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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
-'cases' instead scum read -'omgus when he defends himself -connections/entire scum team reads correct? | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Can you look at the cases on talis and reread his filter? I want your opinion on him. I really think we should lynch him. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 16 2012 04:44 Risen wrote: Going to lunch with my mentee, going to the store, then I'll be back. I'll go through and rebuild everything with Viv as a townie in mind (still... STILL hurts me on the inside that he was town and I could be so wrong. I have never felt so certain of someone being scum) Are you here now? (I think 4 hours is enough to lunch+go to the store). I really really want you to do something Risen, this "Oh no Vivax was town my life is over!" attitude of yours doesn't help (I actually find it a little weird Vivax's flip affected you so much). Like it may be too convenient if you are scum: 1)Tunnel the hell out of Vivax, post shit, sought chaos, accuse everybody that defends Vivax and just have fun disrupting the hell out of D1 all you want 2)Once Vivax flips town, be "demoralized" and "lack confidence" so you are justified in not doing shit for the rest of the game (or at least D2) and you are free to lurk all you want I know you can do that as scum Risen (some reasons I already posted here and here), so please forget about Vivax and put more effort If you are here reading the thread/filters, please post now so we know you are doing so (so we can hold you accountable that you will be posting soon). I don't want you away until way too late into the day, in case you are scum. @solstice: Please read what I posted about S&B (I think it may have described S&B's behavior quite well). I'll be waiting for your thoughts on it (I really want to see the impact it has on you and your read on S&B, and your reaction to it). | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
those two things are 1 and 2 on my list. im working nights this week so im off to bed. Will read and post from work. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I'll post my thoughts on s&b next. Please post your most current thoughts on talis. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 16 2012 09:02 sciberbia wrote: @gonzaw I'll post my thoughts on s&b next. Please post your most current thoughts on talis. I found him initially suspicious last night, and so far I didn't see anything that would change my mind from him when I skimmed the thread. But damn I still haven't finished reading the thread in its whole :/ (still haven't reached most of the cases done this day) Too little time to do everything. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 16 2012 09:19 gonzaw wrote: I found him initially suspicious last night, and so far I didn't see anything that would change my mind from him when I skimmed the thread. But damn I still haven't finished reading the thread in its whole :/ (still haven't reached most of the cases done this day) Too little time to do everything. You look extremely dodgy right now with matters involving the actual lynch and scum hunting today | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 16 2012 09:42 Mattchew wrote: You look extremely dodgy right now with matters involving the actual lynch and scum hunting today I haven't read the entire thread and I'm having doubts about some people. Some, like solstice, I want to see how he reacts about that S&B thing I mentioned to see if their reaction is legit or not. Same with austin, and Risen. I haven't looked too much into talis/Dropbear since I haven't gotten to the cases against them (the ones on this D2), so I haven't updated my thoughts on them yet. What do you mean by "dodgy" though? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 16 2012 08:25 gonzaw wrote: @austin: + Show Spoiler + I'm getting a town feel off you, but some people pointed this out and I can't help but feel it's weird: On July 14 2012 05:29 austinmcc wrote: Torn on Keirathi. He's got some townie-looking posts, but they come only after he was pressured for being too neutral and guarded. Once he posts them, he's mostly checked out. Wishing there was more to work with here. (He posted as I was writing this, need to look back over) Vivax looks scummy in his hopping around, all the meta nometa crap. But Vivax ALWAYS looks scummy to me. I mislynched him in newbie XVI, I found him scummy in LVI (alignment unknown as of yet), and so I don't really want to vote him D1. To me, he's an easy mislynch to push if I'm scum. He's so wrapped up in this person's meta or that person's meta that the scum team should be telling him to knock it off, right? There were plenty of other options for today's lynch, we had so many scattered votes at the start of the day. So why let him keep hanging himself? Don't like it. marv and solstice, how are you seeing Vivax right now? Risen still doesn't look great either. He comes back with a full scum team, an alternate scum in Gonzaw, and finds my finding him townie scummy. No activity --> 5 scum reads, with only a little reasoning backing that up. And now he tunnels Vivax, who again I always seem to find scummy and could see myself trying to mislynch if I were scum. At the moment, I'm willing to consolidate onto Vivax or Risen if needed, but probably not Keirathi in light of his most recent response(s). For now, my vote's going on solstice. Something really bugs me about him finding my early game to match my townie play. Yes, the length is always there, but my early posts were a mess. Gonzaw's right about that, marv is right that they look off. I wasn't pressured at all really in my newbie games, barring XIII which was just an odd game to play in. I think my response to a little pressure here was way off, because while I normally post lengthy, it's not so disorganized and jumbled. Concerned that he didn't pick up on that. That little thing keeps nagging at me enough that I'm willing to vote him. ##Vote: Solstice What exactly went through your mind when you made this post? Did you really think Vivax or Risen were scummy? You posted reasons why Vivax could be an "easy misslynch scum would push", but you said you'd consolidate on him, and hell you actually did later (you did change your vote on Vivax later): Two things basically: 1)What exactly had Risen and Vivax have to do with your vote choice here? Did you really think solstice was more likely scum? Why did you choose to vote him over those 2? 2)What made you vote Vivax later and not talk about it? You didn't explain anything about it, even though you actually posted some reasons not to vote Vivax. After that you never mentioned Vivax or your vote on him again. Why exactly was that? (1) Vivax So, I'm finding D1 vivax scummy, as are a lot of people. He's getting wrapped up in "meta," using it here, not there, etc. etc. He attacks milton, who is my #1 townread right now, and then backs off when milton addresses ONE of the reasons that vivax found milton scummy. But, as I said, vivax ALWAYS looks scummy to me. For best results, see the obs chat for LVI (I couldn't mention this before, because LVI was ongoing, but now I can post it - http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/hmrAdwKTNFm). Check post 20 in particular, something that stuck in my head. If you notice, I ask marv if vivax was scummy or just vivax, and I ask marv and solstice at one point for their read on vivax. Solstice made that comment, marv was active in obs chat at that point. I figured they'd know what I was referencing. Right now, he feels like one of those guys where...being scummy isn't a scumtell? If that makes sense. So I'm leaning scum, but I'd rather vote someone else.I mislynched him in Newbie XV, thought he was scum with acro (who did end up scum) in LVI, and I KNOW that solstice thinks he looks scummy all the time. Therefore, he's not my #1 vote, despite thinking he's scummy. However, if push comes to shove, and he's a leading candidate, I'm willing to vote him, because, after all, he looks scummy. Risen If you check my D1, I flop all over risen. He's scummy cuz he hasn't done much but talk about smiley faces and being nicer. He's scummy cuz he gives an excuse not to scumhunt - likes to make connection cases. Then I briefly check past D1s, lots of connections. Okay, so maybe that's true, and it's not purely an excuse not to scumhunt. Then he drops his vivax/marv/solstice/austin team suspicion. We're all circlejerked together. Marv voted solstice early, wrote a little case on him. I've been finding solstice and vivax scummy. Marv has been finding me off. Like sure, we've mentioned each other, but I'm not sure where exactly he's coming from on this. Doesn't look townish, and, while he's posting cases on vivax, he doesn't really post much on the rest of us (despite earlier saying he found my town read on him scummy, he never really gets on my case). Therefore, he's back to being kind of scummy. But he's started to get active attacking vivax, so I could leave him and not vote him for him at that point. Tbh, I'm still pretty conflicted on him. 2/4 his magical circlejerk flip town. His response? Oh man, all my reads were based on scum vivax, back the drawing board. EXACTLY what I was worried about with risen and keirathi D1, and to an extent talismania (whose reads were all based on the magical plan). Risen and keirathi both said they'd rather make reads later based on connections, so they get a free pass to throw out reads D1, then say "oh man so wrong, better engage my correct read machine," and get a free day or two where they can try to not be held responsible for their reads, or to not post many. At the same time, unlike talismania or keirathi, risen's got one post that I just absolutely can't see scum making, so he's almost entirely cleared just based on that in my head. Solstice In every other game I've played, I tunnel a townie D1. I'm looking for outright scummy behavior, I think I find it, zero in, vote em. The solstice vote is, in some ways, a response to that. I DID find his play off. I DID find it odd that he found me playing to my town meta. I was off D1. If he's the Miss Cleo of austinmcc, he should have seen that (and has since come out and said so). Marv found solstice's early play odd, and has played with or coached solstice a few times. Lazy, but strongandbig or mattchew or someone also said it felt like solstice's questions didn't have as much insight with them as a past game after doing some research. So the solstice vote is - (1) I've only played with town solstice. (2) This feels off. (3) I'm going to go with my gut here, and can consolidate onto a scummy actor if needed. It seems like you've got to slip up badly to be really scummy as scum on D1. But to be just...off? Just a little different, a little not-town? I got myself convinced that it was more likely scum was hiding out in those areas. Thus, solstice vote. (2) Vivax had been mentioned enough. I don't have anything new to add when there are 14 good cases and 14 bad cases flying around against him. So I gave a really short mentioned of him being scummy. The only new thing that I could bring to the table was the obs chat of LVI, and, as LVI was still ongoing at that point, I couldn't post it. We were already having way way way more than enough Vivax talk back and forth, and I just didn't want to add more if I couldn't post the one thing I wanted to. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
OK as it turns out I don't actually have all that much to say on strongandbig. My overall feeling is that he doesn't seem like sneaky enough of a player to post the way he has and still be scum. A lot of his posts just feel townie to me. Here are some examples of townie vibe posts. Some of these would take a rather clever & sneaky mind to fabricate. I think it's more likely they are from the heart: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 17:03 strongandbig wrote: So much for the lurking. I'm curious though - why do you accuse me of "actively" lurking? Is there a reason for you thinking I was "active" at the time of your post? Or was it just because you wanted to justify your vote on me, and "active" lurking is scummier than "normal" lurking, which is much closer to an accurate description? + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Sorry bro, but that's kind of the nature of the game I guess - any post could be made either by scum or by town? Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more townie? Meanwhile, I feel like there's something to be read in Gonzaw's post about Derpbear - I'm just not sure what. Dropbera accuses Gonzaw of tryharding overmuch, when he's just Gonzawing - then Gonzaw attacks him in a way that I'm pretty sure either exaggerates or straight up mischaracterizes dropper's tiny filter. hmmmmmmmmmmm...... I'll think some more about this later tonight. Gonzaw, have you and DropBurp ever played together before? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote: Gee how did I guess Gonzaw was gonna post a ginormous wall of text calling me scum again. It's like, if Gonzaw doesn't call you scum, you're not doing things right. ... Christ gonzaw you're frustrating. ... Yeah so Gonzaw you want me to vote for someone? Well tough fuckin' titties. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 19:23 strongandbig wrote: This post makes me doubt my scum read on keirathi a little bit. It came out quickly after drop bear's post, and I don't think that a scummy player's first reaction would be to cast doubt on someone defending him. Of course, it could be a clever gambit. It's not conclusive. + Show Spoiler + On July 14 2012 04:50 strongandbig wrote: so the vast majority of krathi's filter reads pretty scummy to me still, but him calling out derpberp for calling him town puts me in enough doubt that i dont really want to nuke him yet ##unvote ... as for solstice it's not like I think he's super townie or anything, but i'm not sold on him being scum; asking questions can imply your opinions sometimes actually wait that's a lie. i just read his filter from lvi and from noob17, and in both of those he asks questions a bunch but they feel more insightful than the ones he asks here, and he posts opinions interspersed with the questions. Plus if marv just caught a scum d1 it would mean hes probably town making my life easier (that's not true at all marv's meta is 100% to kill his teammates and we would learn nothing about him). ##unvote ##vote s0lstice umm, vivax consider yourself pressured or whatever. His whole thing about marv also seems townie to me. Either he legitametly believes that stuff, or it's just some gambit to appear pro-town. Frankly, I don't think it's a gambit. It's just too creative. @gonzaw A lot of your case on s&b is about how you find his reactions to your fos's scummy. I agree that he does seem to overreact a bit and I find this slightly suspicious. However, I think a lot of his reason for being suspicious of you is OMGUS-related, which I know can be a legit townie emotion. Especially if the person accusing you is someone you respect as a player. The one thing I really don't like about s&b is his ninja vote on vivax. He should have been more vocal before the lynch if he is townie. But I get the feeling that he wasn't all too sure of any of his reads (much like me) which could explain why he didn't post much. IN CONCLUSION A lot of strongandbig's posts feel townie to me. I do see a couple of things that seem suspicious, so I wouldn't be that surprised if s&b were scum, but I don't find the cases against him nearly convincing as the cases against talismania. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 16 2012 09:53 gonzaw wrote: I haven't read the entire thread and I'm having doubts about some people. Some, like solstice, I want to see how he reacts about that S&B thing I mentioned to see if their reaction is legit or not. Same with austin, and Risen. I haven't looked too much into talis/Dropbear since I haven't gotten to the cases against them (the ones on this D2), so I haven't updated my thoughts on them yet. What do you mean by "dodgy" though? you look like you are avoiding talking about scum hunting and cases made against people | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I'm unconvinced. I asked earlier if anyone else had scumreads on strongandbig, because when you pressure him the two of you just go off into your own little world. I didn't see anyone speak up with a nice case. Right now I've got a townread on him, stronger than the suspicion you put on him. (1) Constantly messing up everyone's names for fun is weak, but slightly town to me. I'm glad xsksc isn't in this game, though. (2) he noticed risen's weird 4 man circlejerk scumteam (but not that 2 flipped town and risen dropped all his reads, which makes this a weak point as well) (3) I like his suspicions on solstice (4) Got on your case about C9++ musings (5) That unvote --> vivax --> unvote + vote solstice post. You found the "tone" of (5) off. I see it as a stream of consciousness post from a townie. I mean, 2 votes in the same post? It really looks like he was reading through the thread or his notes, started finding solstice more scummy, and altered his post to show that, but not deleting earlier stuff. Either that's a very skilled plant from scum, or, more likely, a townie thing. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Talismania! You're it! ##vote: Talismania Short reasons (1) The other cases on him were good. I liked sciberbia's take on it. mattchew also had his, focusing on the dropbear read. The fact that multiple players are finding him scummy, based on slightly different reasoning, feels very good to me. (2) I feel bad for unvoting him kind of. I wanted him to post non-plan stuff. He gave us a post or two (one post with thoughts on everyone), I unvoted, and then he still hasn't done much at all. (3) I got my own mothereffing reasons. Check dis: I got on talis's case about the 2-part plan yesterday. I posted unclearly. It got me scrutinized. So ask yourself...what is the defining feature of talismania's play so far this game? What one thing do you associate with talismania? It's early, so this is slightly off, I know. But the main thing associated with him is his plans, our reaction to them, etc. So here, together for the very first time, for their 1 day reunion: The Many Plans of the Amazing Talismania (1) - The initial plan - + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote: pardon me for some half-assed musing: since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others). (2) - Upon nobody liking it - + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 00:00 talismania wrote: you know for all the shit that plan predictably gets at least it never fails to generate a few pages of discussion. Btw the only time people ever followed a version of it was in bastard 2, but that was because I had a gun and no one else did (and it worked then). The point of it is and always has been to see how people react to it or comply with it, not who they accuse or whatever. anyhoo I think it's kind of hilarious that literally everyone commented on it. I mean speaking of scum blending in "I agree with everyone else that talis' plan isn't good" from like ten people. And the only one who didn't go "oh that's shit" was gonzaw. Which to be honest makes me lean town on him - he comes out with three names right off the bat for a decent reason at least for that early in the game. I feel a scum player would have been more cautious. Marv shitting on the plan was fairly predictable. I read his "let's lynch talis" for it though as more out of pique than as part of a cunning scum plan though. Keep this in mind as you read through
On July 13 2012 01:37 talismania wrote: No I don't think my plan was completely bogus. A variant worked in bastard 2 as you should know. I don't think it's that terrible if everyone follows it. Did I expect people to follow it? No. Did I expect people to react? Yes of course. Not sure how useful the reactions are but you can see my handydandy summary above. On July 13 2012 03:37 talismania wrote: it's half-assed because of the form it took. what I've pushed before is "everyone make case" or "everyone list impressions" and the like. I was trying to think of a way to beat the day one doldrums somewhat and thought of that on the spot and posted it. I figured no one would agree to it but at the very least it would stir the pot. Now we see the true plan. What I call part 2. He doesn't expect people to follow it, but the real plan is to read reactions. And yes, I'm still going to call it part 2, because effectively talismania is saying that this bit was the real plan all along. (4) The plot thickens - + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 08:47 talismania wrote: @austin first as to this "two-part" business - the second part was not planned at all from the beginning. That was more of a lemonade from lemons let's see if there's anything there. If I misrepresented your post then I misrepresented it I guess? You had a few more facets in there than mattchew + marv but again why add those, especially when you acknowledge in the same post that my plan is bad "which seems to be the general sentiment" (paraphrase). Again it's less about what you say and more the fact that you said stuff at all, and how you said the stuff that seems out of place to me. secondly, wtf is voting for me without even calling me scum? All you say is that my plan is bad, ergo vote (that's my understanding I hope i'm not misrepresenting again). what? Like, show me as town why you make that oversight - failing to actually connect the dots at the end from "here's the behavior and here's why it makes him scum". Did you just forget or something? Look carefully. Read it. Left to right. The second part was not planned. This is 100000% directly super-duper the opposite of what we just learned in (2) and (3) above, where he says the whole purpose is to read reactions. Now, I've said before and I stand by this - contradictions by themselves aren't scummy. It depends on what the contradiction is about, and it depends on whether there is a scum agenda you can put behind the contradiction. I don't like talismania's, because:
Bonus point! On July 16 2012 03:42 talismania wrote: INSERT MATT'S TALISMANIA CASE HERE let me get this straight. you do nothing day one except poke and prod at people. you show up near the lynch and ask when it's happening and all that but then somehow mysteriously disappear and leave your vote on sciberbia for some reason. btw you completely haven't even talked about this since it happened. you then come into the thread like nothing has happened and copy stuff everyone else has said about me and throw it together in a case. It's like you took austin's "he talks about his plan!" and dropbear's "your case is shit" and gonzaw's "you weren't around after you made a big post" and then finished it off with sciberbia's bold red text Matt looks bad, so it's easy to turn and attack him. Also, to the extent matt's case IS a bit of chimaera of earlier cases, talismania has SOMEWHAT responded to those earlier cases. But talismania doesn't address matt on his merits AT ALL. Talismania points his cannons at MATT, not MATT'S CASE, and fires away. Me no rikey. Another one of those things that isn't all that strong in and of itself, but when added onto other things, it's bad. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
CURRENT STANCES ON TALISMANIA Mattchew: convinced he is scum sciberbia: confident he is scum austinmcc: is now voting talis gonzaw: finds talis suspicious dropbear: finds talis dogdgy Risen: has no read s&b: says case on talis is decent. awaiting updated read s0Lstice: likes cases on talis. awaiting updated read miltonkram: was extremely suspicious D1. awaiting updated read keirathi: was suspicious on D1. awaiting updated read Basically, we have a bunch of people that would like to lynch talis, a few people that haven't given reads in a while but have found talis suspicious in the past, risen with no read, and absolutely nobody that actually thinks he is town. It's clear to me that talis is both -- very likely scum -- our best lynch choice for today Therefore, I think everybody should make analyzing talis a top priority. Give your opinion on if you haven't recently. If you think he is town, speak up. If you think he is scum, vote him already. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 16 2012 08:46 Keirathi wrote: Please do. And please respond to:Sorry, I had to make an emergency trip out of town. Posting from my phone now, but I should have access to a computer later tonight so that I can catch up and post some ideas. On July 15 2012 10:19 austinmcc wrote: At this point, maybe more than one each, and more reasoning. You have been relatively inactive. You are difficult to read because of this. That is not helpful to town. You want to help town, yes?Milton and keirathi, can you give us one town read and one scum read other than dropbear, with some reasoning? Milton's last few posts are really dropbear focused, keirathi's somewhat so, would like to see more. RISEN On July 14 2012 05:42 Risen wrote: I'm convinces at this point two of viv/s0L/marv/austin have to be scum... This is so circlejerky it hurts... it's literally flooding the thread to defend vivax. On July 14 2012 14:05 Risen wrote: Snpipet from your post gonzaw "So Risen, what do you plan to do now?" I have no idea. As I said, everything I had revolved around Viv being scum. On July 16 2012 04:44 Risen wrote: You basically avoided scumhunting for half of D1. Then you posted a 4 man circlejerk list. TWO of those guys have now flipped town. And now you've avoided scumhunting for half of D2. In fact, the closest thing that you've given us to scumhunting D2 is that you still think Vivax was scum. You are difficult to read because of this. That is not helpful to town. You want to help town, yes?Going to lunch with my mentee, going to the store, then I'll be back. I'll go through and rebuild everything with Viv as a townie in mind (still... STILL hurts me on the inside that he was town and I could be so wrong. I have never felt so certain of someone being scum) | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 16 2012 11:27 austinmcc wrote: KEIRATHI Please do. And please respond to:At this point, maybe more than one each, and more reasoning. You have been relatively inactive. You are difficult to read because of this. That is not helpful to town. You want to help town, yes? RISEN You basically avoided scumhunting for half of D1. Then you posted a 4 man circlejerk list. TWO of those guys have now flipped town. And now you've avoided scumhunting for half of D2. In fact, the closest thing that you've given us to scumhunting D2 is that you still think Vivax was scum. You are difficult to read because of this. That is not helpful to town. You want to help town, yes? Yeah it's pretty bad sorry :/ I just did a quick read through on my phone and two things jump out. What could I possibly say to confirm myself as towny to you? (whoever said he has one line that p much confirms him as town in my eyes) and Mattchew is my strongest scum read. Dude is playing exactly, in my mind, how he did when we were scum together and he's probably in scum chat going "I'm the best town player this town has" (in his defense, he was probably the best town player town had when we were scum since he called out the entire scum team d1) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Some of that stuff you guys (sciberbia && austin) said makes sense. Plus what I said last night (that S&B's actions did make sense with him being overly frustrated at me, plus his suspicion of solstice and shit) it's likely he's town. Okay, 2 conundrums resolved, now onto talismania/Dropbear/solstice/Mattchew/Risen/Keirathi Just by gut feeling without reading those cases (again, sorry really don't have the time, I'm putting lots of effort in that other mafia game....hey if you guys want you can check it out if I link it to you, you can learn one thing or two  ) I get the feeling the scum are there and nowhere else.I haven't checked Milton too much, but I get a feeling he's town, specially because of his stance on talis which he changed after people pointed out how "bad" it was (in the sense that he was only talking about meta). His case on Dropbear seems legit, since I can't really see him heavily accusing someone that considers him almost confirmed town as scum. So by process of elimination (sciberbia, S&B, austin, Milton), it leaves those 6, with 3-4 anti town factions (scum+SK), so I think this day will be a good one. About Keirathi: I get the feeling Keirathi is town but I'm not that sure, I wouldn't mind leaving him for later. Basically, some of what I said earlier applies, in the sense that he didn't really try to scumhunt until being called out (by marv), and those reads seemed pretty bad (specially the one on S&B). After that he spent most of his time defending himself and not really trying to scumhunt. Plus since N1 and D2 I didn't see him do anything constructive at all (hell did he even post in D2?). His defense of Vivax could have given him town points...but I'm not sure (scum opposing a town misslynch on D1 isn't uncommon at all). There are little things that make me think he's town (I've explained them already I think), and tiny bits of reaction he made that I don't really see him making as scum. However those reactions were basically the only thing in his filter at some points, and there was very little scumhunting in between. Now that I look at the tone of his posts it seems townie too me though (gut feeling) so maybe he's likely town I just noticed this: On July 16 2012 08:46 Keirathi wrote: Sorry, I had to make an emergency trip out of town. Posting from my phone now, but I should have access to a computer later tonight so that I can catch up and post some ideas. So I guess that's the reason he wasn't active. Hmm, I'm slightly leaning town but I'm not that sure. Just like Risen I need him to actually do something today to solidify my read on him I already discussed Risen (I'm waiting for him to come back), and I'll discuss Mattchew a little bit: About Mattchew: On July 12 2012 10:44 Mattchew wrote: He wasn't pushing lurkers he was pushing people that posted that sounded excited to participate and post and then didn't. On July 12 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit I like these since they are concise and give good info. Talis plan was bad and he immediately pointed out without dragging it on. He pointed out the "root" of my accusation and basically agreed with it, even though he was one of the guys I accused (and I mentioned before I wouldn't really expect this from scum Matt, I thought he'd either ignore it or shit on it). His next posts are good as well, I like how he's not shitting on me and reads me okay by that point (that might be a little biased though ).He does make contributions that are indeed "concise" and improve town's atmosphere. He even goes to great length to defend Vivax from marv even before the Vivax wagon started. As well as his read on S&B. So far (assuming S&B is town) that would be a VERY passive game for Mattchew to make as scum, in the sense that he doesn't start shitting and accusing townies left and right, but actually making sense and getting those townies to be recognized as such. His later posts don't really seem the same way (trying to improve town), yet seem more like slightly irrelevant one-liners. Him defending Dropbear and me does seem townie though. However, after that he makes his blunder, where he posts asking for the vote count, but doesn't do shit and keeps his vote on sciberbia. I found this extremely scummy because he WAS active then and as a townie would have cared more about the lynch (and his vote), yet he didn't seem to care. I find it odd as well how now Mattchew seems to avoid that issue and not give me an explanation at all (was he really busy and in a hurry or was he lurking the thread at that point?) that could completely remove my suspicion on him (well not "completely" but I would disregard it). I don't like this drunk post at all: On July 14 2012 14:18 Mattchew wrote: Hey guys I'm. Little drunk right nowzzzz but I want to lynch Gonzaw tlmmore cause his shoot is so lo g but bad and he acts likes it good... Off he thinks vivid I'd scum he's dumber than anywenbeebebe Since I don't know wtf he's saying and why he thinks I'm scum. On July 15 2012 02:02 Mattchew wrote: Wow I guess drunk me doesn't like reading Here he posts sober but fails to explain his behaviour last day, even though he should have read that me+marv+others found it suspicious as fuck. From then he seemed less interested in improving town's atmosphere than early-D1. He didn't explain himself at all, and throughout all N1 didn't do shit. I may agree with his case on talis (need to filter talis first), but after that he doesn't really do a good job of explaining himself (about his behaviour or why he thinks I'm scum). I don't like how he's casting suspicion on me right now either, yet refuses to say anything about me or why he changed his town read on me. However, I could see town Mattchew just not caring about his D1 fluke and thinking I'm shitting up the thread about it (thus making him a little bit more suspicious of me), but those reasons above don't make me confident in thinking he's town at all, specially since I know Mattchew is capable of doing that "fluke" as scum just to skate by D1, whether other people find it scummy or not (he wouldn't really care as scum). This is why I'm torn on him, and why I wanted that explanation from him. I would also like an explanation on what he thinks of sciberbia ever since early-D1 and why he changed his mind on me (him not responding these strike me as suspicious as well, since again I can easily see scum Mattchew just not caring about it at this point). He had a good start that made me think he was town but some of his actions and behaviour made me doubt that (since scum Matthew could have just tried to appear pro-town on early-D1 like that) Holy shit that was long. Anyways, I do feel solstice+talismania are scum, and well didn't really read on Dropbear yet (or these new cases) so I'll do it shortly. I don't really know how to decipher the talis/Dropbear situation (if one is scum, or both are scum, etc), but I'll give it a try. For now I wouldn't oppose a talismania lynch at all by what I've skimmed (plus talismania has basically been useless all late-D1, and all D2 as well). I don't know if maybe I'd support a solstice lynch better, or if I change my mind and find Dropbear more scummy, but we'll see once I read the thread once and for all! Stay tuned. | ||
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##Vote: talismania Just wanted to get the vote out there for a more "official" standing of what I said before. | ||
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On July 15 2012 20:42 sciberbia wrote: 1) talismania: I really want to lynch him. 2) gonzaw: I have a few minor points against him, but other than that it's gut feeling. He reminds me a lot of mafia Xatalos from NMM XV. gonzaw and talis are linked as scumbuddies in my mind. I want to see talis flip red before we lynch gonzaw. Why is it you think me and talis are "linked as scumbuddies"? Other than that what "gut feeling" do you get about me? | ||
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