Marauder-I have to upgrade armor or weapon first?

LuDwig-

Italy1143 Posts

March 23 2010 10:42 GMT

The idea is simple:"which is the first upgrade i have to do?"
I have made an analysis using this calculator. I have tried the marauder versus the most common units on SC2 for every race. To make the post clear i have used only upgrade on marauder (i have never used upgrade on other units!) and 0/0 means no upgrade,1/0 means weapon upgrade,0/1 means armor upgrade.

General Conclusions: Only in few situations we get an advantage with weapon upgrade(and in all the case is a real little advantage). It seems always more clever to make first the Armor upgrade.

Vs Protoss
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vs zealot
conclusion:vs a zealot army it seems more convenient the armor upgrade. If you choose weapon upgrade you will need 2 less attack for kill an opponent zealot, while if you choose armor upgrade you will need 2 more shoot for die . So you can take more hits by wrong micro without loosing your marauders.

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0/0 upgrade
DPS: 8.405 *
Time to kill: 19.21 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 17 attacks
Time to death: 8.1 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 0 Zealot(s) without dying (0 health left) **

1/0 upgrade
DPS: 9.29 *
Time to kill: 16.95 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 15 attacks
Time to death: 8.1 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 0 Zealot(s) without dying (0 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 8.405 *
Time to kill: 19.21 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 17 attacks
Time to death: 9.9 seconds *
Attacks to death: 11 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 0 Zealot(s) without dying (0 health left) **

vs sentry
conclusion armor upgrade will kill a sentry leaving more life to marauder
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0/0
DPS: 8.405 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 13.5 seconds *
Attacks to death: 18 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Sentry(s) without dying (34 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 9.29 *
Time to kill: 9.04 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 8 attacks
Time to death: 13.5 seconds *
Attacks to death: 18 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Sentry(s) without dying (41 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 8.405 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 15.75 seconds *
Attacks to death: 21 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Sentry(s) without dying (47 health left) **

vs stalker
conclusion: marauder benefits more from a weapon upgrade (they will survive with 3 more hp)
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0/0
DPS: 17.255 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 10.8 seconds *
Attacks to death: 10 attacks

Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Stalker(s) without dying (8 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 18.14 *
Time to kill: 9.04 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 8 attacks
Time to death: 10.8 seconds *
Attacks to death: 10 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Stalker(s) without dying (21 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 17.255 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 11.88 seconds *
Attacks to death: 11 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Stalker(s) without dying (17 health left) **

vs Immortal
conclusions:first upgrade seems giving no real benefit to marauders. The most advantage is given by weapon upgrade but the advantage is very little
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0/0
DPS: 44.95 *
Time to kill: 3.27 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 3 attacks
Time to death: 23.73 seconds *
Attacks to death: 21 attacks
Kill rate: one Immortal will kill 4 Marauder(s) without dying (10 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 44.95 *
Time to kill: 3.27 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 3 attacks
Time to death: 22.6 seconds *
Attacks to death: 20 attacks
Kill rate: one Immortal will kill 3 Marauder(s) without dying (160 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 44.04 *
Time to kill: 3.27 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 3 attacks
Time to death: 23.73 seconds *
Attacks to death: 21 attacks
Kill rate: one Immortal will kill 4 Marauder(s) without dying (10 health left) **

vs Terran
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vs marine
conclusions:marauders seem to take advantage only from armor upgrade
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0/0
DPS: 8.85 *
Time to kill: 5.65 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 5 attacks
Time to death: 16.25 seconds *
Attacks to death: 25 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Marine(s) without dying (5 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 9.73 *
Time to kill: 5.65 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 5 attacks
Time to death: 16.25 seconds *
Attacks to death: 25 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Marine(s) without dying (5 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 8.85 *
Time to kill: 5.65 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 5 attacks
Time to death: 20.8 seconds *
Attacks to death: 32 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Marine(s) without dying (29 health left) **

vs marauder
conclusions:no matter what, marauder will die
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0/0
DPS: 16.81 *
Time to kill: 7.91 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 7 attacks
Time to death: 7.91 seconds *
Attacks to death: 7 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 0 Marauder(s) without dying (0 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 17.7 *
Time to kill: 7.91 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 7 attacks
Time to death: 7.91 seconds *
Attacks to death: 7 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 0 Marauder(s) without dying (0 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 16.81 *
Time to kill: 7.91 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 7 attacks
Time to death: 7.91 seconds *
Attacks to death: 7 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 0 Marauder(s) without dying (0 health left) **

vs hellion
conclusions: armor upgrade gives more hp at end of combat
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0/0
DPS: 8.85 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 33.84 seconds *
Attacks to death: 18 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Hellion(s) without dying (20 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 9.73 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 33.84 seconds *
Attacks to death: 18 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Hellion(s) without dying (20 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 8.85 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 39.48 seconds *
Attacks to death: 21 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Hellion(s) without dying (35 health left) **

vs Zerg
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vs zergling
conclusions:With all upgrade you will kill two zerglings but with armor upgrade you will have more hp at the end of the battle
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0/0
DPS: 8.85 *
Time to kill: 4.52 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 4 attacks
Time to death: 16.96 seconds *
Attacks to death: 32 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Zergling(s) without dying (29 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 9.73 *
Time to kill: 4.52 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 4 attacks
Time to death: 16.96 seconds *
Attacks to death: 32 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Zergling(s) without dying (29 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 8.85 *
Time to kill: 4.52 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 4 attacks
Time to death: 22.26 seconds *
Attacks to death: 42 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 2 Zergling(s) without dying (53 health left) **

vs roach
conclusions:Also in this case the armor upgrade gives you the best!
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0/0
DPS: 15.93 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 13.5 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Roach(s) without dying (35 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 16.81 *
Time to kill: 9.04 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 8 attacks
Time to death: 13.5 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Roach(s) without dying (35 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 15.93 *
Time to kill: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 9 attacks
Time to death: 13.5 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Marauder will kill 1 Roach(s) without dying (41 health left) **

vs hydralisks
conclusions:You can't kill an hydra with your marauder but you can make her suffering with a Armor upgrade!
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0/0
DPS: 17.74 *
Time to kill: 7.44 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 12 attacks
Time to death: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Hydralisk will kill 1 Marauder(s) without dying (30 health left) **

1/0
DPS: 17.74 *
Time to kill: 7.44 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 12 attacks
Time to death: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Hydralisk will kill 1 Marauder(s) without dying (24 health left) **

0/1
DPS: 16.13 *
Time to kill: 8.06 seconds *
Attacks to kill: 13 attacks
Time to death: 10.17 seconds *
Attacks to death: 9 attacks
Kill rate: one Hydralisk will kill 1 Marauder(s) without dying (20 health left) **

micronesia

United States24768 Posts

March 23 2010 10:59 GMT

Since Marauders are ranged and usually combined with marines, doesn't that mean you should lean more towards attack upgrade more when having larger numbers?

Kare

Norway786 Posts

March 23 2010 11:02 GMT

If you go marauder heavy in tvt you probably benefit most from the armor upgrade since marines is common in that matchup.

NarutO

Germany18839 Posts

March 23 2010 11:03 GMT

You can easily just dual upgrade since the upgrades are cheap + worth it :p

NotJack

United States737 Posts

March 23 2010 11:06 GMT

+1 attack usually triumphs because of rines and stim but all this stuff is good to know.

DM20

Canada544 Posts

March 23 2010 11:06 GMT

Maybe if you are doing an early timing attack before medivac.

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

March 23 2010 11:16 GMT

There's more to it than 1 unit vs 1 unit, especially if it's ranged vs melee (vs Zealots for example) or different ranges, simply because in many cases the ranged units (or units with more range if both types are ranged) will attack all of the opponent's units at the same time, while not being damaged by all of them.

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

March 23 2010 11:25 GMT

The only way you can get the result you did in your marauder vs. roach comparison (0/0 marauder will end up with the same health left as 1/0 marauder even though it takes 1/0 marauder 1 less hit to kill a roach), is if the cooldowns line up just right so that the roach doesn't get an attack in between attacks #8 and #9 of the marauder. Otherwise, the marauder benefits more from an attack upgrade, especially considering the synergy you get from greater range + fast kills (e.g. like how a marine ball can kill a few zerglings in SC1 before they even get to melee range, or several dragoons melt before even firing against a large tank force).

I can say with a high degree of certainty that attack upgrade > armor vs. roaches.

LuDwig-

Italy1143 Posts

March 23 2010 11:33 GMT

On March 23 2010 20:16 Carnac wrote:
There's more to it than 1 unit vs 1 unit, especially if it's ranged vs melee (vs Zealots for example) or different ranges, simply because in many cases the ranged units (or units with more range if both types are ranged) will attack all of the opponent's units at the same time, while not being damaged by all of them.

obviously..but I have said that i have used a calculator..that not has groups battle or upgrade like stimpack or regeneration..

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