EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 78
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 21 2012 19:15 nojitosunrise wrote: It's around 300 games to get to level 30 IIRC O nvm I just remembered that when I was about lvl 20 on EU we had those major server issues(before the server split) every night and got free IP and EXP boosts because of it every week lol. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Agree that Rengar is probably better top lane though. On August 21 2012 15:16 wussleeQ wrote: i finally won a game with a rioter in my game yay. lol i feel cursed by them sometimes. Hehe. A lot of them are like me. Too busy doing other LoL stuff to actually find time to play the game and get better. T.T On August 21 2012 17:38 wei2coolman wrote: Poppy with a shit ton of health regen is freaking hilarious. HP5 is probably the most underrated stat yet so useful in laning. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On August 21 2012 19:40 Sufficiency wrote: I really think Riot should make it easier to get to level 30. As the game is gaining popularity, it's blocking a lot of newcomers from playing the game because how long it takes simply to get to level 30. If they do that, they also need to tweek the 800-1600 elo range in ranked match making... Taking total ranked games or ranked game wins into account; or something... A 20 win player can be amongst 500+ win players and well, the two really aren't comparable. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On August 21 2012 19:40 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: A quick note about the Rengar champion spotlight. That wasn't necessarily Phreak playing Rengar in most of those clips, although they are good players on a new champion. Agree that Rengar is probably better top lane though. Hehe. A lot of them are like me. Too busy doing other LoL stuff to actually find time to play the game and get better. T.T HP5 is probably the most underrated stat yet so useful in laning. I actualy had a fun time during season 1 in 1100 elo where i played Leona solo top with stacked HP5. Being able to take short trades (dash in. blow shield, stun and walk out) while having over 50 hp5 was hilarious. Havnt tried that since the start of season 2 tho. Probably should do it again some time :p | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 21 2012 19:44 MyTHicaL wrote: If they do that, they also need to tweek the 800-1600 elo range in ranked match making... Taking total ranked games or ranked game wins into account; or something... A 20 win player can be amongst 500+ win players and well, the two really aren't comparable. I don't see the point in this. I am saying maybe one should only need 150 games to get to lvl 30 instead of 300. I think 300 is way too much. I am not saying it would take only 20 wins. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Maybe I'm just a baddie, but like honestly I get hit by it every time. Half the time the animation isn't anywhere near me, but magically it always hits me anyway. -.- Stupid Diana. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:02 iCanada wrote: I dont understand how you are supposed to dodge Diana's Q. Maybe I'm just a baddie, but like honestly I get hit by it every time. Half the time the animation isn't anywhere near me, but magically it always hits me anyway. -.- Stupid Diana. The curve that ability takes can be confusing. I believe it always curves counter clockwise so dodging the other way should help. Also since its basicly an AoE skillshot players will often aim a little ahead of you if your moving. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:02 iCanada wrote: I dont understand how you are supposed to dodge Diana's Q. Maybe I'm just a baddie, but like honestly I get hit by it every time. Half the time the animation isn't anywhere near me, but magically it always hits me anyway. -.- Stupid Diana. Since Diana is getting FP'ed alot recently I recommend you to pick stuff with strong harass/push fast (morde, cassio, malz) or has strong disables (ahri, swain). I also wonder how sion does against her, since he deals so much damage in melee range as well and can mitigate alot with his ult, passive and stronger shield. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:12 clickrush wrote: Since Diana is getting FP'ed alot recently I recommend you to pick stuff with strong harass/push fast (morde, cassio, malz) or has strong disables (ahri, swain). I also wonder how sion does against her, since he deals so much damage in melee range as well and can mitigate alot with his ult, passive and stronger shield. I was told she was a really strong laner so I picked Pantheon into her, adamant about winning my lane. Bleh, shes a really strong laner. I won... sort of... too safe, can just instaclear and never run out of mana even after we denied her blue. Felt kind of awful, in the future I'ma just pick other safe instawave clearers and forget about even acknowledging another champion there, especially since I feel like Diana can just kill a lot of champions. I'd rather lane against like Malphite or something as panth. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:02 iCanada wrote: I dont understand how you are supposed to dodge Diana's Q. Maybe I'm just a baddie, but like honestly I get hit by it every time. Half the time the animation isn't anywhere near me, but magically it always hits me anyway. -.- Stupid Diana. She's free right now. Try her out. More fun than I expected personally. Her q mana cost is way, way too low. Are there other mids you can spam your main ability starting at level 1 and not run out of mana very quickly? I cannot think of any that use mana off the top of my head. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 21 2012 21:05 JonnyLaw wrote: She's free right now. Try her out. More fun than I expected personally. Her q mana cost is way, way too low. Are there other mids you can spam your main ability starting at level 1 and not run out of mana very quickly? I cannot think of any that use mana off the top of my head. Karthus, TF (dohoho), Gragas, ... | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
Way I've been dealing with her is to: A. Forget the harass, you just need to farm as much as you can, maybe even a GP10 item if it makes sense on your champ B. Don't stand among the minions, at least make her choose between using her Q to clear the wave, or harass you, if you let her get both at the same time you're toast. C. Ward the sides. I know you should usually do it, but it's doubly important against her, especially post level 6. She can close and hold you there very easily for the jungle to catch up. D: If you don't have an escape handy, stay safe. The only mid I play who I can even trade evenly with her is Ziggs, and that's only because I can clear waves just as quickly at a big range so she can't poke me. But I can't poke back either. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Gragas q still runs you out of mana. Cost: 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 / 120 mana Magic Damage: 85 / 135 / 185 / 235 / 285 (+0.9 per ability power) W restores 30 / 45 / 60 / 75 / 90 on a 25 second cd. You don't even take a second rank until 8 if I'm not mistaken. edit - in comparison Diana's q costs 55 mana at all levels. I mean really what is that cost? With Magic Damage: 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+0.8 per ability power) Similar scaling, similar damage and max rank Diana Q has a 1 second shorter CD. I know linear comparisons don't mean a whole lot but when it's a cost difference of this magnitude it's relevant. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Ziggs Q costs 50 mana lvl1 and does 75 (+0.65) Cassio Q costs 35 mana for 75 (+0.8) dmg All those are imo also easier to hit than Diana's Q - cause once you get a hang of the curve, it's not that hard to dodge. Don't get me wrong, Diana is definetly a bit too strong, but you are acting like a spammable spell on an AP is suddenly NEW. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 21 2012 21:18 Amui wrote: karthus is 20+6. By level 9, karthus will be spending 80% the cost of diana Q every second or less. Really puts some perspective on how insanely low Diana's Q cost is. What on earth does cd matter Btw speaking of spamming you heard of Malzahar? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 21 2012 21:18 Amui wrote: karthus is 20+6. By level 9, karthus will be spending 80% the cost of diana Q every second or less. Really puts some perspective on how insanely low Diana's Q cost is. Karthus also gets mana back for every one of his last hits. You can't just compare the skills 1:1 On August 21 2012 20:02 iCanada wrote: I dont understand how you are supposed to dodge Diana's Q. Maybe I'm just a baddie, but like honestly I get hit by it every time. Half the time the animation isn't anywhere near me, but magically it always hits me anyway. -.- Stupid Diana. The tip of the crescent has a circle around it about the same size as Galio's Q (Maybe a little smaller) - Most people aren't going to aim the crescent path at you, they're going to be trying to hit you with the simpler-to-use circle. Playing her once or twice will probably help you get a better feel for how the skill actually works. It's very dodgeable. And once she's 6, you have to think about getting hit with her Q the same way you think about eating a free Morgana bind (Since when they hit Q they can do a high damage combo.) If you're eating free Qs against Diana in lane, you're GOING to lose the lane. | ||
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