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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On January 09 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not quite sure where this should be discussed, but one problem I've noticed over the course of the last few games is that different hosts have different policies when dealing with deadline actions. For example, if the deadline were 9:00, some allow players to submit actions and count votes at exactly 9:00, while others only allow them at 8:59, but no later. In the most recent game, people were announcing their vig shots, thinking the deadline had been reached, when in reality, the scum team could respond and change their roleblock if they were quick enough. I think if we had a consistent deadline policy for all hosts, we won't have to worry about running into any problems in the future. Time Cycle: This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. Good? I doubt there will be much debate on this; it's a matter of consistency more than anything else. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Something about it is illegal to take screenshots to document anything. What about it? It just happened in TL Mafia L so those guys can't really talk about it but I think it sucks since you can't really fake PMs anymore with this. Of course people could fake the screenshots but that takes a lot of technical ability and that's not really what this game is about. People should stick to posting (easily forgeable) text logs if they want to "document" anything. Yea that's about it. I'm quite sure I've complained about this once before and people told me that I was a crazy man but I kinda like to take it up again because I'm really against screenshots of anything, inboxes, QuickTopics, chatlogs, anything. The idea is that textual evidence is easier to forge, anybody who can type can forge it. This makes any such evidence a subject for discussion and behavioral analysis. Any screenshots will not be subject to any discussion about the authenticity if it, and if it is it's going to be about some of the pixels, and that's not what mafia is about in my opinion. Also, just because I remembered this problem again because of TL Mafia L, it is in no way bashing neither Mattchew nor flamewheel. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 15 2012 07:33 Kurumi wrote: Not waste KP on me, but deny them additional 0.5KP from recruit the Traitor. I don't say it's scummy to think I am traitor. It means I've done good job. The problem with Your case is that You point out the "Pokemon hint" while it's not related to my traitor plan(it was just me roleplaying a Pokemon Trainer Joey). I understand people could get suspicious because of my trolling, but not because I was talking about Rattata damnit. That's I think it's scummy. It's like taking one word out of entire case and saying it's wrong. What I think: If I were really the traitor, I would've picked different thing to roleplay. It wouldn't be Pokemon Trainer Joey and Salvatore but someone like Illidan or Team Rocket Member(and probably go for a Zubat). I trolled to make me look like a traitor. I haven't done it subtle or correctly: character's I've played were neutral or stupid. If I were the real traitor I'd probably try to stay hidden and hint things from time to time, not risk my damn Blue life and troll hard. I thought Caller was Traitor but he proved he's Day Vigilante. I posted my reasoning already. From JubJub Mafia, we have Kurumi forging a host PM without explicitly stating it is a host PM, although it was pretty obvious he intended for people to think it was. Should probably reword the OP to account for this gray area. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 04 2012 16:31 Kurumi wrote: So no fake claims at all? Fake claims are fine. But there's a difference between posting a fake claim and falsely claiming to have posted your role PM, just like there's a difference between posting a role claim and posting your real role PM. I'll update the OP to reflect this unless there are serious objections. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote: We modkilled Acrofales for this self-same thing - he posted his fake-claim Role PM, and we figured that's kinda a gray area so we just modkilled him. Yeah and it really shouldn't be a gray area in my opinion. I mean, if the "PM" was real, they would be modkilled for posting it. I guess it's the same as telling everyone that you're lying, but I'm not really comfortable with the mod confirming that a claim is false either. Better to just forbid the practice and not worry about it. 12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. Is everyone okay with this? Do you want to see the wording changed? I'm not totally happy with it yet, so I'm definitely open to suggestions. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Rules: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. 12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe. Posting: Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it. Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything. Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Smurfs: On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything. Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately. Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game. You have been warned. Out of thread communication: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk. Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Signups: This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled) (date). Game-specific rules: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List. Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Day 2. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list. Clues: There are no clues. PMs PMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. Thanks to Qatol for writing this excellent rule list. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance! | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On November 02 2012 03:36 prplhz wrote: How about something about encryption? Like, "Don't do it". +1 | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
EDIT: Done. I don't think this one needs a long explanation. Let me know if you think it needs more. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Blazinghand's Generic Rules Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance. Rules: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox, or really any screenshots of things from the game. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 6.1. Whether or not you are allowed to post the wording of your Role PM will vary from game to game. 6.2. As a general rule, even in games where you're allowed to post the wording of your role PM, don't post the other stuff surrounding it (timestamps, who it was from/to, subject line, and so on). 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe. Posting: Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it. Rules specific to this game are also shown in blue text in this thread. Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything. Activity: You must post in this thread at least once per 48 posting hours while you are alive. If the day ends due to a hammer, voting is not required. If the day ends due to time limit, voting is required. Night time does not count against activity requirements unless you are allowed to speak at night. Off-Topic: Try to stay on-topic while playing. I'll let you know if it's off-topic. Smurfs: If you want to smurf, let me know. Smurfs are welcome. Hydras: If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and WBG for Purgatory Mafia" so that people know which two players you are. Spam: Try not to spam. If I think you're spamming I'll tell you to stop. Not stopping is strictly prohibited. If more than 10 posts on a page are yours, you're definitely spamming. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing is not allowed. Do not edit posts. You get one (1) warning for editing. After that, you will be modkilled. No editing. This includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you try weird tricky things I'll get mad at you and do stuff. Yes, I'm being vague here, because it's fine to change your profile or sig or whatever, that's no good. Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. As a general guideline: Stuff like "this argument is dumb because XYZ" is fine. Stuff like "you are doing ABC, which is dumb" or "you're dumb because you do ABC, and ABC is dumb" is fine. Stuff like "you're dumb. lolooloooo" is not fine. Insults and abrasive play happen, but it must all be oriented towards trying to win the game. Don't be that guy. The main thing is: don't insult for the purpose of insulting only. I'm very verbal about people getting out of line, so if you cross the line I will let you know. I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia for 10 people and 4 hosts just to modkill someone. I haven't specifically outlined what exactly I find unacceptable because I'm lazy, but I'm not too lazy to modkill people for violating rules that only exist in my head and nobody knows about. As a general rule, I basically moderate entirely on my discretion. My goal is for everyone to have a good time. My co-hosts will also moderate entirely on their own judgement. Most of the time you will be warned directly and personally if you step out of line before any bigger actions are taken. The golden rule here is don't do anything I don't want you to do in terms of behavior, and act so that everyone has fun. ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately. Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. If you're not playing to win I will modkill you. But this won't be a problem, because if you don't want to win you can just not sign up k? This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game. You have been warned! bwahahaha Voting rules: Check the OP of the game I'm hosting for specific voting rules-- anything written there overrides this. 1. Voting is done in the voting thread. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Blazinghand. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3.5. If your vote is on someone, make sure to ##Unvote when you vote someone new (you can do this in the same post). 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game-- or rather, such votes will not count. 4.1. You are allowed to self-hammer. You may even self-hammer if it definitely absolutely causes you to lose the game on the spot. This will make me hate you. 4.5. You can vote for a no-lynch if you want to. 5. This game follows an instant simple majority lynch. The instant a player has the majority of votes on him, the day ends. So if there are 8 players you need 5 to lynch, if there are 7 players you need 4 to lynch. 6. Voting by the end of a mandated cycle is mandatory. If the day ends due to an instant lynch hammer, it's okay to not have voted. 7. Once a majority has been reached, please do not post until the night is over. Signups: Eligibility This game is open to anyone, but we are using Wisdom of the Crowds, see below for details. Anyone may sign up for this game if they have played at least 1 game on TL Mafia. If this is your first game on TL but you have played elsewhere and want to sign up, please PM me and we'll work something out. Special Signup rule: Wisdom of the Crowds If you do not wish to play with a player for any reason, PM me, if I receive enough votes against a player (five or more) then he or she will not be allowed to play in this game. Your vote against a player will be held in the strictest confidence. You *must* be signed up to vote against someone. I reserve the right to override this rule, and also to bar players from signing up for this game based entirely on my own arbitrary judgement. Invites This is a NON invite game. Signups are totes open. Game-specific rules: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List, and also type /sitout in the thread here. Replacements I love replacements, but I hope never to use them. There are 3 replacement slots, so sign up if you're interested. Replacements will be made up until the start of D3. You're encouraged to find your own replacement if you need to replace out, and if you do so, I will smile upon you. Clues: There are no clues. PMs PMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a night-less/endless day cycle. The day lasts until a majority is reached. If enough time passes without a majority being lynched, I will post in the thread and state a deadline for a no-lynch in order to prevent horrible 3-week-long days where nothing happens. If a day happens to be long but discussion is still moving, I will not do this. You may not post at night. The night lasts until all night actions are in to both me and the co-hosts. After that, I'll wait a certain amount of time between 0 hours and 12 hours, then post the day post. This delay is to protect the anonymity of scum and blues. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Thanks to all my co-hosts, from all time. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I might give you candy. I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 15 2014 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia You got that one right. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
oof. oh man that's brutal | ||
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