Mini Mafia 2

On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan.

I AM A MEDIC.

Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off.

Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding.

Why?

1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself.

2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets.

3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects.

On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Difference here is the fact that I know what I'm doing here.



[1] - We'll discuss protection options as the day draws near an end. I'm leaning towards L or Ace tonight, depending on how each plays.

[2] - I think we're at 12 (9 & 3) and this should be full reveal, not limited flip.



It does a number of things - it can provide a confirmed townie which is the worst possible thing for mafia to have to go up against, because it's someone that no matter what, they cannot push a lynch on, and worst of all - I'm not one of the top players in the game, so I'm not someone they want to waste a NK on either. Even if I'm barking up the completely wrong tree they have to try and kill me because they can't get me lynched once I'm confirmed. It forces mafia to play a guessing game. Sure, they had to play one before, but it was minimized. Now, they have to try and outguess the entire town. I can ask the town directly - who do we want to keep protected tonight and form a list. Mafia players will either have to sacrifice a potential target and put him up on the list or out themselves with a ridiculous choice and/or not post at all. Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect.

Doctor can be a much more powerful role out in the open.



I wouldn't direct a vig to hit anyone and protect that, because our vigs are one-shot. There are later plans for any vigs. Regarding the DT, I have a plan for any potential DTs we have, but that steps in on D2.



I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active.



The ability to be a confirmed townie and force mafia to adapt uncomfortably.
The ability to force mafia into a guessing game.
The ability to bring the town together and become a town leader here.



It does seem odd that no one is talking about it.



I can protect myself. That was the kicker. It might not make sense for there to be two medics, but there very well could be. We don't know, and I don't try and out-guess the mod, no matter what the most likely scenario of "who should be scum" or "Why would he do this".

@Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you.

Also, for a kill, I say if he doesn't really put effort into it, Chezinu should be the day 1 lynch. No matter what he flips, it's a win for town.

On January 06 2010 08:28 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Or I'm a medic.

And because everyone wants to know:

Yes, the plan does involve a DT R/C on me.

Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic.



Actually, I read it first used in a 12 man closed setup. No clue as to whether a GF was there or not. Could have been two medics, could have been 5. Nothing was known. This is semi-open which makes it just as effective.

Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia and my mouth could be mafia providing a plethora of problems. If I pretended to be a mouth, there could be the problem of "He might be mafia." and then I would be outed as medic sooner or later, leading to questions why I chose to fake using a mouth.



Actually, it isn't because night roles can't act yet, it's because I'm keeping mafia on their toes.



I wasn't going to claim any confirmation through a protection. I was going to wait until just before day ended and bark some orders, matter of fact.

Also, in a setup like this, as a scum-gambit to false claim doc and fake confirmation there is no major gain.

BTW, you're catching on with the last part - none of my actions fit the profile of a medic, which can cause people to question the veracity. I am the medic, but how much are the mafia going to believe that?

The plan works in a few parts. The first part is the claim. The second part is making it through the day and establishing a plan for the night in terms of protections. Third part involves a DT rolechecking me.

Day 2 I will explain at the beginning of Day 2. If I lay out the entire plan right now, the plan is lost.

On January 06 2010 09:16 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Touche.



Clarification: I could easily pick a mafioso as my mouth, and all information would flow through him, and thus to others. Generally, a mouth this early on is stupid. Is it the greatest position to leave me out in the open today? No. But I don't have to worry about going to a potential mouth, PMing him and having him not come forward with the information.

On January 07 2010 03:54 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Unfortunately the town does not see the benefits of my maneuver, but you will in time. Get me through to tomorrow and this game will be very much in our control.

Stop asking questions about the plan, because the more I lay out now, the less effective it is. Right now it is 9 hours to deadline, and a slew of people have decided to go under. Let's figure out which one of them is going to be a lynch candidate tonight, and at 10:50 PM EST I will lay out the night phase of my plan for you all to see.

I've got a pretty good feeling that this is going to catch one mafia tonight, if you just let me work my magic.

On January 07 2010 04:25 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
nemY - I honestly forgot about that. I also hadn't seen this plan in use when I had made that post, fwiw. That post was some 5 months ago. I've played about 9 games since then and read plenty more.

And this is a different plan from that, trust me :D

Scamp, I'm trying to remember the game # of where I last saw it used, when I do I'll link it.

On January 07 2010 04:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Wow. You guys are fucking retarded.

Do I have to spell out EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ACTION for you?

Because I might as well before the lynch, if you plan on killing me tonight - let me know so I can explain how this would've worked.

On January 07 2010 04:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
BTW - Ace is mafia, calling it now.

On January 07 2010 08:32 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
General responses:

I've said part of it before. The first objective of the claim was to allow me to work out in the open, scare scum and also because I do have a plan. The second objective is to put myself in a position to lead the town in the right direction, because otherwise we'd be voting to no-lynch today, which on Day 1 is an awful play.

You think it's scummy that I don't give out every detail of my plan? That's great. Unfortunately, as I've re-iterated before and I'll do again, giving out every detail of my plan makes it useless.

Let me help you all out and put this claim in perspective from both points of view:

From a Town-aligned point of view: I am a medic. I can sit back, hope not to draw too much attention to me during the day or the night and try and protect the right hits. OR I can come out in the open and claim. Thus, the mafia is now wondering a myriad of things. Am I the real medic? Am I bluffing? Can they hit me successfully? Will I protect the people I list? Will they hit the one I protect? If he's not the medic, we'll be able to get him lynched, but if he is, we might not. Do we try and kill him at night?

Now I have one-up on the mafia. I don't need to outguess them. I'll protect who I choose to and wait.

If you think a medic's only use is to absorb kills, you're dead wrong.

From a scum-aligned point of view: I am mafia. I can sit back, let town go at themselves, maybe push for a no-lynch on D1 and help us just effortlessly pick people off. Or I can claim to be a medic. I can pass on a night-kill to try and confirm myself, but people might see through that. Or I can try and waste a DT check, but they might not buy into that either. When I don't die and other people start dying, I will be questioned.

This isn't even WIFOM here, there is just no gain from a scum perspective.

On January 07 2010 09:11 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


It was just a possible way for mafia to try and confirm themselves being the medic. Obviously the vet throws it off as does the no confirmation via PM of a save.

On January 07 2010 09:18 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


There's still some 4 hours left to the day, I will though.

Any input from players on who I should protect from the town?

On January 07 2010 09:31 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
So far Ace, L, RoL, mikey, Scamp and Zato have put forth discussion and not been putting up fluff. Chez hasn't put up much and I don't like that most recent post, Malongo put in a major bullshit go with the flow post and nemY has had minimal posting. Vivi hasn't really said much and is voting Mikey for some reason which he neglected to elaborate on. HoE has very few posts.

Ace reads as mafia to me, and his opposition on malongo sounds like he's trying to sway town away from lynching who he thinks is a townie. Two motivations: 1 - he knows malongo is a townie and is trying to earn town credit by pulling off of that lynch and voicing opposition. 2 - Malongo is his mafia buddy and he doesn't want him dead.

L, Zato, Mikey and Scamp read town aligned to me, promoting decent discussion and trying to understand something. Not overly trusting or buddying, but not too paranoid.

RoL is odd. He seemed to react very emotionally to the claim, which to me is generally a town-tell. But he hasn't really tried to wrap his head around anything, which to me is generally a scum-tell. Null-read atm.

The rest are null-reads as well.

Except Malongo. He reads mafia.

On January 07 2010 09:39 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


I originally voted you to force a no-lynch and save my sorry ass from being idiot-lynched.

Now I'm voting you because your one "real" post in the thread reeked of active lurking, a wonderful scum tactic, of coming in and providing nothing but fluff and lack of contribution to the game. You barely put anything new on the table, then disappeared for a lovely 24 hours. You come back and again provide nothing new to the discussion, and get all OMGUS on me for calling you out.

On January 07 2010 09:40 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
HoE, does that answer your post?

On January 07 2010 09:46 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


The first part still reeks of anti-town nature at minimum, mafia nature more likely.

The second part - huh?

On January 07 2010 09:47 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
BTW, Ace, might want to work on getting that tunnel vision checked out.

On January 07 2010 09:52 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Generally, a player voicing opposition to a bandwagon with little case is a mafia member trying to either prevent his partner from being lynched or trying to get townie credit by opposing a wagon on a townie.

This is my experience.

Also, I see no reason to switch to RoL at the moment. He's a null read to me.

On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense.