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sandroba
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sandroba
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On July 10 2011 00:12 deconduo wrote: Breadcrumbing my role  There was nothing in the OP to suggest it was illegal so I feel it was kinda harsh.Yeah, I feel like that's the way ace thought to fix a bad situation, not to punish you for doing something ilegal. A better way to prevent that from happening would be to put different flavor text in the pms, but by that point that could not be changed. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 10 2011 00:12 deconduo wrote: Breadcrumbing my role There was nothing in the OP to suggest it was illegal so I feel it was kinda harsh.o.0 There is no way for a Vigilante to breadcrumb their role unless you want to somehow prove you shot someone in prior nights which is hard to justify. When you breadcrumb it means hiding results of past investigations, or past Medic protections so that when you die people can figure it out. You can't do that using a PM because no one else would know what it means unless they have the same PM or you quote it directly from the mod. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On July 10 2011 00:17 Ace wrote: o.0 There is no way for a Vigilante to breadcrumb their role unless you want to somehow prove you shot someone in prior nights which is hard to justify. When you breadcrumb it means hiding results of past investigations, or past Medic protections so that when you die people can figure it out. You can't do that using a PM because no one else would know what it means unless they have the same PM or you quote it directly from the mod. That was the point, if there was another vig in the game they would know my claim is legit. Still, it was a good game and I don't mind too much. | ||
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citi.zen
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Chezinu
United States7464 Posts
On July 10 2011 00:38 citi.zen wrote: There's no way this set-up was mafia favored in my opinion. I agree. I think it was the modkills and town lies that was mafia favored. I made a list of people that lied earlier in the thread. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On July 10 2011 00:42 Chezinu wrote: I agree. I think it was the modkills and town lies that was mafia favored. I made a list of people that lied earlier in the thread. Yep, I think it was pretty well balanced and thought out. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 10 2011 00:19 deconduo wrote: That was the point, if there was another vig in the game they would know my claim is legit. Still, it was a good game and I don't mind too much. Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account. It falls under this more so. It's kind of bullshit that you can basically auto confirm each other by using role PM's, since no one except those with the same role have any way to detect it, which is unfair and is using elements outside the game to win, which is just gay and not fun. So while you are not posting the exact PM from the host, you are posting fragments, and that would be arguing petty semantics. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
It's kind of hard to peg citi.zen's claim as fake because of the powers he claimed. No one except Scum would know RoL dying reveals flips for the rest of the game. So if anyone tried to argue with citi.zen about that then they'd have to explain where the flips came from. When ilj investigated RoL and saw Mafia Janitor that's the only hint you could have had without taking into account the way he survived a shot. Really hard to call it a fake claim because Mafia could just as easily turn around and say Palmar is lying about his Virgin role because he can't prove it while citi.zen "proved" it by virtue of being alive. In this instance arguing about whether or not it's failsafe isn't going to work very well. That's exactly my point. It's hard to peg his claim as fake because his role was just so perfect. In almost every situation that's a telltale sign of a fakeclaim. A simple check on Epic Mafia or SC2 Mafia would've pointed signals that Janitor = cleans bodies. And Janitor dies that night and bodies start flipping. AND citizen's failsafe bulletproof claim comes out. Too many coincidences. | ||
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citi.zen
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On July 09 2011 21:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You are a player I know can be good, but weren't active enough to garner a medic protect. I was really scared this game of hitting medic protection since our kills were so sparse to begin with. To survive early on you seriously need to be more active. Most players who have been around know you have the capability to be good when left alone, and you hadn't done anything majorly suspicious. So I decided to get rid of you. In future games, if I were you I would try to put on an active day 1. I know it sucks trying to be productive and look important on Day 1 with barely anything to work with, but it scares the mafia away from killing you. If they think you are good, and they think they can get away with shooting you they will do it. You need to put a little doubt in them. Thanks for the advice for future games, but in this game I actually did want to get hit. I wasn't asking about the hit because I was upset about being killed (even though I did want to play a game past night 1) but moreso I was wondering what brought on the kill. It seems you guys (or maybe just you) killed me more on reputation rather than thinking I may have a power role. But yeah, I wanted to get hit because I figured the town had to have some roles that needed time to work due to the no-flip nature of the game and as a vanilla townie I certainly wasn't going to help with any of that. | ||
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citi.zen
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Jackal58
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On July 10 2011 04:16 citi.zen wrote: It's never as easy as "lynching all claims that seem too good". Instead of trying to find magic pills, focus on general critical thinking and solid behavioral analysis - the mafia "fundamentals". Claims that are so specific and rely on so many coincidences to be irrefutable are likely to be made up. I got the idea from just reading a Mafia Scum game where Town nailed the SK because his role claim was so coincidental with what just happened in the game. Sneaking in a scum into confirmed Town status is instantly a win in lylo. And the best way to do that is a fake role that perfectly clears you as Town. | ||
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Caller
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goddamit bc goddamit | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Game starts, GM posts his grand plan. I frown and think, "WTF is this shit?". GCQ immediately quotes GM's plan and said "Did you not want to post that if you rolled mafia?". To which I promptly said, On June 25 2011 13:27 Fishball wrote: Mafia list: 1. GCQ 2. GMarshal 3. ??? 4. ??? To my amusement, both of them died on Night 0. I assumed the worst and that all 4 Mafia remained. Night 1, I questioned why no one has claimed being role blocked yet. I swear this role would have existed in Ace's game, base on what I know of Ace and what he had commented in other threads, (just like how much he dislikes Bus Drivers in his games). It would all make sense if the Role Blocker had died Night 0. Early on, most activity were people discussing GM's plan and the lynches for Day 1. I had a gut feeling people were playing into the hands of Mafia and were going in the wrong direction, so I questioned this. On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. GCQ and deconduo both jumped on my comment quickly, but deconduo's tone was much stronger. All of you already know what had developed after that, and I had explained most of my part in the game during my claim. One thing I left out is that I was to make deconduo to look like a fool as much as possible, whether he was able to kill me or not. Although I did not expect him to be a Vigilante in the first place, it surprised me even more that he managed to get himself mod-killed, to which I can only say lol, but it resulted in the better scenario for Town; The Cop lives and was able to make his move. It was true that there were 2-3 days which I was extremely busy at work early in the game. Also, I did not want to stick my head out so early just to question GM's plan in detail, especially with the sensitive role I have. Of course deconduo would not have been able to comprehend that. When it was time to get ready for Night 1, I had to do an extremely quick crunch through the thread during my lunch break to choose who to check. It boiled down to Palmar/RoL/ilovejonn. Palmar's posts has been all over the place since the beginning. From my perspective, some of his posts were either lies or bad logic, but after reading carefully, I noticed some comments he made, no Mafia would have made them so I took him off my little list. The rest is history. As fortunate that I was able to live through deconduo's death threat, it was unfortunate that GCQ was the Medic. Later knowing that Mafia had a role to check the roles of dead players, it only makes sense that Mafia would take up the odds to shoot me on Night 2. Regardless, I do not regret making that claim; I would not have let RoL lived or talked his way out. I want him lynched as quick as possible, and I was able to achieve that. I was to check ilovejonn on Night 2, and that would have cleared him if I had lived; If I had lived... of course this would be a different story, but there are no if's. It did perplex me and Ace, when Ace told me that LSB had decided to protect BC on Night 0, even though BC had not done anything. LSB later claimed he protected BC just because he was the "biggest name". lolwut? For the record and for the third time, I would have shot LSB after he had made his comment on me and deconduo.+ Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 14:27 Fishball wrote: Ah yes, LSB logic. Oh, how I miss it. 1. If deconduo decides not to shoot me, that doesn't necessarily prove anything. It can be a ploy, or it can a be a genuine decision. 2. If we both die, that also doesn't proves anything. What is this "story" that your dreamt about?. deconduo thinks I'm green, but wants to kill me because he is annoyed. If I'm Mafia and I try to take him out with me, how would this story make sense? What would be the point for Mafia to take him out if I were for sure to die? I'm sure there are better targets out there. 3. Square one? If that is what you think, then you have already written me off, as I have no use to the Town at all; What do you take me for, a disposable chess piece? I don't even know what to say. WTF is this shit? This is even worse than deconduo. If I were a Dayvig, I'd instant kill you now. BC was trying to support my claim with his own, but that move made my eyes go round. Besides the credibility of a role called "Lie Detector", his claim only drew unnecessary and unwanted suspicion onto my claim, and his, which caused Caller to shoot him. It would be best if he was able to play it out normally, as his logical self. I totally did not expect this from him. Caller, this post pretty much sums up my thoughts on him. On July 01 2011 05:47 Fishball wrote: I honestly don't think Caller is Mafia, but I also don't think he would be the 3rd party as well, due to the tight setup of this game. His posts leaves me in awe. These three has almost been echoing each other all game. On July 01 2011 05:42 Fishball wrote: sandroba, Palmar, Kurumi. You three are like triplets. Looking back, it's interesting to notice that the biggest supporters of "Lynch-the-DT-claimer-no-matter-what" plan, were GM, Radfield, and RoL, all whom are Mafia. Yeah~ Lynch the DT! | ||
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citi.zen
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Fishball
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Palmar
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Fishball
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I was afraid he was going to get lynched though. Everybody had him down as scum.
