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On March 22 2011 19:06 CubEdIn wrote:
ok I see a lot of talking but no pushing/pulling.
Let me bring this back into focus, again:
People have moved without PoPs in the thread.
If we force EVERYONE to use their PoPs, we might uncover people who already did (and thus, are probably mafia).
This will only work TODAY, and this is really TIME-CONSUMING since we need to wait for Ace to update.
So, if you guys don't do this and let mafia take this away with pointless chatter, then we will have lost our chance.
Also, if we don't figure out who did it, they might also do it tomorrow, even if darmousseh lives, so he won't be able to use his power properly.
THINK, PEOPLE.
THIS is how town could best operate for today. Force EVERYONE to use their push/pull, whoever can't better have a damn good reason for it.
Don't actually kill anyone, see what Kenpachi flips as, protect darmousseh and use his ability again the next day.
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On March 22 2011 23:31 Rean wrote:
.....the fuck? Don't you think you'd want to, maaaaybe, talk that over before you do things like that, and just maybe give some sort of explanation? I mean, what's your reasoning for doing so other than " don't believe him"?
You just said people should justify their push/pulls
and then...
On March 23 2011 00:00 Rean wrote:
THIS is how town could best operate for today. Force EVERYONE to use their push/pull, whoever can't better have a damn good reason for it.
Don't actually kill anyone, see what Kenpachi flips as, protect darmousseh and use his ability again the next day.
advocates forcing people to push...
you say that you believe darm but then at the same time subtly against annul's push even though darm's red light went off. Some very interesting contradictions...
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 22 2011 23:54 Rean wrote:
Maybe wait to see what other people think about it? Maybe use his DT ability to check out someone else?
You're basically ignoring the arguments in favor of him being town (the unlikeliness of him being a mafia DT, the fact that he tried to reveal himself as a DT before being under pressure with a hidden message and the fact that several of the unconfirmed people seem to favor just killing him despite these arguments), and together with the fact that your entire gameplan seems to consist of "pressure everyone to openly reveal their roles, get as much detail of how their power works" really is making me feel like you're the godfather of the entire mafia gang.
So I'm the godfather, yet the miller claim is town?
On March 22 2011 02:39 annul wrote:
because i can prove i am not mafia, but of course i would rather not unless forced
First off, he couldn't prove he was not mafia. Secondly, if he was town he would definitely want to clear himself because it would mean darm was lying. The fact that he was reluctant to claim and then decides he is a miller is scummy.
On March 22 2011 02:56 annul wrote:
millers never get told they are millers in their role pm. ever. thats the point of being miller.
what good is mafia DT if it is only a name DT? i mean for example "warp prism toy" can be literally anything. but it turned out to just be "one time use switch positions"
Anyone notice that he isn't an alignment DT? Mafia already know everyone's alignment . A name DT would be much more useful because it allows him to select night targets and gain town cred.
On March 22 2011 08:57 annul wrote:
ever think mafia wants to kill me today so they dont have to tonight?
Seems to think he will be night hit. Does this make sense to anyone?
On March 23 2011 00:00 Rean wrote:
Don't actually kill anyone, see what Kenpachi flips as, protect darmousseh and use his ability again the next day.
How is darmousseh going to use his power tomorrow? He will be either dead or moved by a mafia ability.
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@ Kitaman: Please use your pull as well, I suggest using it on OriginalName or Insaneous, as we're keeping them in a safe buffer zone. That way Ace will be able to update with both of your moves and clear you asap.
@ Chaoser: Use your pull please. At anyone else other than the one Kita will pick, discuss before pulling.
@ Mr.Wiggles: Use your PoPs please. (anyone other than the ones above, or wait for Ace to update)
We need to do this NOW, or we'll run out of time and we won't be able to check everyone.
Stop stalling, we could've used a lot more of darmousseh's ability if people would've been more active yesterday.
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@ Kita: please stop the arguing, we need to do testing while we still can, we can argue better after we see what Kenpachi flips. Also, I suggest we kill annul anyway. Do you really think he's a DT? Why would town need a DT that returns roles and not alignment?
And even so, do you want to end up in a situation where he's still alive in the later stages of the game?
Are the rewards worth the risk? I think not.
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On March 23 2011 00:05 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 23:31 Rean wrote:
.....the fuck? Don't you think you'd want to, maaaaybe, talk that over before you do things like that, and just maybe give some sort of explanation? I mean, what's your reasoning for doing so other than " don't believe him"? You just said people should justify their push/pulls and then... A plan by town to force everyone using their pushes and pulls would count as a reason, but kitaman clearly said that he pushed because he doesn't believe annul's theory.Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 00:00 Rean wrote:
THIS is how town could best operate for today. Force EVERYONE to use their push/pull, whoever can't better have a damn good reason for it.
Don't actually kill anyone, see what Kenpachi flips as, protect darmousseh and use his ability again the next day. advocates forcing people to push... you say that you believe darm but then at the same time subtly against annul's push even though darm's red light went off. Some very interesting contradictions... I still believe darmousseh, and i also believe that annul is in fact a miller that would trigger darm's red light. Hence why i believe pushing annul would only be detrimental to town right now.
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And it's pretty freaking easy, if there's a twin boy toy, he should simply claim. You are saying that it gives mafia room to kill 2 for 1, but:
- we don't know if there's a girl toy
- if there is one, we don't know how the ability works
- even if there is, and mafia targets them, we will still have darmousseh and the mafia will not know when he turns on his ability, we can just set up the whole thing, make sure that he's in place, get someone to be tested next to him, wait, he randomly choses when to turn on his ability, one or two people should still be able to get checked.
However, I must say this game is flawed due to "real time" abilities. If town is online and mafia isn't, then we can rain hell, but Ace would need to update almost instantly. That's why yesterday we couldn't check more.
There should be a rule about updates every 4 hours or something.
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(I'm not blaming Ace, I'm just saying, the updates can work for or against anyone in the game. I know 4hours is not reasonable, so it could be 8 hours or 12 hours but random updates are weird.
Not that I disapprove though. 
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Use pulls on insanious my position is advantagous for my ability.
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On March 23 2011 00:24 OriginalName wrote:
Use pulls on insanious my position is advantagous for my ability.
Which reminds me, use your push.
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On March 23 2011 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 23:54 Rean wrote:
Maybe wait to see what other people think about it? Maybe use his DT ability to check out someone else?
You're basically ignoring the arguments in favor of him being town (the unlikeliness of him being a mafia DT, the fact that he tried to reveal himself as a DT before being under pressure with a hidden message and the fact that several of the unconfirmed people seem to favor just killing him despite these arguments), and together with the fact that your entire gameplan seems to consist of "pressure everyone to openly reveal their roles, get as much detail of how their power works" really is making me feel like you're the godfather of the entire mafia gang. So I'm the godfather, yet the miller claim is town? Good, you passed basic english reading lesson 1. That's indeed what i believe right now.Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 02:39 annul wrote:
because i can prove i am not mafia, but of course i would rather not unless forced First off, he couldn't prove he was not mafia. Secondly, if he was town he would definitely want to clear himself because it would mean darm was lying. The fact that he was reluctant to claim and then decides he is a miller is scummy. I'd assume that when saying that he didn't think we'd consider the possibility of a mafia DT.
And as for the second part, he would be hesitant to clear himself, because openly saying he's a DT would make him a high-profile mafia target. Then, when forced into a corner he gives his rather valid reasoning, that he is a miller DT, and we can't proof that he's not. Perfect mafia cover? Yes, but why would a mafia DT try to give the person he scouted a message saying he's a DT?Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 02:56 annul wrote:
millers never get told they are millers in their role pm. ever. thats the point of being miller.
what good is mafia DT if it is only a name DT? i mean for example "warp prism toy" can be literally anything. but it turned out to just be "one time use switch positions" Anyone notice that he isn't an alignment DT? Mafia already know everyone's alignment . A name DT would be much more useful because it allows him to select night targets and gain town cred. This comment isn't really my cup of tea because in the WW games where i cam from we only ever had role DT's (which would automatically also give away the alignment), but hey, even a name DT could still be a valuable asset to town. And how would a name DT be that valuable to the mafia if the roles aren't given out? I mean, look at annul's example: a warp prism toy might sounds powerful but it turned out to be pretty mediocre.Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 08:57 annul wrote:
ever think mafia wants to kill me today so they dont have to tonight? Seems to think he will be night hit. Does this make sense to anyone? Yeah, if he is a real DT, he'd be THE target to kill. The medic toy is almost certainly protecting darmousseh and taking out a DT would be a good thing to do if darmousseh is safe. Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 00:00 Rean wrote:
Don't actually kill anyone, see what Kenpachi flips as, protect darmousseh and use his ability again the next day. How is darmousseh going to use his power tomorrow? He will be either dead or moved by a mafia ability. That's a risk we'll have to take i guess.
I'm going home now, back in like 30 mins to discuss further.
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Whatever everyone pushes or pulls, please bring 2 confirmed townies next to me so that if i survive i can use my ability and obviously if there is a medic please protect me 
Tomorrow, if i'm alive I'm going to be a little sneakier about using my ability so that scum can't interfere right away. I will not announce when i turn on my ability. Look for the red lights though.
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I would recommend moving 2 confirmed towns, and 2 unconfirmed towns next to darmousseh. So when he turns his ability on we either:
1) Find 2 more town
or
2) gurantee a 50/50 shot at killing a mafia through the two that turn on the red light
This way, no matter what, when darmousseh turns on his ability, we will learn something.
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You're forgetting that the queue is randomized everyday. We'd just need to pop 2 confirmed townies near him, then pull ONE unconfirmed in (if we pull 2there's a chance we pop red light and then have mafia push darmousseh so that we don't know which of them was mafia.
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On March 23 2011 01:10 Rean wrote:
You're forgetting that the queue is randomized everyday. We'd just need to pop 2 confirmed townies near him, then pull ONE unconfirmed in (if we pull 2there's a chance we pop red light and then have mafia push darmousseh so that we don't know which of them was mafia.
yup, this is right, i am dumb .
The whole idea, is that we don't know when darmousseh is turning his ability on or not, only he will know. and turning his ability on will use his PoP. So he would have to tell us in thread that his ability is on, then hope that we can PoP before the mafia move anything and Ace is here.
Checking 2 people will give either:
1) 2 greens
2) 1 green and 1 red
3) 2 red
If there is a red light, pushing both into fire would result in a net gain for town (since there are 3 times as many town as mafia)
Checking 1 will result in
1) 1 town
or
2) 1 mafia
if 1 town, then we are a little, but not much closer to finding and killing the mafias, but it is a VERY low chance of finding a mafia in the remaining town 1 by 1.
Just by probabilities, this is easiest and fastest way to kill the mafia.
Town might not want to do this though, as it seems a little unfair to those stuck beside darmousseh.
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Well, i'd say that right about now:
ANYONE WHO POSTS FROM NOW ON, USE YOUR POPS, so we can see if the mafia's ability removes the ability to pop. If you post and don't pop anyone whatsoever, then be ready to either give a damn good reason as to why you didn't pull, or be lynched.
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##Push RoL
##Pull Insanious
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 23 2011 01:22 Rean wrote:
ANYONE WHO POSTS FROM NOW ON, USE YOUR POPS, so we can see if the mafia's ability removes the ability to pop. If you post and don't pop anyone whatsoever, then be ready to either give a damn good reason as to why you didn't pull, or be lynched.
I'll request to be pulled for ability reasons if anyone needs a target.
I will save my pull for later tonight.
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On March 23 2011 01:49 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 01:22 Rean wrote:
ANYONE WHO POSTS FROM NOW ON, USE YOUR POPS, so we can see if the mafia's ability removes the ability to pop. If you post and don't pop anyone whatsoever, then be ready to either give a damn good reason as to why you didn't pull, or be lynched. I'll request to be pulled for ability reasons if anyone needs a target. I will save my pull for later tonight.
Care to explain what that ability does, or hell, why it wouldn't end up hurting town?
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ok so, now we should wait for an update form Ace, or at least make sure you push/pull different people than the ones that have been acted upon.
We should now have (contrary to the last order Ace posted):
Rol on 9
Ins on 10
Annul on 14
If this is correct, we can cut wiggles off.
Remember though, this is not a confirmation/accusation of Reds, just a "double-check".
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