EPTTychus - Why? [Spoiler] - Page 8
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des
United States507 Posts
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Azaryah
United States55 Posts
Really, I hope he stays dead. I hate seeing his face in multi-player all the time. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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H. Guderian
United States18 Posts
As to why Mengsk goes through all the trouble - One he never knew entirely for sure if the adjutant on Tarsonis had the incriminating records, or he might have. Two, at the end of BW when Kerrigan routes the UED, Dominion and Protoss fleets at the end of the game, she taunts Mengsk saying she'll let him get away and go play 'Emperor' then demonstrates what she can do by annihilating the remainder of the UED Fleet. Mengsk doesn't like Raynor. Raynor will kill Mengsk. Mengsk doesn't like Kerrigan. Kerrigan will do far worse than kill him. I think that explains why he pins his hopes on such a long shot. He can't beat her, and in the shadows she -will- come for him. Everything else comes secondary to Kerrigan. | ||
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Exe_adrian
46 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 dybydx wrote: someone pointed out that they also told us Tassadar was dead since Broodwar but then in WoL he claims he never tasted death. so ya, his death is not certain despite what the epilogue says. This is the only reason why I don't believe Tycus is dead for certain, despite what the epilogue says. I mean in Starcraft 1, we were shown even a cinematic with Tassadar crashing his ship into the Overmind and the epilogue also suggested he was dead, yet "he never tasted death" as we discovered in those side quests with Protoss. And ever more, while would Blizzard bother to introduce a new character, just to kill him in the first game/campaign? Doesn't make much sense if you ask me. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 11 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote: i don't understand why tychus made his intentions to kill kerrigan so clear. if he had simply never said anything regarding her and just shot her at the end (a natural reaction from any terran), raynor would be hard-pressed to find a reason to kill him. why would he believe mengsk would allow him to go free? he has no leverage against the man, and is actually just a horrible loose end to leave around. The same reason Frodo didn't ride an eagle all the way to Mordor. | ||
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Justifer
107 Posts
On September 22 2010 10:50 keV. wrote: The same reason Frodo didn't ride an eagle all the way to Mordor. I love people who keep bringing this up. First off, the eagles don't care about the troubles of mortals and they wouldn't help. Even if they did the flying nazgul would be able to prevent them. Along with the corruption of the ring the eagles would not have been able to resist the power. There were also orcs stationed on mt doom. These orcs could of shot arrows. Sauron has some control over mt doom and could cause eruptions to stop the the eagles. The ring corrupting power gets stronger as they get closer to mt doom so theres not a chance the eagles would of been able to resist. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 22 2010 12:27 Justifer wrote: I love people who keep bringing this up. First off, the eagles don't care about the troubles of mortals and they wouldn't help. Even if they did the flying nazgul would be able to prevent them. Along with the corruption of the ring the eagles would not have been able to resist the power. There were also orcs stationed on mt doom. These orcs could of shot arrows. Sauron has some control over mt doom and could cause eruptions to stop the the eagles. The ring corrupting power gets stronger as they get closer to mt doom so theres not a chance the eagles would of been able to resist. I think he is referring more to a "The Plot demanded it" sort of response. If Tychus straight up shot Kerrigan there really wouldn't be much of a HotS campaign, and the entire storyline up to that point would be thrown away immediately. Kerrigan has Plot Armor and that means Tychus could not succeed. Why he made his intentions clear was because that plot armor took over his mind and made him talk to Raynor until he was shot. Many villains suffer from the same mysterious effects of trying to harm someone who is clad in Plot Armor. | ||
ShadowIord
Spain32 Posts
On September 22 2010 10:50 keV. wrote: The same reason Frodo didn't ride an eagle all the way to Mordor. The same reason Matrix cultivates "human" isntead cows, even when the second produce more energy than us and they do not think so cant rebel :D To have a interesting story | ||
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Asx32
Poland24 Posts
On September 22 2010 17:46 ShadowIord wrote: The same reason Matrix cultivates "human" isntead cows, even when the second produce more energy than us and they do not think so cant rebel :D To have a interesting story Nah. It's mainly because of the "old times" and what Tychus said after the bar fight. He was struggling between loyalty to Raynor and his own life. I found it interesting how Tychus tried to indirectly convince Jim that Kerrigan needs to be killed. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On September 22 2010 17:46 ShadowIord wrote: The same reason Matrix cultivates "human" isntead cows, even when the second produce more energy than us and they do not think so cant rebel :D To have a interesting story Um, the story of the matrix is basically that all life was killed once humans "darkened the sky." Only humans survived because they were intelligent/proficient enough to construct cities hidden from the robots and could survive off using nutrients to create, essentially, slop that they could eat in order to survive. Like, I get that people see it as a plot hole, but they're using bad examples against it. Also, if you really want to make up reasons behind why Tycus spoke, it could perhaps have been that he didn't want to go through with it because Jim was his friend, but was being forced to because otherwise he would have died. After all, he knew what Jim was trying to do to Kerrigan, and it would have made her no longer the threat of being the zerg queen anymore anyway. By speaking, he gave time for Jim to react, essentially sacrificing himself for his friend like he did once before already. | ||
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-Icki
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 22 2010 19:37 BlackPaladin wrote: Um, the story of the matrix is basically that all life was killed once humans "darkened the sky." Only humans survived because they were intelligent/proficient enough to construct cities hidden from the robots and could survive off using nutrients to create, essentially, slop that they could eat in order to survive. Like, I get that people see it as a plot hole, but they're using bad examples against it. Also, if you really want to make up reasons behind why Tycus spoke, it could perhaps have been that he didn't want to go through with it because Jim was his friend, but was being forced to because otherwise he would have died. After all, he knew what Jim was trying to do to Kerrigan, and it would have made her no longer the threat of being the zerg queen anymore anyway. By speaking, he gave time for Jim to react, essentially sacrificing himself for his friend like he did once before already. You should watch the animatrix before you quote stuff. On August 10 2010 20:32 Madkipz wrote: watch the end credits. He is as dead as dead can be. ;/ First with ignorance or stupidity and then with a bullet in his head. Also thanks for this post you dick, I just hunted them down on youtube and there was no shot of Tychus corpse. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Cartel
Canada255 Posts
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DKo
United States187 Posts
So I think its safe to assume that hes dead unless he gets infested or something. | ||
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:36 Chiburi wrote: What confuses me is the apparent contradictions with Tychus's allegiance. If he was freed by Mengsk and ordered to kill Kerrigan, why was he "allowed" to pilot the Odin and subvert Mengsk? Did Mengsk somehow know that Tychus would get close enough to kill Kerrigan? If so, how? At times, Tychus is talking about only wanting to get paid, other times he wants to save humanity, and he also tries to start a coup against Raynor. His role changed too much and was too contradictory IMO. Still, he was pretty cool, in a hard-boiled sort of way. This. | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
also, i think the way raynor just shot his best friend was tactless... at least make a reference to mice and men... cmon! right in the face? you think tychus can't defend that? so since raynor can take on tychus without armor in hand-to-hand combat, he also has a better trigger reflex... raynor was a self-righteous character, and the storywriter should have known that. and now raynor has got blood on him. since raynor's a cool-tempered type, he's officially committed premeditated murder. letting tychus continue on in his suit is just a god-awful act as a friend. the whole story just plained sucked tbh.and the foreshadowing where tychus shot a marine in the face...it should have been raynor... there was no logical connect that says all ex-heaven devils like execution by face-shot..nowhere does raynor explain his actions...we just see him getting drunk...wth is up with macho yet emotionally infantile heroes...is this hemmingway we're dealing with? i actually got hopeful when Raynor zapped tychus, short-circuiting his suit. i thought oh now, he's going to get it off of him. we knew a lot about tychus; he's quite predictable, but events that happen in Wings of Liberty that shoulda rocked him emotionally a bit really left no dent at all on his suit of armor. seems like the only change that happened was that he was all cowboy in the beginning and then became a washed-up marine watching his old pal turned revolutionary doing good for society. the stuff about "he doesn't want to do with what he's got to do" doesn't sound like Tychus at all. he's the type of character to go into Valerian Mengsk ship guns blazing. if he doesn't want to do something, he won't. it would have been more in line with his character in the end for him to say, "you can go to hell arcturus" or just shot kerrigan without hesitation...kerrigan gets revived at hatcheries anyways in HoTS. there can be another story mechanism to explain that. there should have been lines like right after breaking open New Folsom, where Tychus should have been like "Dam Jimmy, could you have done that sooner." conclusion: tychus was a dead awesome character. whoever created him was a genius. however, the story seriously stagnates...I WAS HOPING FOR HIM TO FIND A WAY OUT OF HIS SUIT. instead of any attempts towards this obvious problem through 19 missions, the crowd is shown raynor (his best friend) soberly whipping a pistol on him in the face... yep he's way good at surviving... wasn't it raynor who said that? it was as if the producers want to have shorter movies. then at least put stuff like the ending clips that tell what each character is going through between missions (it can still be 3rd person limited - just make it seem like a gossip section - i liked kate lockwell episodes a lot) ... or have the characters do role-play correctly say stuff in line with what they are doing. oh and on another note, i think single player should be separate from multiplayer. it really is a movie anyways so should be priced as such. it would also help the games popularity among non-gamers to the extent where they can understand and appreciate starcraft tournaments and perhaps buy more of blizzard's starcraft products. if HotS story is as big of a flop as WoL, i would be very sad. to whom has been given much hype, much more is expected. | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
On August 11 2010 09:12 Blanke wrote: Throughout the campaign, Tychus is genuinely disturbed by the notion of infested marines. I believe this is simple foreshadowing at work. If Blizzard decides to bring him back, which is most likely since they invested so much time into his character, he will probably be infested, just like Stukov. (Removed yes, but Tychus could be the curve ball here.) As for Mengsk, I'm just utterly disappointed by how Blizzard portrayed him as an oblivious fool in SC2, which is nothing like the cold, conniving mastermind we knew and loved in SC1. For instance, the reason everyone rioted over Kate Lockwell's audio tape is because Mengsk lost his cool, rather than dismissing the tape as slanderous propoganda. Oh, and in a real dictatorship, Kate would've been imprisoned and tortured for pulling a stunt like that. The greatest fear I have for SC2's storyline, above Zeratul's abysmal voice acting and cliched dialogue, beyond the cringe-worthy one-liners constantly exchanged between Matt Horner and James Raynor, even looking past the American action movie ending of WoL, is the fate of Valerian Mengsk. Blizzard is notorious for recycling their plotlines, and has a knack for overusing betrayal. (Just look at the Warcraft Universe and count how many betrayals occur from the Titans and Old Gods to WoW Cataclysm. It's ridiculous!) Please Blizzard, please do not make Valerian Mengsk Arthas in space! i lolled while reading this, so true. next up, we have nova being betrayed (restarting the whole kerrigan cycle again). | ||
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CaptainKirk
Canada34 Posts
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