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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 03 2012 19:47 Jackal58 wrote: Palmar night 1 and 2. That's why I figured they had a bus driver. Cause Palmar died. And I wasn't role blocked. That's also why I was positive Palmar was town. On February 03 2012 19:47 Jackal58 wrote: Palmar night 1 and 2. That's why I figured they had a bus driver. Cause Palmar died. And I wasn't role blocked. That's also why I was positive Palmar was town. But you are blatantly avoiding answering one of my questions, specifically "Did you receive any confirmation"? I've been through Paperscraps filter but I can't find any breadcrumbs about his role, it'll clearly tell us something about Paperscraps' role which will be useful. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Also, those vigilante hits. Very well done. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I might have been fast to vote Jackel, but his medic claim still confuses me... I actaully shot LSB night 2 but got my shot refunded because Node was faster. *pats self on the back* On February 03 2012 05:49 MeatlessTaco wrote: prp harped on me for pushing for a lynch, he wanted to "run the numbers", I though we could run the numbers later anyway so just get a lynch in. In that post prp called me "less than impressive" and "deliberately obtuse", which, since I was drunk, I spent 2 minutes unearthing his less than impressive play, which included the last defense anyone gave of LSB, vote loading Palmar to give mafia a chance and advocating giving away as many votes as possible which is the reason we can't be 100% sure of a victory because we had to lynch 10 votes yesterday. I also found it odd that he was asking for restraint when he was pushing for the bug's hammer quickly. When I sobered up, I realized prp is unlikely scum since the proper play for him would have been to give 1 vote to Palmar, not 5, in case they didn't get a majority right there. MeatlessTaco: Mind finding the post where prphlz defends LSB? I couldn't find it yesterday and I don't want to spend time right now looking for it. Hmm.. crazy thoughts: LSB and chaoser is scum. I suspect VE to be more likely to be scum then layabout. So VE is the third and bugs and layabout was town. Would prphlz give votes to palmar if he knew they would end up at layabout so layabout would look bad? Also do you tihnk scum had a roleblocker + a bus driver? Since palmar and paper both claimed to have been roleblocked? If yes - which one are alive? Or was the busdriving ability one time use? Or am I misunderstanding the way bus driver works? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 03 2012 21:42 prplhz wrote: But you are blatantly avoiding answering one of my questions, specifically "Did you receive any confirmation"? I've been through Paperscraps filter but I can't find any breadcrumbs about his role, it'll clearly tell us something about Paperscraps' role which will be useful. No I'm not. On February 03 2012 19:47 Jackal58 wrote: Palmar night 1 and 2. That's why I figured they had a bus driver. Cause Palmar died. And I wasn't role blocked. That's also why I was positive Palmar was town. Yes I was informed I made a successful save. | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On February 03 2012 06:39 MeatlessTaco wrote: I'm going to simplify my defense. This is my first mafia game. I was too gung-ho on the circle trade, but admitted it, and attempted to convince other people Palmar was right. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2012 22:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: I read through the thread to verify how correct I was and saw this again. The original thought I had was that I didn't think we could make an informed decision before N1 on who to give our vote to. I think this was a reasonable assumption at the time, and the first 6 posts were 6 people signing up for the Circle of Trust. The other mistake was I assumed mafia would have vote-rigging, ballot-stuffing, chad-hanging abilities. No one else has had this concern so I was likely wrong. So, do we think we can make a better than random guess during Night 1 on who to give our votes to? The Circle of Trust was never supposed to be for all game, just to limit the damage to town until we had enough information in a no-flip, closed game. My only reservation is that since mafia only has 1 KP, we might get too aggressive too quick with vigs and such blowing our loads too early. I defended VE at one point when people criticized this analysis as a reason to lynch. No one ever responded to my concerns. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2012 16:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I vote D1 we circle jerk and see what happens. Just saying "oh you know, there will be people who don't want to follow the plan" the way LSB did excuses that kind of behavior - the plan doesn't work unless we all agree to it. If we can't come to a consensus, then we're all going to just have to do whatever the fuck, and I already know where my votes are going in the event that happens. Now, the lynch. ##Vote: Paperscraps This set off alarm bells. My main problem is that he doesn't sound like someone with a town read on Palmar. He sounds like someone who already knows Palmar's alignment is town. I'm going to be honest - I'm also starting to think Palmar is town, but it's not based on a belief that I think he's acting scummy to test reactions. It could be, but that's not why. I think Palmar is town based almost exclusively on the fact that scummy players like Paperscraps are defending the way he's playing. In the first paragraph he outlines a needlessly convoluted plan with the main goal of "keeping the mafia on their toes" by "randomly choosing" who votes go to within smaller groups of townies. But in the second paragraph, he makes sure to agree with the circlejerk plan. Why? If you support the circle-voting plan then why are you coming up with more options? The day is half over bro, it's time to start thinkin about that LYNCH. But not your vote. Why? Whether we've come to a consensus on how to deal with the votes or not, we still have to lynch someone today. That starts with votes. Now, I agree that MeatlessTaco doesn't look great with his lack of reasoning for his votes and blatant sheeping, but lynch? Not to mention the fact that you're in favor of this circlejerk plan...but... It was MeatlessTaco's idea! He was the first to suggest it! If it's "the best option", then why are you the most interested in lynching the person who brought it up first? My guess? He doesn't even realize that MT brought it up first. He's just looking for the easiest target, and right now that's someone who suspects Palmar and voted risk.nuke for no reason. Paperscraps is scum Paperscraps' convoluted mini-group thing was never going to work and just impeded any kind of actual plan. He gives an inane analysis in the role of randomness in the game and then leaves an himself an out. That analysis seemed legit to the time to me. If someone wants to defend Paperscraps' post here, I would love to hear it. I was the first to say something against LSB's "everyone please trade two votes" plan + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2012 10:02 MeatlessTaco wrote: Am I taking crazy pills or is this a really bad idea? No one responded there so I waited until the night was over. Everything since then has been me trying to kill LSB and layabout due to his association with LSB. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2012 13:54 MeatlessTaco wrote: I sent 1 vote to layabout. I had a read of LSB and layabout on different teams/sides so all of this shows that pretty much all my reads were way off. On January 30 2012 19:45 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why the change of heart? ##Vote LSB My play may have been less than impressive, but I am not obtuse. Don't lynch me over a row with prp, who decided it was a good idea to shift 5 votes to the most likely mafia target. Disclaimer: I don't plan on being sober until after my days off, like 3 days from now. So, please read this entire post before wasting a lynch on me. I don't think I can do better than this post. Do the following make you think fearless/unimpressive newbie townie, or scum? LSB's plee to trade two votes, I make the crazy comment I keep bringing up the fact that it's silly to trade multiple votes away The first post of the game I advocate circle trading If I rolled scum in my first game I would have waited to talk to them to decide a strategy instead of making the first post in the game. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
We're roleclaiming because at this point we have a bunch of confirmed townies. There is little point in hiding blues to protect them anymore. Our objective is to clear as many people as possible and find scum by process of elimination. The later we claim the more dangerous it is due to no-flip. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Not that it matters but I breadcrumb my save here (wanted to make it SAVE or PROT but HEAL had easier letters): On January 30 2012 04:43 prplhz wrote: Hey  Even though you left a full 8 hours before the lynch, not pushing [UoN]Sentinel strongly at all, you feel like you can come in here and complain about it? And you don't even have a point with your complaining, only "that was bad", you don't use it for anything other than complaining for the sake of complaining. Laughable at best, not laughable at worst. @Palmar What was that game where you were Arctocod with syllogism? This wasn't for a role claim, but in case my save would overlap with a town vigilante, I would at least be able to prove my role to him if that would be beneficial at some point. The only explanation that absolves Jackal58 is that scum double stacked Palmar night1 which would give us both a save confirmation, but this makes no sense when they have a bus driver. An additional hit could have pushed town 1 step closer to LYLO instead of using it to double stack Palmar. Also, since Jackal58 received a confirmation he would 100% know that Palmar is town, then there would be no backside of trading ALL of his votes to Palmar (as I did night2). If Jackal58 would be hit then all of his votes would have been preserved for a 100% townie. If Palmar got hit then Jackal58 would get all of his votes back. Also, it should be very obvious that Palmar actually put a ton of effort into this game so it's not like Palmar would do something stupid with all the votes he received. The reason Jackal58 didn't give Palmar all of his votes night2 was that he knew that those votes were going to layabout, who would get instantly lynched so he wanted them for himself. Additionally, I thought the whole time that scum would trade a vote to Palmar night1 when they thought he was going to die since they would just get it refunded. Ask yourself this, what the hell has Jackal58 done all game? I would actually have suggested his lynch today if we weren't able to find anybody else, just because we'd most likely have to lynch him at some point anyway. Even if it is hard to tell his alignment from his "tone" I'd say that Jackal58 scumhunts more as town than as scum and he's done nothing this game. I think Jackal58 tried this rather silly gamble because he knew he was fucked with so many townies left until LYLO and how he's done absolutely nothing useful so far, unfortunately he's fucked anyway. ##Vote: Jackal58 GG Oh yeah, I protected Palmar night1 and night2, protected Node night3. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Lets hammer this. GG. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
If jackal isn't scum prphlz is and we lymch him next but i'm pretty sure jackal is the scum... | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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ZBot
194 Posts
End of Day 4 Lynched: prplhz (10): Node (6) Stolen!, Jackal58 (4) Current votes: Jackal58 (7): Dirkzor (1), prplhz (1), risk.nuke (3), [UoN]Sentinel (2) MeatlessTaco (0): Not voting: jaybrundage (1), MeatlessTaco (1), The game was up, but they all knew, innocent or guilty, they would never take him alive. prplhz stood up, all eyes on him. The tension was thick enough to cut with a knife, or perhaps the axe of an executioner. Like a flock of birds, they took flight at once, running up the stairs to the top of the city wall. An observer might not see the truth, they were not a flock of birds, but birds of prey in hot pursuit of their dinner. The chase was short. In the end there was no place to run. The pursuers halted their steps, while prplhz kept going. prplhz ran off a wall 4! It is now Night 4. The night will end 2012-02-05 10:00:37. (That's approximately 1 day, 9:06:00 from now.) | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
can we shorten the night to when all have done nightactions? | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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