrids. Also, Jim would probably want to get his revenge, after all, he went all the way to Char just to deinfest Kerrigan. But I think Tychus was conflicted between betraying Jim and obeying Mengsk, that is why he asked. There was a small chance that Jim would agree and all would be fair and square. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On August 28 2010 08:39 Felhunter wrote: The title of this post actually ruined quite a bit of my campaign game, was randomly scrolling down to the BW section when I glanced over this by accident and for the last half I still had to do in story-mode, it left me wondering what the hell was going to happen with Tychus. So I actually already half-guessed he was going to betray Raynor (or whatever you want to call it) due to the little hints in the game I would never have picked up without reading this. Could the title please be changed, so that other people don't get the same result? EDIT: Perhaps I should make it more clear, I stumbled upon this post days ago, it's just now I'm actually posting this, couldn't really open the topic without clearing the campaign first. Come on, it was obvious that Tychus was going to betray Raynor right from the very start. | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
1) The suit as said above, would have shut down his major internal organs at the slightest attempt to break out. 2) If he told Raynor about the suit, (as Raynor already knew about it, but didn't know for what reason), he would have to tell him it was for killing Kerrigan, and if not they would probably scan the suit and figured it connected to the Dominion. Then some serious social issues would start between the two... | ||
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Lalichi
United Kingdom3 Posts
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Pobearo
United States351 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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GeMicles
Canada307 Posts
and i dont get why deutsche bags are hating on the sc2 story. i think its one of the best video game stories since hl2 and im cant wait for the next 2 installments in teh game | ||
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Sumsi
Germany593 Posts
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fawor
Poland1 Post
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
However, dead people can be brought back to life via infestation Tychus, new King of the Zerg. Coming to an expansion campaign near you soon! | ||
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
On August 11 2010 08:37 oddsprout wrote: HAHAHAHAHA man I never think about things like this. I loved hearing the idea that Tychus purposefully let Raynor make the decision to kill him instead of dying to Mengsk Yeah and how could he smoke all these cigars while inside that suit, with the ray down? I guess we just can't understand technology from decades in the future. Bit sad to see such a character as Tychus die however it was nice to see Kerrigan being saved (oh how hot did she look) maybe that's why Jim killed Tychus, so Jim could be sure to have that pussy all for himself? =P | ||
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kudlaty_true
Poland158 Posts
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Telenil
France484 Posts
1) The suit as said above, would have shut down his major internal organs at the slightest attempt to break out. We don't know whether or not it would be impossible to remove it, as the Hyperion crew members didn't even try.In fact, Tychus didn't tell them about the killing device at all, so the crew didn't know about it before Horner had a scan on Tychus. Even then, no one seems to believe Tychus might be a little unreliable if someone is pointing a charged gun on his head. Does Tychus know he has a killing thing in his armor ? If not, you should tell him. If he does, he hid it on purpose. In both cases, it's quite obvious there is something wrong going on. "Part of the deal" is hardly a satisfactory answer : if the Möbius are really interested in the artefact, they won't cancel everything just because he's out. And if they do, then it means they hide a lot of things and taking Tychus out was a good idea. Maybe it's just me, but I'd have expected a little more concern from Horner and Raynor once they knew someone has secretly designed something that might kill Tychus at any time if he keeps his armor on. Speaking of Tychus and Mengsk, why is Tychus doing the whole Media Blitz mission if it is Mengsk that can kill him? He could just have dropped a hint to whatever Dominion officer is in contact with him. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't expect to be ever released after failing to tell him about this big media bomb, even if he didn't know I was the one who made it possible. | ||
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Jeuh
United States31 Posts
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vxl
Sweden64 Posts
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des
United States507 Posts
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Azaryah
United States55 Posts
Really, I hope he stays dead. I hate seeing his face in multi-player all the time. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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H. Guderian
United States18 Posts
As to why Mengsk goes through all the trouble - One he never knew entirely for sure if the adjutant on Tarsonis had the incriminating records, or he might have. Two, at the end of BW when Kerrigan routes the UED, Dominion and Protoss fleets at the end of the game, she taunts Mengsk saying she'll let him get away and go play 'Emperor' then demonstrates what she can do by annihilating the remainder of the UED Fleet. Mengsk doesn't like Raynor. Raynor will kill Mengsk. Mengsk doesn't like Kerrigan. Kerrigan will do far worse than kill him. I think that explains why he pins his hopes on such a long shot. He can't beat her, and in the shadows she -will- come for him. Everything else comes secondary to Kerrigan. | ||
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Exe_adrian
46 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. This is the only reason why I don't believe Tycus is dead for certain, despite what the epilogue says. I mean in Starcraft 1, we were shown even a cinematic with Tassadar crashing his ship into the Overmind and the epilogue also suggested he was dead, yet "he never tasted death" as we discovered in those side quests with Protoss. And ever more, while would Blizzard bother to introduce a new character, just to kill him in the first game/campaign? Doesn't make much sense if you ask me. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. The same reason Frodo didn't ride an eagle all the way to Mordor. | ||
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Justifer
107 Posts
On September 22 2010 10:50 keV. wrote: The same reason Frodo didn't ride an eagle all the way to Mordor. I love people who keep bringing this up. First off, the eagles don't care about the troubles of mortals and they wouldn't help. Even if they did the flying nazgul would be able to prevent them. Along with the corruption of the ring the eagles would not have been able to resist the power. There were also orcs stationed on mt doom. These orcs could of shot arrows. Sauron has some control over mt doom and could cause eruptions to stop the the eagles. The ring corrupting power gets stronger as they get closer to mt doom so theres not a chance the eagles would of been able to resist. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 22 2010 12:27 Justifer wrote: I love people who keep bringing this up. First off, the eagles don't care about the troubles of mortals and they wouldn't help. Even if they did the flying nazgul would be able to prevent them. Along with the corruption of the ring the eagles would not have been able to resist the power. There were also orcs stationed on mt doom. These orcs could of shot arrows. Sauron has some control over mt doom and could cause eruptions to stop the the eagles. The ring corrupting power gets stronger as they get closer to mt doom so theres not a chance the eagles would of been able to resist. I think he is referring more to a "The Plot demanded it" sort of response. If Tychus straight up shot Kerrigan there really wouldn't be much of a HotS campaign, and the entire storyline up to that point would be thrown away immediately. Kerrigan has Plot Armor and that means Tychus could not succeed. Why he made his intentions clear was because that plot armor took over his mind and made him talk to Raynor until he was shot. Many villains suffer from the same mysterious effects of trying to harm someone who is clad in Plot Armor. | ||
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ShadowIord
Spain32 Posts
On September 22 2010 10:50 keV. wrote: The same reason Frodo didn't ride an eagle all the way to Mordor. The same reason Matrix cultivates "human" isntead cows, even when the second produce more energy than us and they do not think so cant rebel :D To have a interesting story | ||
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Asx32
Poland24 Posts
On September 22 2010 17:46 ShadowIord wrote: The same reason Matrix cultivates "human" isntead cows, even when the second produce more energy than us and they do not think so cant rebel :D To have a interesting story Nah. It's mainly because of the "old times" and what Tychus said after the bar fight. He was struggling between loyalty to Raynor and his own life. I found it interesting how Tychus tried to indirectly convince Jim that Kerrigan needs to be killed. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On September 22 2010 17:46 ShadowIord wrote: The same reason Matrix cultivates "human" isntead cows, even when the second produce more energy than us and they do not think so cant rebel :D To have a interesting story Um, the story of the matrix is basically that all life was killed once humans "darkened the sky." Only humans survived because they were intelligent/proficient enough to construct cities hidden from the robots and could survive off using nutrients to create, essentially, slop that they could eat in order to survive. Like, I get that people see it as a plot hole, but they're using bad examples against it. Also, if you really want to make up reasons behind why Tycus spoke, it could perhaps have been that he didn't want to go through with it because Jim was his friend, but was being forced to because otherwise he would have died. After all, he knew what Jim was trying to do to Kerrigan, and it would have made her no longer the threat of being the zerg queen anymore anyway. By speaking, he gave time for Jim to react, essentially sacrificing himself for his friend like he did once before already. | ||
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-Icki
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 22 2010 19:37 BlackPaladin wrote: Um, the story of the matrix is basically that all life was killed once humans "darkened the sky." Only humans survived because they were intelligent/proficient enough to construct cities hidden from the robots and could survive off using nutrients to create, essentially, slop that they could eat in order to survive. Like, I get that people see it as a plot hole, but they're using bad examples against it. Also, if you really want to make up reasons behind why Tycus spoke, it could perhaps have been that he didn't want to go through with it because Jim was his friend, but was being forced to because otherwise he would have died. After all, he knew what Jim was trying to do to Kerrigan, and it would have made her no longer the threat of being the zerg queen anymore anyway. By speaking, he gave time for Jim to react, essentially sacrificing himself for his friend like he did once before already. You should watch the animatrix before you quote stuff. On August 10 2010 20:32 Madkipz wrote: watch the end credits. He is as dead as dead can be. ;/ First with ignorance or stupidity and then with a bullet in his head. Also thanks for this post you dick, I just hunted them down on youtube and there was no shot of Tychus corpse. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Cartel
Canada255 Posts
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DKo
United States187 Posts
So I think its safe to assume that hes dead unless he gets infested or something. | ||
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. This. | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
also, i think the way raynor just shot his best friend was tactless... at least make a reference to mice and men... cmon! right in the face? you think tychus can't defend that? so since raynor can take on tychus without armor in hand-to-hand combat, he also has a better trigger reflex... raynor was a self-righteous character, and the storywriter should have known that. and now raynor has got blood on him. since raynor's a cool-tempered type, he's officially committed premeditated murder. letting tychus continue on in his suit is just a god-awful act as a friend. the whole story just plained sucked tbh.and the foreshadowing where tychus shot a marine in the face...it should have been raynor... there was no logical connect that says all ex-heaven devils like execution by face-shot..nowhere does raynor explain his actions...we just see him getting drunk...wth is up with macho yet emotionally infantile heroes...is this hemmingway we're dealing with? i actually got hopeful when Raynor zapped tychus, short-circuiting his suit. i thought oh now, he's going to get it off of him. we knew a lot about tychus; he's quite predictable, but events that happen in Wings of Liberty that shoulda rocked him emotionally a bit really left no dent at all on his suit of armor. seems like the only change that happened was that he was all cowboy in the beginning and then became a washed-up marine watching his old pal turned revolutionary doing good for society. the stuff about "he doesn't want to do with what he's got to do" doesn't sound like Tychus at all. he's the type of character to go into Valerian Mengsk ship guns blazing. if he doesn't want to do something, he won't. it would have been more in line with his character in the end for him to say, "you can go to hell arcturus" or just shot kerrigan without hesitation...kerrigan gets revived at hatcheries anyways in HoTS. there can be another story mechanism to explain that. there should have been lines like right after breaking open New Folsom, where Tychus should have been like "Dam Jimmy, could you have done that sooner." conclusion: tychus was a dead awesome character. whoever created him was a genius. however, the story seriously stagnates...I WAS HOPING FOR HIM TO FIND A WAY OUT OF HIS SUIT. instead of any attempts towards this obvious problem through 19 missions, the crowd is shown raynor (his best friend) soberly whipping a pistol on him in the face... yep he's way good at surviving... wasn't it raynor who said that? it was as if the producers want to have shorter movies. then at least put stuff like the ending clips that tell what each character is going through between missions (it can still be 3rd person limited - just make it seem like a gossip section - i liked kate lockwell episodes a lot) ... or have the characters do role-play correctly say stuff in line with what they are doing. oh and on another note, i think single player should be separate from multiplayer. it really is a movie anyways so should be priced as such. it would also help the games popularity among non-gamers to the extent where they can understand and appreciate starcraft tournaments and perhaps buy more of blizzard's starcraft products. if HotS story is as big of a flop as WoL, i would be very sad. to whom has been given much hype, much more is expected. | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
On August 11 2010 09:12 Blanke wrote: Throughout the campaign, Tychus is genuinely disturbed by the notion of infested marines. I believe this is simple foreshadowing at work. If Blizzard decides to bring him back, which is most likely since they invested so much time into his character, he will probably be infested, just like Stukov. (Removed yes, but Tychus could be the curve ball here.) As for Mengsk, I'm just utterly disappointed by how Blizzard portrayed him as an oblivious fool in SC2, which is nothing like the cold, conniving mastermind we knew and loved in SC1. For instance, the reason everyone rioted over Kate Lockwell's audio tape is because Mengsk lost his cool, rather than dismissing the tape as slanderous propoganda. Oh, and in a real dictatorship, Kate would've been imprisoned and tortured for pulling a stunt like that. The greatest fear I have for SC2's storyline, above Zeratul's abysmal voice acting and cliched dialogue, beyond the cringe-worthy one-liners constantly exchanged between Matt Horner and James Raynor, even looking past the American action movie ending of WoL, is the fate of Valerian Mengsk. Blizzard is notorious for recycling their plotlines, and has a knack for overusing betrayal. (Just look at the Warcraft Universe and count how many betrayals occur from the Titans and Old Gods to WoW Cataclysm. It's ridiculous!) Please Blizzard, please do not make Valerian Mengsk Arthas in space! i lolled while reading this, so true. next up, we have nova being betrayed (restarting the whole kerrigan cycle again). | ||
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CaptainKirk
Canada34 Posts
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
On August 12 2010 10:31 Blanke wrote: This video explains why we don't have good storytelling in video games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdG2LHair0 and this one explains why games that give us the choice between being sadistically evil and sanctimonously good are just lame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_KU3lUx3u0&feature=related I think Starcraft 2's development and writing team needs to watch both of these videos if they want to make HoTS' storyline remotely interesting. lol yea.... but sc is not a first person shooter.. it's rather original | ||
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
On June 02 2011 08:41 CaptainKirk wrote: tychus will return as infested tychus in HotS imo Rofl, I do not think you can infest a dead person can you? Only a captured or weakened one, at least that is what I think. | ||
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jorge_the_awesome
United States463 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. Oh no. Undead Tychus? | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
well fenix, kerrigain, tassadar, and stukov "came back from the dead", so why not? In fact, do any of them stay dead? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:04 MangoTango wrote: Infested Tychus in 18 months, you'll see. Doesn't anyone stay dead anymore? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Guess not. t_t | ||
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DocNemesis
Philippines446 Posts
Well, DuGaulle is dead. I doubt HE will be brought back to life anytime soon. Then again, he isn't much of an important character per se. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
Raynor shooting him in the head was merely a setback | ||
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TheGiz
Canada708 Posts
On June 07 2011 00:59 DocNemesis wrote: Well, DuGaulle is dead. I doubt HE will be brought back to life anytime soon. Then again, he isn't much of an important character per se. DuGaulle also blew up in a Battlecruiser in space, after shooting himself in the head. I doubt there was much to recover there. You're right too, he didn't serve the overall plot very much. (i.e. with him dead, the UED is no longer a threat an the Terran Campaign in Brood War was merely an aside) I think though that this is a major flaw in stories where people can cheat death by becoming some form of undead: How dead do you have to be before you can't be brought back? In any story where the form of undeath is biological (Flood, T-Virus, Zerg Infestation) that line should be pretty clearly drawn to prevent confusion and also allow for death to hold some permanence when it needs to (i.e. in Battlestar Galactica when the Cylons couldn't resurrect, you knew death was a big deal). At least I thought that the Zerg required you to be alive at least a little bit in order to infest you. Death should be more of a big deal in fiction, especially video games where writers kill its significance with ass-pulls in order to make the plot function at all. | ||
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Aeo
United States113 Posts
On June 02 2011 20:45 Munk-E wrote: well fenix, kerrigain, tassadar, and stukov "came back from the dead", so why not? In fact, do any of them stay dead? You could make a case for Tassadar's "revival" being covered by the lore. Like Adun, he channeled both the khala and void energies—when Adun did it to shroud the dark templar, he disappeared after something similar to Tassadar's exit. Not to say that Adun is alive, or that it was specifically stated that they hadn't died, but there's enough wiggle room for plausibility. | ||
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lachy89
Australia264 Posts
Knowing how stories generally go he probably just shot the gun out of his hands or something. We never actually saw him die, or even get shot. We only saw him get shot at. | ||
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xilaratu
United States233 Posts
On June 07 2011 15:14 lachy89 wrote: Did we actually see Raynor shoot Tychus? Knowing how stories generally go he probably just shot the gun out of his hands or something. We never actually saw him die, or even get shot. We only saw him get shot at. It says in the post campaign blurb "Tychus is dead" pretty specifically. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
I think though that this is a major flaw in stories where people can cheat death by becoming some form of undead: How dead do you have to be before you can't be brought back? This is exactly what bothers me. A lot.In any story where the form of undeath is biological (Flood, T-Virus, Zerg Infestation) that line should be pretty clearly drawn to prevent confusion and also allow for death to hold some permanence when it needs to (i.e. in Battlestar Galactica when the Cylons couldn't resurrect, you knew death was a big deal). At least I thought that the Zerg required you to be alive at least a little bit in order to infest you. Fenix returning as a dragoon was fine: since a dragoon can't help a dead person, you can't bring Raszagal or Aldaris back with the same trick. If you want to kill a protoss, check if he's dead, and finish him if he's not. Besides, the dragoons existed before Fenix's death, and there were thousands of them around. But any character could be brought back in a Stukov style - thankfully this retcon isn't mentionned when Hanson and Selendis argue about curing infested terrans, and I hope it never will. In my opinion, a story in which all characters can go back to life if they are popular is plain boring. Why should I care about characters that cannot be killed, even when they die? I mean yes, Raynor was very unlikely to die because he was the Relatable Guy of the original Starcraft. But Fenix still died in Brood War, so you couldn't be completely sure of that. | ||
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