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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 06 2010 17:48 GMT
#38
you know what... I wasn't going to play since I have summer class finals, but I can't resist.

/in
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 17:10:07
July 14 2010 17:09 GMT
#101
With regards to the IT role: are you picking the target for them, or does the IT choose one person and must stick with them?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 15 2010 12:06 GMT
#131
clues always make the game more interesting, and I think it gets people to be more vocal. It's also easier to be lead astray by clues.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 17 2010 13:40 GMT
#272
On July 17 2010 19:41 XeliN wrote:
This game has finally started, been checking for ages. So no-one seems to have suggested any plan of action or srs business. In fact most of the chatter reads like the ramblings of a girls coffee morning.

I would put forward two suggestions, lynch the least active person (has it's weaknesses, specially as there is very little to talk about at this stage with no info to go on) or simply use a RNG to lynch someone and go from there.

I'd prefer the latter, everytime i've played and the town does an impulsive whim first lynch a townie always dies, using a RNG then just simply going from there seems a nice way to get over the fact we have barely anything to go on.


I agree with this...
This is the plan we should be following. However I must admit that I'm going go be inactive until tomorrow night since I'm away on vacation. No one should be casting votes yet. Everyone should be posting plans and begin talking about how the game and today's vote should be carried out. And please know that we are not going to gain any knowledge through today's vote so we may as well just understand that there's a very slim chance we will land a mafioso. The mafia members would be retarded to allow us to carry out a mafia lynch on day 1
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 17 2010 13:42 GMT
#273
Errr iPhone makes it hard to insert code. I prefer the former plan, not the latter
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 18 2010 15:53 GMT
#426
##vote: abstain.

Haven't read the thread and won't ve able to
Until later
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 18 2010 16:34 GMT
#433
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 18 2010 19:13 GMT
#450
On July 19 2010 02:27 Misder wrote:
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On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D


Why exactly do you trust Xelin out of all the players here?

As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor.

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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote:
You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back.
Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often?
I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay?

and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched...



Got a break for a minute. In every game xelin plays the most levelheaded and I know his opinions have taken serious consideration. I know it someone is going to ve good to follow it's xelin or opz
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 19 2010 16:18 GMT
#518
Brownbear should be the next person on the chopping block. I hope he knows that posts like that aren't helping in any way. I feel like there's always 2-3 people in EVERY GAME that do this crap, like as though saying you're going to catchup and not put any effort in analysis just leaving those one-liner garbage posts is going to keep you safe from a modkill.

You should not be playing to avoid a modkill, or even to avoid being slightly considered as a lynch target. Unless there's some crazy night we should focus on BrownBear.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#690
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 16:11 GMT
#705
On July 21 2010 01:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.

-_-

You said everything I was about to say...Glad I read to end of thread. Another job interview today guys, but I should be back.

I also don't like BrownBear's plan.
##Vote:BrownBear

Dunno where this will lead, but I'm willing to change my vote.


wtf dude where you getting all these job interviews from? Share the love... I only have about 1 month left before I'm officially unemployed
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 18:29 GMT
#720
On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen.

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On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:
On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something.

Tree.Hugger:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740578
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5747605http://www.teamliqhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749524uid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749520http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5750215
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5752728
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5754219[/url
post_id=5755140" target="_blank">http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755140

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5758069
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5761145


BrownBear
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205


Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly.

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This was harder than I thought . Oh well.

You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen

I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts:

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On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:

1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still!


Good post!

Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives.

I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well.

##vote LaxerCannon

He is usually more active so get to it Laxer.


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On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.

I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.

##Unvote
##vote ketomai

Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red.



Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?


Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 18:32 GMT
#721
IMO it's more likely that mafia would avoid killing a person that's drawing a lot of attention to a fellow mafia member than to just take out the threat. It raises less questions to make the attention shift from player w vs. player x to player y vs. player z
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 21:27 GMT
#743
On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:

Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia.



Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more.

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If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself.


There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out.

Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection.

What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all.

I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes."

I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.


Subversion isn't that new. He played in BM's Harry Potter mafia, not sure if he's played in others... don't discount someones skill because they haven't played mafia on these boards before.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 23:26 GMT
#763
guy. name changes aren't allowed for old dogs
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 23:27 GMT
#764
On July 21 2010 08:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you?


they picked.

vote count:
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4] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, amber, tricode)
3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
1] chaoser (pandain)
abstain] (brownbear)


im on my buddy's shitty ass comp with poor wireless, so if i missed any votes, or vote changes, pm me. i will definitely do more concise counting when i get home.


Opz voted BB too
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 16:34 GMT
#857
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 16:35 GMT
#858
*we can get more info if we lynch

hungover fml -_-
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 18:16 GMT
#871
On July 22 2010 03:00 LaXerCannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 19:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that.


This post here, to me, was the most informative. I have never had the chance to play a red role before and such added perspective really helped me decide on a lynch target. I'm also quite intrigued by why DTA didn't die yet; he's a very strong player (not so much this game though) and should be a priority kill.

##vote: DarthThienAn


If we play the game with this logic then BC should have been killed already, but he's still alive.

Opz is still alive, he's a strong player too.

What about Roffles, he's incredibly cunning and plays the part of mafioso and townie very well.

Pyrr should have been killed based upon this logic as well.

Infun should have probably been a good target.

You're playing the game very counter-intuitively. You're insisting that strong players should die, not suspicious players. DTA is playing the Chezinu card, which is common play. There's always guaranteed to be one of those idiot players in the game. The host himself has played this card before in games...

I can't believe the people that are coming forward insisting that killing subversion will gain no knowledge. Killing DTA just verifies his play-style. We can actually tie a connection between DTA and Subversion as well as the people who are trying to avoid talking about DTA at all, or those who are supporting one lynch target over another.

I'm not going to sit here and say killing DTA is wrong, he is still a target due to his play-style this game, but he's going to give us less information than lynching Subversion. Do whatever you want but don't justify your lynch vote by saying DTA is a good player and I think other people's opinions are strong, so this must be a good choice. Sheep.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 20:42 GMT
#889
Your plan is an easy-out for the Godfather as he can be checked as a veteran. We will have to check every player who claims as a vet, and when that happens and the town is organized, which will happen on day 5 or so, we will have to start lynching veterans until we spot the GF. That's really risky and doesn't put the veteran role to good use.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
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