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DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
December 16 2012 10:04 GMT
#781
On December 16 2012 18:41 Argoth. wrote:
I so want a replay or VOD of that CLG.Eu vs ATN match. Must have been hilarious, Pete on sivir mid, krepo/froggen lulu/leblanc bot and jungle blitz. Still a stomp, rofl.

Stomp? The K/D/A looks like a stomp, but the game seems to have lasted 40 minutes, not really stomp length. Guess aTn was trolling just as well, just not in the picks.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
December 16 2012 11:15 GMT
#782
hopefully SKT or Fnatic wins the tournament this time.CLG EU deserve a loss this time IMO not because i hate them,Wicked still have the same champion pool and Pete only knows Ezreal/kogmaw then Froggen plays w/e he wants.IPL5 already showed their weakness and still the individual players dont upgrade themselves.
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
December 16 2012 11:55 GMT
#783
Fnatic vs MYM finals incoming! Pleeease :D
Fnatic - TSM - EG
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 12:22:45
December 16 2012 12:19 GMT
#784
On December 14 2012 00:18 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 21:32 justiceknight wrote:
On December 13 2012 18:35 IntelEM wrote:
Groups as of now are:

A: Eclypsia/Millenium, SK Telecom T1, Fnatic, mousesports
B: MeetYourMakers, CJ Entus, CLG.EU, Team ALTERNATE



ESG = SKT1 or....?


isnt ESG = Reapered's team?


Yes and yes.

I'm excited to see how CJ and SKT do against top-tier european teams. SKT has a good shot, simply because it's very hard to prepare for them (little material and tendency to make ridiculously great picks). CJ might have it harder - their weakness is pretty clear now (Longpanda on anything that's not Jax or camped even if Jax, inSec getting shut down) and teams have lots of material from OGN LTC. Both teams will face travel complications (e.g. jetlag) and experience their first trip to europe. I'm not sure about the setting - will there be spectators, booths etc? Lack of booths coupled with spectators present might be another problem.

Well, my predictions:
7-8. Mousesports, Alternate:
- (ex-)Mousesports, once hailed as one of the most promising teams in europe, has been a consistent disappointment on the international level, concluding in now being kicked from the organisation and playing their last tournament under the mouz flag. Don't see them going far.
- Alternate hasn't been doing well lately and, with them being mainly solo queue allstars, will probably be handicapped by having already acclimated to S3. Originally wanted to place them higher, but then remembered how they got manhandled by fnatic (once) and Copenhagen Wolves (thrice) at THOR Open.

5-6. Millenium, MeetYourMakers:
- the new Millenium lineup, while stacked with experienced and skilled players, will probably need some time to get comfortable playing together. Synergies between Support and AD/Jungler and Top have to be built. Players like Tabzz, Creaton and Angush have huge potential, and we might see them score an upset, but I wouldn't count on it.
- MeetYourMakers have recently delivered good results on the European circuit, competing with the big guns for those coveted qualification spots, and winning IEM Singapore (admittedly the weakest LoL LAN event in recent memory). Yet, the level at Cologne should be just a little too high for the polish team. They should be able to defeat recently-slumping aTn and can maybe score an upset against an underprepared favourite, especially CJ, but in most cases, MYM should place third in their group and therefore miss the playoffs.

4. CJ Entus:
A solid mid-tier korean team. Currently 2-3 in OGN TLC, with losses to both NaJin teams and Azubu Blaze. Can sometimes put out good performances against S-tier teams (game 1 against NaJin Sword) or, if their weaknesses are exploited correctly, get absolutely dominated. CJ Entus highly depends on their jungler, inSec, and will fall apart once inSec gets shut down. A potential weak spot is their top lane, where Longpanda looks uncomfortable when a) camped and b) not on Jax. Yet, their mechanical skill and will to take strategical risks (e.g. off-beat picks such as Shaco or Ziggs) should allow them to survive their group. I don't expect them to beat CLG.EU, so their key match will be against MYM. Good research and the effects of traveling on CJ could determine the fate of CJ in the tournament.
Past the group phase, fnatic or SKT T1 will probably be the next opponent, which could well be the end of the road for CJ - they looked lost against SKT T1 (then ESG) during the qualifier finals once ESG had them figured out, and fnatic's aggressive playstyle plus powerful top lane (similar to NaJin Sword, who 2-0'd CJ yesterday) should deal with CJ as well. In a potential third-place match, possible opponents would be again SKT T1, fnatic and CLG.EU, none of which I'd give CJ the upper hand against.

3. fnatic:
fnatic has been on a roll lately, winning Dreamhack against CLG.EU, taking an astounding second place to WE at IPL 5 and then convincingly winning THOR Open without dropping a map. Unless a major upset takes place, fnatic's progession at IEM Cologne will largely hinge on their group-stage Bo1 match against SKT1
. Beat the Koreans and their funky style, and the next opponent will probably be CJ Entus - a very winnable matchup. A loss to Reapered and his new team would possibly pit them against their european rivals in CLG.EU, maybe the most anticipated match of the tournament, and one any side could win. Well-rested, well-prepared and our for revenge, I'd give CLG.EU the edge this time around, sending fnatic to the third place match to meet CJ.

2. SKT T1:
Reapered is back in the spotlight, and he's brought a new team with him. Picked up by Korean esports giants SKT T1, they will make their first trip to Europe, and will probably bear the hope for a korean victory. While a new team, they convincingly won the Korean qualifier against Team OP (former Xenics Storm) and CJ Entus fielding exciting strategies. Unpredictable and highly skilled mechanically, they should be able to defeat M and mouz handily if traveling isn't too impactful. The match against fnatic should be close, but due to the Bo1 format and SKT T1 being relatively unknown (in relation to their skill), I'd give them the advantage. Any team but CLG.EU should be a decently easy win during the semis. Should everything go as I expect, SKT T1 will face off against CLG.EU in the finals. This would be another match hard to call, but with CLG.EU largely unimpacted by traveling, accustomed to playing on LAN conditions and probably well-prepared, they should take the series.

1. CLG.EU:
CLG.EU had a fairly disappointing last month, at least from their standards. Losing DH to fnatic (an event they expected to win without a lot of trouble) and only finishing as the #3 EU team at IPL5 (5/6th for CLG.EU, M5 ranked fourth, fnatic second) must have been disappointing. However, I expect them to enter IEM Cologne well-rested (finally back to Europe and at home after a spell at the CLG gaming house in America), well-prepared and with a thirst for vengeance. Even though a Bo1 round robin format is always dangerous, they should make it thorugh the groups with little problems. Their whole tournament hinges on whether they can finally edge out fnatic, and how their style fares against the newly formed SKT team. We might see a lot of strategical variety from CLG.EU (as announced by Krepo (?) at IPL5) to prevent teams from solely setting up to beat CLG.EU lategame. If CLG.EU is on top of their game, they enter IEM Cologne as definite title contenders, and I expect them to win, edging out both fnatic and SKT T1 in close 2-1 matches on their way to the crown.


Yea yea, FAIL. After what you wrote yourself, it was rather predictable that fnatic would be the number 1 foreign team at this tournament, no? ;-p

CLG really underperforms since quite a while. more wishful thinking they could have been going for gold here.

everything at this event is going as predicted imo
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#785
Are there VODs available ?
LasTLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States428 Posts
December 16 2012 12:56 GMT
#786
On December 16 2012 18:41 Argoth. wrote:
I so want a replay or VOD of that CLG.Eu vs ATN match. Must have been hilarious, Pete on sivir mid, krepo/froggen lulu/leblanc bot and jungle blitz. Still a stomp, rofl.


Don't think the game was streamed at all, so probably no VODs or anything.
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DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 12:58:28
December 16 2012 12:56 GMT
#787
On December 16 2012 21:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 00:18 DragoonTT wrote:
On December 13 2012 21:32 justiceknight wrote:
On December 13 2012 18:35 IntelEM wrote:
Groups as of now are:

A: Eclypsia/Millenium, SK Telecom T1, Fnatic, mousesports
B: MeetYourMakers, CJ Entus, CLG.EU, Team ALTERNATE



ESG = SKT1 or....?


isnt ESG = Reapered's team?


Yes and yes.

I'm excited to see how CJ and SKT do against top-tier european teams. SKT has a good shot, simply because it's very hard to prepare for them (little material and tendency to make ridiculously great picks). CJ might have it harder - their weakness is pretty clear now (Longpanda on anything that's not Jax or camped even if Jax, inSec getting shut down) and teams have lots of material from OGN LTC. Both teams will face travel complications (e.g. jetlag) and experience their first trip to europe. I'm not sure about the setting - will there be spectators, booths etc? Lack of booths coupled with spectators present might be another problem.

Well, my predictions:
7-8. Mousesports, Alternate:
- (ex-)Mousesports, once hailed as one of the most promising teams in europe, has been a consistent disappointment on the international level, concluding in now being kicked from the organisation and playing their last tournament under the mouz flag. Don't see them going far.
- Alternate hasn't been doing well lately and, with them being mainly solo queue allstars, will probably be handicapped by having already acclimated to S3. Originally wanted to place them higher, but then remembered how they got manhandled by fnatic (once) and Copenhagen Wolves (thrice) at THOR Open.

5-6. Millenium, MeetYourMakers:
- the new Millenium lineup, while stacked with experienced and skilled players, will probably need some time to get comfortable playing together. Synergies between Support and AD/Jungler and Top have to be built. Players like Tabzz, Creaton and Angush have huge potential, and we might see them score an upset, but I wouldn't count on it.
- MeetYourMakers have recently delivered good results on the European circuit, competing with the big guns for those coveted qualification spots, and winning IEM Singapore (admittedly the weakest LoL LAN event in recent memory). Yet, the level at Cologne should be just a little too high for the polish team. They should be able to defeat recently-slumping aTn and can maybe score an upset against an underprepared favourite, especially CJ, but in most cases, MYM should place third in their group and therefore miss the playoffs.

4. CJ Entus:
A solid mid-tier korean team. Currently 2-3 in OGN TLC, with losses to both NaJin teams and Azubu Blaze. Can sometimes put out good performances against S-tier teams (game 1 against NaJin Sword) or, if their weaknesses are exploited correctly, get absolutely dominated. CJ Entus highly depends on their jungler, inSec, and will fall apart once inSec gets shut down. A potential weak spot is their top lane, where Longpanda looks uncomfortable when a) camped and b) not on Jax. Yet, their mechanical skill and will to take strategical risks (e.g. off-beat picks such as Shaco or Ziggs) should allow them to survive their group. I don't expect them to beat CLG.EU, so their key match will be against MYM. Good research and the effects of traveling on CJ could determine the fate of CJ in the tournament.
Past the group phase, fnatic or SKT T1 will probably be the next opponent, which could well be the end of the road for CJ - they looked lost against SKT T1 (then ESG) during the qualifier finals once ESG had them figured out, and fnatic's aggressive playstyle plus powerful top lane (similar to NaJin Sword, who 2-0'd CJ yesterday) should deal with CJ as well. In a potential third-place match, possible opponents would be again SKT T1, fnatic and CLG.EU, none of which I'd give CJ the upper hand against.

3. fnatic:
fnatic has been on a roll lately, winning Dreamhack against CLG.EU, taking an astounding second place to WE at IPL 5 and then convincingly winning THOR Open without dropping a map. Unless a major upset takes place, fnatic's progession at IEM Cologne will largely hinge on their group-stage Bo1 match against SKT1
. Beat the Koreans and their funky style, and the next opponent will probably be CJ Entus - a very winnable matchup. A loss to Reapered and his new team would possibly pit them against their european rivals in CLG.EU, maybe the most anticipated match of the tournament, and one any side could win. Well-rested, well-prepared and our for revenge, I'd give CLG.EU the edge this time around, sending fnatic to the third place match to meet CJ.

2. SKT T1:
Reapered is back in the spotlight, and he's brought a new team with him. Picked up by Korean esports giants SKT T1, they will make their first trip to Europe, and will probably bear the hope for a korean victory. While a new team, they convincingly won the Korean qualifier against Team OP (former Xenics Storm) and CJ Entus fielding exciting strategies. Unpredictable and highly skilled mechanically, they should be able to defeat M and mouz handily if traveling isn't too impactful. The match against fnatic should be close, but due to the Bo1 format and SKT T1 being relatively unknown (in relation to their skill), I'd give them the advantage. Any team but CLG.EU should be a decently easy win during the semis. Should everything go as I expect, SKT T1 will face off against CLG.EU in the finals. This would be another match hard to call, but with CLG.EU largely unimpacted by traveling, accustomed to playing on LAN conditions and probably well-prepared, they should take the series.

1. CLG.EU:
CLG.EU had a fairly disappointing last month, at least from their standards. Losing DH to fnatic (an event they expected to win without a lot of trouble) and only finishing as the #3 EU team at IPL5 (5/6th for CLG.EU, M5 ranked fourth, fnatic second) must have been disappointing. However, I expect them to enter IEM Cologne well-rested (finally back to Europe and at home after a spell at the CLG gaming house in America), well-prepared and with a thirst for vengeance. Even though a Bo1 round robin format is always dangerous, they should make it thorugh the groups with little problems. Their whole tournament hinges on whether they can finally edge out fnatic, and how their style fares against the newly formed SKT team. We might see a lot of strategical variety from CLG.EU (as announced by Krepo (?) at IPL5) to prevent teams from solely setting up to beat CLG.EU lategame. If CLG.EU is on top of their game, they enter IEM Cologne as definite title contenders, and I expect them to win, edging out both fnatic and SKT T1 in close 2-1 matches on their way to the crown.


Yea yea, FAIL. After what you wrote yourself, it was rather predictable that fnatic would be the number 1 foreign team at this tournament, no? ;-p

CLG really underperforms since quite a while. more wishful thinking they could have been going for gold here.

everything at this event is going as predicted imo


I'm a pessimist, I'll probably never predict a fnatic victory unless they get into a tournament field like IEM Singapore.

And I stand by my analysis. After all the "we've traveled so far, we weren't prepared" CLG.EU threw about after DH/IPL 5, I had really hopped they'd step up their game. Falling to pieces like that versus MYM is inexcusable. Not trying to degrade MYM here - I really like that team and was waiting for them to "break out" - but I still think CLG.EU should beat them, and a huge part of their victory against CJ was CJ plain throwing the game (triple and quadra kill for Kog, anyone?)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 16 2012 13:07 GMT
#788
Oh cool. Just in time for the semifinals.
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romanov
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands892 Posts
December 16 2012 13:12 GMT
#789
I think Zenon is a really great guy but i hate his casting
Isken
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)1131 Posts
December 16 2012 13:12 GMT
#790
no pov stream? I'm addicted to this
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 16 2012 13:12 GMT
#791
FP TF still. >_<
Granted Dade did a ton better than MighTiLy.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 13:13:58
December 16 2012 13:13 GMT
#792
Game 1
Fnatic vs. CJ
Bans:
Singed        Lee
Eve        Ori
Rengar        Cho

Picks:
Zyra              TF / Olaf
Ez / Kat        Cait / Nunu
Mundo / Shen        Jax
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DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
December 16 2012 13:14 GMT
#793
CJ probably going to try swapping Cait/Nunu into mid, Jax into wherever Ez/Zyra go, and TF into Shen. If they don't, everything depends on inSec.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 16 2012 13:15 GMT
#794
With no exhaust fnatic might have trouble late game .
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 16 2012 13:18 GMT
#795
I feel as if soaz will make longpanda revert to his current ogn form.
Glorious SEA doto
Isken
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)1131 Posts
December 16 2012 13:18 GMT
#796
On December 16 2012 22:12 Isken wrote:
no pov stream? I'm addicted to this

pov1 is xpeke's katarina
pov2 is reapered's jax
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
December 16 2012 13:18 GMT
#797
On December 16 2012 22:18 Fusilero wrote:
I feel as if soaz will make longpanda revert to his current ogn form.

I hope so. Can't wait to hear what Doa/MonteCristo would have to say about that, too!
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
December 16 2012 13:23 GMT
#798
so, no streamlink for TL?
http://esl.tv/channel/esltvlol/ anyways
Fnatic - TSM - EG
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 13:27:51
December 16 2012 13:26 GMT
#799
That was a nice wraith steal from dade.
And the nightmare of longpanda commences.
Glorious SEA doto
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
December 16 2012 13:28 GMT
#800
bigbigbigibigibigig plays by S0az.

dat juke
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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