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On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice
I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even.
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On March 11 2012 14:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice So if someone PMs you will you ignore it? Seems like an easy way to avoid pressure. PMs are better for town than they are for scum and if you're not scum you have nothing to be afraid of. In fact, talking to scum should be your first priority as town, why would you just want to PM other townies for??
No i just meant i wont be picking until day 2 or 3.
I will respond and talk to anyone that picks me whenever.
On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even.
no. more transparency and more town information the better. Say who you are sharing PM's with
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On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even.
I don't think that's necessary. It will be much more telling to see how PM lines form when left unattended by the thread. People should use their own judgment and not the wisdom of the "town". As far as being open with who you select, I can't see how that would be anything but pro-town.
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On March 11 2012 14:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote:On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even. I don't think that's necessary. It will be much more telling to see how PM lines form when left unattended by the thread. People should use their own judgment and not the wisdom of the "town". As far as being open with who you select, I can't see how that would be anything but pro-town.
I'm saying it should be an option to privately open a pm, I might not want to announce the people I trust, i feel we shouldn't be considered automatically scummy because we dont announce who we pm, there are reasons to privately open a pm like say if your convinced the person on the other end is a blue and you want to talk to them about thier findings but you dont want to broadcast them to scum.
Further more I wasnt asking we rely on the wisdom of town, I simply wanted people to announce when they've been contacted by two people and then we could know if it would be right to have that person posses a higher number of contacts than most.
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On March 11 2012 14:14 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice So if someone PMs you will you ignore it? Seems like an easy way to avoid pressure. PMs are better for town than they are for scum and if you're not scum you have nothing to be afraid of. In fact, talking to scum should be your first priority as town, why would you just want to PM other townies for?? No i just meant i wont be picking until day 2 or 3. I will respond and talk to anyone that picks me whenever. Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote:On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even. no. more transparency and more town information the better. Say who you are sharing PM's with
How bout I announce one of my pms 
Fine, I'll comply.
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Do we have to announce whose contacted us if that person hasn't gone ahead and told town who he's contacted?
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Hi,
G'evening.
I have a spreadsheet this game and I'm all set to take this on.
For transparency, I leave for Orlando Thursday, so you may see a drastically lower post count then for a while, until Monday.
Also I don't plan on announcing anyone who I PM. Good to see everyone. And I expect liars to be punished as well. Till tomorrow.
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goddamn u kids are so tryhard
this is how its gonna work
i'm gonna find the mafia, and then i'm gonna kill them. any questions? no? good.
i say we kill gumshoe for being meta
i also say we kill doctorh because i feel like it. i haven't summarily executed anyone in a while, even as a mod
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why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate?
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On March 11 2012 14:44 Mattchew wrote:
why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate?
scum can already PM each other tbh i don't see any reason for scum to hide their PM targets if you can explain why that's something scum would want to do then you should explain how it's scummy
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Well, at least everyone can agree on the accountability of people trying to lie.
Sup Sheth. Another game we play.
Why won't you reveal who you Mason up with?
From a town perspective, I can't see any real harm of letting people know who you are going to mason up with. I think scum and town can both benefit equally from using PM's, but scum benefit exponentially better if they can float PM land by masoning weaker players and trying to manipulate them.
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i think annoucing pms is fine. I think that more information only helps the town.
Also i think that we should be on top of lurkers to post content. We cant let people slide by with low post counts.
Imma encourage people to post Blazinghand style POST YOU I LYNCH YOU
And comon no one wants to kill Rg with meh XD
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On March 11 2012 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:44 Mattchew wrote:
why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate? scum can already PM each other tbh i don't see any reason for scum to hide their PM targets if you can explain why that's something scum would want to do then you should explain how it's scummy
if i see a good veteran pm a not so good newbie that will raise an alarm really quickly.
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First, let me say I'm glad we moved away from that LaL, Lynch Lurkers discussion that always seems to get rehashed every game now. I don't think it does too much for us, so I'm happy you're talking about something else now.
Secondly, I'm unsure exactly where I sit on the declaration of PM targets. As far as I know, the only game that used limited PMs like this was the one (forget the name) that I played with BC, as scum. How that worked, was we tried to get as many people as we could to PM us, while saving our own PMs for specific purposes, and we made sure not to stack targets. BC managed to get a whole bunch of people to PM him merely on the basis of being a vet, and he used that to completely screw the town. More than half of the town was talking to him, and not many of them knew that others were, which was a problem, when BC used that to leverage reads from people and tell others who to push and generally misdirect the town.
So, as I see it, there's both advantages and disadvantages to declaring who you're PMing with. Off the top of my head:
Advantages:
-Stops scum from completely spreading out their PMs, as we can see who's talking to who, and they don't want to 'waste' them, but will be forced to, or else we can use it to find scum.
-Stops any one player from gaining too much influence in the town, as we know how the connections between players are mapped.
-Scum already know who PMed them, this way, as people flip, we know who PMed scum as well.
Disadvantages:
-Makes townies talking to each other a lot weaker. For example, if two strong townies decide to PM each other and announce it, scum know they're both town, more or less, and will be sure to kill one off to stop them from forming strong analysis.
-Stops people from laying PM 'traps', that rely on a second person and the third person not knowing you two are in contact.
-Stops town 'circles' from forming. Ties into the first point.
Personally, I don't think we need to all announce who we're PMing with, so long as we're careful about it, and that's the problem. A lot of people are really dumb when it comes to using PMs, and get too comfortable with others and let things slip, or say things that they shouldn't, or let mafia influence their actions. I think the key is to just be honest. As a townie, you have nothing to hide, and nothing to worry about. Use PMs to your advantage. Use them to talk with other players, get a read on them, form analysis. DON'T use them though, to let someone else tell you what to do, or what to think. If you get uncomfortable, and think someone's trying to direct you, and maybe others, bring it up.
On March 11 2012 14:27 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 14:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote:On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote:
i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone.
I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even. I don't think that's necessary. It will be much more telling to see how PM lines form when left unattended by the thread. People should use their own judgment and not the wisdom of the "town". As far as being open with who you select, I can't see how that would be anything but pro-town. I'm saying it should be an option to privately open a pm, I might not want to announce the people I trust, i feel we shouldn't be considered automatically scummy because we dont announce who we pm, there are reasons to privately open a pm like say if your convinced the person on the other end is a blue and you want to talk to them about thier findings but you dont want to broadcast them to scum. Further more I wasnt asking we rely on the wisdom of town, I simply wanted people to announce when they've been contacted by two people and then we could know if it would be right to have that person posses a higher number of contacts than most.
PMs aren't for fishing for blues. That's not something you want to do as town, as role fishing is one of the tools scum use in PM to gain information and blue-snipe. Don't role-fish. Don't ask others to claim to you. If someone's trying to do this, they're probably scum. I'm going to repeat myself, be careful. PMs are great for town, but you have to be careful, and use them right.
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On March 11 2012 15:03 jaybrundage wrote:
i think annoucing pms is fine. I think that more information only helps the town.
Also i think that we should be on top of lurkers to post content. We cant let people slide by with low post counts.
Imma encourage people to post Blazinghand style POST YOU I LYNCH YOU
And comon no one wants to kill Rg with meh XD
Cause he hasnt talked yet ) :
Oh and caller does my meta lynch get postponed till day 2 if a better option comes up?
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Going to bed, good night everyone and good luck.
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I can't post much for tonight and first half of tomorrow (real time), but will be super free after that. I plan on activiting one of my PMs early, and one later in the game when things have fleshed out more. I've never worked with PMs extensively, but I would venture that announcing who you are PMing is not a bad thing.
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On March 11 2012 13:25 gumshoe wrote:This is my first real game, I am going to give it my all and even if things get rough I'll fight to the bitter end. You can count on me this time(if you please). I hope I can do the same for you
gumshoe did better in that game than you mattchew -.-
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On March 11 2012 15:36 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 13:25 gumshoe wrote:On March 11 2012 13:21 Mattchew wrote:
Gumshoe you gonna care this game?
This is my first real game, I am going to give it my all and even if things get rough I'll fight to the bitter end. You can count on me this time(if you please). I hope I can do the same for you gumshoe did better in that game than you mattchew -.-
i wasnt in that game?
and in the game you are refering to no he didn't
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oh right thast why i want drh dead
i have a policy of lynching the first person to use the word "pro-town." haven't been wrong once.
well, haven't been right once either.
goddamnit can we just kill this guy
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