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On June 25 2011 17:58 Radfield wrote:
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I've been thinking about the exact same things for the last two days

Anyways, I agree with parts of your post, and disagree with others. First, I agree with a day one policy lynch of sorts, but certainly not a policy lynch of Chez, nor any other specific player. Chez is very good at this game(pegged my BP role last game based off a single day of posting) and it seems he's not playing brown this game anyways

Typically one's goal for a Day 1 Lynch is not necessarily to find scum, but rather to get everyone's opinion and vote down on paper. However, the no-flip aspect of the game means mafia need not fear pushing a green townie to their death, as we will not be able to ascertain alignment anyways, hence mafia will likely be able to blend into a lynch much easier than normal. Second, the Majority lynch aspect makes pulling off a successful lynch much more difficult than normal, and can very likely lead to a no-lynch on Day 1.

For these reasons I think we should consider an inactivity/lurker lynch for Day 1. However, the real reason we need to consider a Day 1 lurker lynch is this: The only way we can scum hunt in this game is through post-analysis, as it will be next to impossible to do vote analysis, and we cannot rely on investigative results at all(as Gmarshal pointed out). We need to eliminate lurkers and keep the active players around, as that allows us to effectively winnow through posts and find the mafia. Obviously this is not a policy to be carried past Day 1, as I feel an effective case(read: a majority case) will be able to be presented by Day 2. But for now, getting rid of non-posters is a good use of our lynch. In the event that all 16 players are active and contributing, a no-lynch is a viable option.

Keep in mind that with a KP of only 1, we have a ton of time in this game, and can afford either a no-lynch or a lurker lynch on Day 1.

Pro's:
* Clears out lurkers, allowing high-post players to stay around, which in turn gives more content to work with
* Forces mafia to be active in order to stay alive

Con's
* Gives mafia an even easier place to hide due to the semi-policy lynch

Either way, I think we all need to realize that our only two likely options on Day 1 are No-lynch or Lurker-lynch, as getting a majority to vote for an active poster will be unlikely. It will be even more unlikely to lynch an active mafia poster, as there will be three other players defending and redirecting. Which means if we do actually lynch an active poster Day 1, it will almost surely be an active townie.


Some important points on voting: There can be absolutely no throwing around of random votes, and no adding on of a ton of suspects. We need our Day cycles to be clear and focused, with only several candidates up for discussion. If no consensus can be reached on those few targets, then a no-lynch is probably ok. Remember, we have lots of time and no-flip, so lynching someone without a good case is extremely weak in this set-up.

Anyone who flops a vote down on someone and then disappears for the rest of the cycle should be vig-juice. Everyone NEEDS to be committed to pushing their target and/or being willing to switch their vote as new info comes in. In addition, everyone should be committing to at least attempt to be around for the deadline in case addition votes are needed. Majority voting takes wayyy more effort than a standard leader-gets-lynched voting set-up.

Regarding Claims:

Fully agree with GMarshal. The easiest way to deal with dt claims is simply to lynch both parties as otherwise there is no accountability for the dt. A one for one trade is a good trade for town, but frankly this means that dts should not be claiming their results in thread unless absolutely necessary, and should only do so if they feel trading their life for the mafia players life is worth it. Preferably they simply build a good case and push for a lynch.

This basically goes for all town investigative roles(or other) that they should not be claiming results in thread. Even if you are a list-check dt(unlikely), don't bother claiming in thread, since there is no way to verify that you are legit. The chances of bogus mafia claims are far higher in this setup, as they cant be disproven through a simple lynch.

Vigs can probably feel free to claim their kill, but only if there are two kills(or more) on the board. LIkewise vets and medic-recipients can claim their hits, but again only if there is a kill missing. This set-up encourages mafia interferance like crazy, so anything we can do to minimize it is a must.

Regarding Roles:

Coroner: It's likely we have some kind of coroner role in the game(reveals the flip), but we can't rely on it. In the event that we do however, it's extremely important for the coroner to save his flip for when a dt or some other comfirmable scenario presents itself. For instance, if a dt claims Qatol is red, and we lynch Qatol, the coroner should use his ability to show that Qatol was indeed red so that we can ascertain the alignment of the dt. A coroner saving his power also limits the ability of mafia to fake claim, as their fake claims can be outted.

There is a question in my mind that it may make sense for the coroner(s) to roleclaim immediately, but I haven't thought enough about it. Feel free to weigh in on it though.

Vigilante: Please please please vigs target inactives. We need this game to be as active as possible, so it is essential that you use your hits to kill off non-posting players. The only other possible time to shoot would be to clear up claims, but that is probably less effective than lynching. Remember, we have tons of time this game, and only 1 player dies per night, so you can always wait another night to gather more info before shooting. Keep in mind that shooting brings us closer to LYLO, and that you don't even get the results of your shot(the most satisfying part)

The rest of the roles don't really matter, and with only 1 KP we probably don't have alot of vets or medics anyways.

As a bonus tidbit of info: Assuming two deaths per cycle(One Lynch, One night kill, no other KP), LYLO is day 4. If we decide to no-lynch today, that pushes LYLO back to Day 5.