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There have been complaints that the mafia OPs are too wordy and are beginning to resemble an EULA. With this in mind, I have (hopefully) cleaned it up a bit for future games. If you think there is anything which should be added to this, please let me know. The parenthesis signify alternatives in the case of relatively common setups which may or may not be in the game.
![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLmafia_new.png)
*Cohost is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him/her or myself.
The coaches for this game are: coach1, coach2, etc.. Please consult them for advice during the game.
Game name
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +Links to day/night posts go here!
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable.
Encryption:
Don't do it.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of TL where it is okay to double post or even triple-post. While you should try to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM the host, a co-host, or GMarshal before involving the other TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can discuss the situation with other members of the TL staff.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, or GMarshal before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without getting banned. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM the host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Observers
If you would like to observe this game, please PM me for access to the observer QuickTopic. If you receive access to the observer QuickTopic, do not discuss this game with the players until this game is over.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done (in a separate thread, located *here*) (in this thread). Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may (not) vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain.
(6a. This game uses a plurality lynch. You become the new lynch target when you have more votes than anyone else.)
(6b. This game uses a majority lynch. One player must receive more than half of the total votes cast to be lynched.)
Signups:
This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled) (date).
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, you will be punished beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to the ban list thread for questions about your punishment. Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Sitting Out:
To sit out this game, you must do these two things during the signups of this game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished):
1. PM the host of this game, saying you are sitting out this game.
2. Post in the TL Mafia Ban List, saying that you are sitting out this game.
Replacements
This game uses (does not use) replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until time in the game. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
PMs
PMs are (not) allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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One-upping Gmarshal by having an earlier first post in this topic!
Also, reserved for future content.
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United States22154 Posts
Yay! (which is basically another way of saying "haha, I have the first post in this topic because I am a gosu mafia player)
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
You really need more reserved posts...
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i hope the new op will be less of a text-fest 'cause sometimes details get lost in there and have to be pointed out after the OP and that kinda defeats the purpose of the op
maybe you could have the rules in one thread and then just refer to them in the OP and highlight it whenever you're not picking one of the most commonly used rules
dunno there's always a couple who don't see like "gotta post 5 times a game" or "gotta vote in a separate thread" because they just didn't bother to read a huge OP that is 99% something they've read 10 times before and that "i will not compensate for stupidity" isn't scaring anybody i think
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On October 07 2011 05:52 prplhz wrote:
i hope the new op will be less of a text-fest 'cause sometimes details get lost in there and have to be pointed out after the OP and that kinda defeats the purpose of the op
maybe you could have the rules in one thread and then just refer to them in the OP and highlight it whenever you're not picking one of the most commonly used rules
dunno there's always a couple who don't see like "gotta post 5 times a game" or "gotta vote in a separate thread" because they just didn't bother to read a huge OP that is 99% something they've read 10 times before and that "i will not compensate for stupidity" isn't scaring anybody i think
The point of the reserved posts is to break up the OP into multiple posts to make it easier for hosts to copy the pieces they actually care about. Also, I'm hoping to add things like sample role descriptions and PMs to help hosts new to TL understand what we expect to see and to make those role descriptions more standardized.
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i thought you were leaving and will be unable to organize this?
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why am i posting with this account
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(by leaving i mean becoming less active)
shouldn't this thread be created by the TLMafiaBot
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i feel like if people don't wanna read large posts then they shouldn't be playing mafia. long op is fine.
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On October 11 2011 04:36 redFF wrote:
i feel like if people don't wanna read large posts then they shouldn't be playing mafia. long op is fine.
Yeah I don't care as long as game specific mechanics are labeled as such in a specific part of the OP. The only bad thing would be if something not normal is hidden in the usual long text
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New change added due to the discussion after Pick Your Power Interesting.
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If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
this should be changed to
If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
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United States22154 Posts
Now that the site is wider we need a wider banner!
Mr.Wiggles wherefore art thou?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I'm thinking the change in site layout was a subtle attack on TL mafia by Hot_Bid to ruin our banners
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Anyone who played Minecraft with us will get this one.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dgF1Q.png)
I liked this one better though
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YpvJt.png)
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On November 01 2011 22:36 redFF wrote:this should be changed to
Okay fixed.
If there is anything anyone wants added to the model OP, tell me now. I'm probably going to be making updates over the weekend (dividing up the model into multiple posts, adding role descriptions, etc) and I'm taking suggestions for other changes.
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every game should include an example vanilla townie role pm.
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Yes, including a vanilla townie role PM was part of the plan.
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well, I think a way to do it could be letting hosts have their own vanilla townie role pms, but making sure they post that particular pm in their ops.
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It's a model. They're supposed to be able to change it to suit their needs. That's a given.
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United States22154 Posts
I suggest changing the banner to one of the awesome banners iGrok has modified, to fit the new width.
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On November 10 2011 08:01 GMarshal wrote:
I suggest changing the banner to one of the awesome banners iGrok has modified, to fit the new width.
I agree that we should be using a larger banner. However, I don't know if I agree with the captions on iGrok's bigger banners. "Lurk by day" seems like a bad message to be giving to people who are new to the forum. I don't really understand the message behind "Live. Love. Lynch."
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the "live love lynch" is from the couples mafia game I thought?
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On November 10 2011 08:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
the "live love lynch" is from the couples mafia game I thought?
No, I took if from here, lol
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my head just exploded again
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I think it would be awesome if there was something about replacing out of games inhere. When is it okay to replace out and how should it be done? There's been some "Sorry [my alignment] but I have to replace out" in recent games which has been very unfortunate for obvious reasons. I think there should be a rule like "If you need to get replaced you should PM the host and immediately stop posting in the thread". I think most hosts would have different opinions on potential punishments for replacing out, and what constitutes a good reason for replacing out but maybe this model OP could have some general guidelines. Something like "can't replace out because you don't like how other players play the game, but you can replace out if you have a real life emergency that could not be foreseen".
Like, as long as there's nothing in the model OP about this, people are going to continue to handle replacements in unfortunate ways.
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If you guys have a better slogan in mind I'm happy to make a new one.
LBD,KBN was from the Mafia Minecraft faction lol.
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On November 11 2011 08:30 prplhz wrote:
I think it would be awesome if there was something about replacing out of games inhere. When is it okay to replace out and how should it be done? There's been some "Sorry [my alignment] but I have to replace out" in recent games which has been very unfortunate for obvious reasons. I think there should be a rule like "If you need to get replaced you should PM the host and immediately stop posting in the thread". I think most hosts would have different opinions on potential punishments for replacing out, and what constitutes a good reason for replacing out but maybe this model OP could have some general guidelines. Something like "can't replace out because you don't like how other players play the game, but you can replace out if you have a real life emergency that could not be foreseen".
Like, as long as there's nothing in the model OP about this, people are going to continue to handle replacements in unfortunate ways.
Good idea. I'll put something in there that the hosts can tinker with if they don't want replacements. And I agree that it's something that should probably be made official.
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On November 11 2011 08:30 prplhz wrote:
I think it would be awesome if there was something about replacing out of games inhere. When is it okay to replace out and how should it be done? There's been some "Sorry [my alignment] but I have to replace out" in recent games which has been very unfortunate for obvious reasons. I think there should be a rule like "If you need to get replaced you should PM the host and immediately stop posting in the thread". I think most hosts would have different opinions on potential punishments for replacing out, and what constitutes a good reason for replacing out but maybe this model OP could have some general guidelines. Something like "can't replace out because you don't like how other players play the game, but you can replace out if you have a real life emergency that could not be foreseen".
Like, as long as there's nothing in the model OP about this, people are going to continue to handle replacements in unfortunate ways.
whats to stop scum from saying "sorry town, gotta replace out!"?
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On November 11 2011 13:25 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 08:30 prplhz wrote:
I think it would be awesome if there was something about replacing out of games inhere. When is it okay to replace out and how should it be done? There's been some "Sorry [my alignment] but I have to replace out" in recent games which has been very unfortunate for obvious reasons. I think there should be a rule like "If you need to get replaced you should PM the host and immediately stop posting in the thread". I think most hosts would have different opinions on potential punishments for replacing out, and what constitutes a good reason for replacing out but maybe this model OP could have some general guidelines. Something like "can't replace out because you don't like how other players play the game, but you can replace out if you have a real life emergency that could not be foreseen".
Like, as long as there's nothing in the model OP about this, people are going to continue to handle replacements in unfortunate ways. whats to stop scum from saying "sorry town, gotta replace out!"?
dude did you even read his post?
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Hey guys, I have no idea where to talk about this so I'm just going to do it here if Qatol doesn't mind.
I've played some games lately where people have been breadcrumbing their role PM and then hosts had to step in a do something about it. There is nothing in the Model OP about it so of course people can't know that they're not supposed to breadcrumb their role PMs, but very often hosts (and players alike!) are dissatisfied with this. I understand that breadcrumbing your role PM has been a legit strategy for some time on this forum but since I think a lot of hosts don't like it, and I as a player don't like it either, maybe if there was general consensus about it you could put a rule about role PM breadcrumbing in the Model OP?
This is really more about discussing if people think it should be a legit strategy, if people think that it is cheap and distracts from what the game is really about then I guess there should be a rule about it in the Model OP so we can avoid any more incidents where hosts have to step in during the game after somebody's done it.
Another counter argument is that people say it's up to the hosts, hosts can prevent it by providing sample PMs to everybody but in the end I think this is just putting an extra burden on the hosts. I haven't hosted (yet!) but I think this is just putting extra burden on the hosts when a simple rule could prevent most of these incidents.
Anyway, what do you guys think about breadcrumbing your role PM, or discussing the contents of it in general without paraphrasing it?
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Well, as far as I can tell the objection being raised around here is breadcrumbing unique elements of the role PM that might be shared with others who happen to have the same role.
I don't have any objections to this practice as I try to avoid imposing any sort of restrictions on what players can post, other than game rules required to keep the game fair and civil. But then I craft my role PMs so that any similarities are deliberate. With the investment of just a little effort other hosts can do the same.
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or, more hosts could like me:
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VANILLA TOWNYOU DON'T GOT NOTHING SON YOUR TEAMMATE IS SEVRYN, VOTE THEM SCUMMY FUCKERS TO DEATH HERE'S A QT! http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/AvZkkMkGR5nu Vanilla TownYou are Vanilla Town, all you have is your voice and your vote to save the village from the mafia. You win when the mafia has been eliminated. Your teammate is iGrok Here's your private QT if you wish to use one: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/vVhJxMWReQYnf Parity Cop
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The problem is not about the hosts, but the players who will grab capitalized "y" to call someone scum//faking claim or even an "i" missing in Vanilla.
I understand the concept of breadcrumbing, same flavour text for same roles is just dumb.
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LOL Palmar those role PMs were funny.
Anyway discussing role PMs hasn't been an issue AFAIK since PYP:I or XLV. I don't think any game since has had that issue.
Primarily it's been a problem in PM games, but also a problem of lack of consistency among hosts and co-hosts (in the same game)
There are a few obvious solutions, but the best is to simply keep consistency among the hosts. Also one can provide mafia the option to ask for fake claims, that works well too IMO.
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Up to the hosts. If they don't want it, be like Palmar, give examples, or write out separate flavor text.
Personally I don't mind breadcrumbing your role, just so long as players understand that it could go wrong: I once gave a town and mafia player similar flavor text.
I'll also be using my own OP, because this one is too long and most players know it 
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Radfield
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I strongly dislike players referencing their role PMs. If you want to convince me you are town, do it properly and play the game. It's the same reason you don't quote your role PMs or post the time you received it, just further down the spectrum. Play mafia, don't try to game the system.
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I don't have time to do the full update I promised a while ago, but I'm putting in something right now to stop the breadcrumbing thing. It has come up too often for my tastes and I'm sick of dealing with it. The way I see things, there are 2 options: mods can post their role PMs so breadcrumbing can't happen or we can just make a rule against breadcrumbing your role PM and be done with it. I prefer the one which makes less work for the mods, so I'll edit in a new rule. For the record, I still think it is moronic that this has to be put in here explicitly at all. It is cheating and people should know better.
EDIT: I made 2 changes to the rules:
1. I edited #6 to read "Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host."
2. I added #11 which reads "Breadcrumbing the specific wording of your role PM. Do not compare the wording in your role PM to prove your alignment."
Hopefully between the two, that fixes the breadcrumbing problem. Please let me know if you would like me to change the phrasing a bit.
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oh man this happened again??!
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United States2186 Posts
Yeah hopefully this will be enough. It should not be happening period. The OP change is needed for games with closed setups.
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On December 10 2011 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Anyway discussing role PMs hasn't been an issue AFAIK since PYP:I or XLV. I don't think any game since has had that issue.
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Maybe not but the Model OP isn't for preventing issues with ongoing or past games, it's for preventing issues with future games.
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Hey guys, I don't know if this is like, too much work for mods, but check this out:
1. prplhz
2. Ver
...you know, for the playerlist instead of linking to their profiles? Filter is arguably the best new function we've been graced with, and one of the biggest issues I have right now is like, trying to think of a page that had a post by someone so I can go filter them. What if we linked to their filter for the game they're in in the player-list? That way we could all just go to Pg1 and click their name for a filter of the game?
Food for thought.
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I did that in that 80 player game VE, fuck man... that was crazy amount of work.
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Yeah, but I see mods linking to profiles and it occurred to me that it would be EASIER to do that than linking to profiles.
I see what you're saying though, it seems like it would be more work. But in my experience hosting (lolbad, you were there) it seems like something they could do like, between cycle changes when not much is going on.
Just a thought. 
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On December 10 2011 07:32 Kurumi wrote:
The problem is not about the hosts, but the players who will grab capitalized "y" to call someone scum//faking claim or even an "i" missing in Vanilla.
I understand the concept of breadcrumbing, same flavour text for same roles is just dumb.
LOL that was the greatest thing ever.
For people who don't get it in one game Kurumi was a Vigilante. Kurumi is known as the only person to capitalize everytime he types "You." He came under suspicion so we made him claim and in his role PM the "You" was capitalized leading everyone to think that he had faked the role PM and typed it up by himself.
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Huh I didn't know that was an option. I'll see what I can do about encouraging people to add it. Though in clue games it might be more useful to link to the profile (as we have done in the past).
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Profile links are easy since you can just copy and paste the same url around the signup names and you're done. Filter links are a bit trickier since you have to find the user id of every player. Is there an easier way to do this? I suppose you can try and track down all the /in posts in the thread and use that to get the user id's.
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lol I was going to put filter links under every player in my LotR game but I got too lazy to do it.
I commend every host who makes that sort of effort!
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For the mod spreadsheet for XLVIII I did that.
That's something the players could do for themselves if they want I suppose. Or the host. if the host feels nice.
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Right-click on the filter button on a post and hit 'Copy Link Location'. You could do it from the "/in" post and it will be the same address the whole game. The two examples I used were literally from the two posters above me in this thread.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I'm not quite sure where this should be discussed, but one problem I've noticed over the course of the last few games is that different hosts have different policies when dealing with deadline actions. For example, if the deadline were 9:00, some allow players to submit actions and count votes at exactly 9:00, while others only allow them at 8:59, but no later. In the most recent game, people were announcing their vig shots, thinking the deadline had been reached, when in reality, the scum team could respond and change their roleblock if they were quick enough. I think if we had a consistent deadline policy for all hosts, we won't have to worry about running into any problems in the future.
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On January 09 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not quite sure where this should be discussed, but one problem I've noticed over the course of the last few games is that different hosts have different policies when dealing with deadline actions. For example, if the deadline were 9:00, some allow players to submit actions and count votes at exactly 9:00, while others only allow them at 8:59, but no later. In the most recent game, people were announcing their vig shots, thinking the deadline had been reached, when in reality, the scum team could respond and change their roleblock if they were quick enough. I think if we had a consistent deadline policy for all hosts, we won't have to worry about running into any problems in the future.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Good? I doubt there will be much debate on this; it's a matter of consistency more than anything else.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Sounds good
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Hey
Something about it is illegal to take screenshots to document anything.
What about it?
It just happened in TL Mafia L so those guys can't really talk about it but I think it sucks since you can't really fake PMs anymore with this. Of course people could fake the screenshots but that takes a lot of technical ability and that's not really what this game is about. People should stick to posting (easily forgeable) text logs if they want to "document" anything.
Yea that's about it. I'm quite sure I've complained about this once before and people told me that I was a crazy man but I kinda like to take it up again because I'm really against screenshots of anything, inboxes, QuickTopics, chatlogs, anything.
The idea is that textual evidence is easier to forge, anybody who can type can forge it. This makes any such evidence a subject for discussion and behavioral analysis. Any screenshots will not be subject to any discussion about the authenticity if it, and if it is it's going to be about some of the pixels, and that's not what mafia is about in my opinion.
Also, just because I remembered this problem again because of TL Mafia L, it is in no way bashing neither Mattchew nor flamewheel.
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I don't want to discuss this until after that game is over for fear of affecting the game somehow. Please bring it up then.
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Alright, just noticed that it's already there, I could have sworn that it hasn't always been there though. Well I still want it extended to all the other things I mentioned. I'll bring it up again later if I remember.
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On March 15 2012 07:33 Kurumi wrote:Not waste KP on me, but deny them additional 0.5KP from recruit the Traitor. I don't say it's scummy to think I am traitor. It means I've done good job. The problem with Your case is that You point out the "Pokemon hint" while it's not related to my traitor plan(it was just me roleplaying a Pokemon Trainer Joey). I understand people could get suspicious because of my trolling, but not because I was talking about Rattata damnit. That's I think it's scummy. It's like taking one word out of entire case and saying it's wrong. What I think: If I were really the traitor, I would've picked different thing to roleplay. It wouldn't be Pokemon Trainer Joey and Salvatore but someone like Illidan or Team Rocket Member(and probably go for a Zubat). I trolled to make me look like a traitor. I haven't done it subtle or correctly: character's I've played were neutral or stupid. If I were the real traitor I'd probably try to stay hidden and hint things from time to time, not risk my damn Blue life and troll hard. I thought Caller was Traitor but he proved he's Day Vigilante. I posted my reasoning already. Show nested quote +You dreamt about mysterious figure watching people pass by during the day. You couldn't recognize their sex. When the night came, the person you saw before was busy searching for something. Suddenly, you were reading a book in your own bed with "Secrets are being unveiled" title. As soon as you read the title entire scene disappeared. You were once again on pitch black street and couldn't find the man or woman working secretly here before. A while passed with you standing just right in the middle of the street. You were sure it's not 21st century. While your thoughts were troubling you, an angry man showed in front of you out of nowhere, saying:
- You have been warned before about violating our privacy!
After that, you regained your consciousness.
From JubJub Mafia, we have Kurumi forging a host PM without explicitly stating it is a host PM, although it was pretty obvious he intended for people to think it was. Should probably reword the OP to account for this gray area.
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So no fake claims at all?
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On April 04 2012 16:31 Kurumi wrote:
So no fake claims at all?
Fake claims are fine. But there's a difference between posting a fake claim and falsely claiming to have posted your role PM, just like there's a difference between posting a role claim and posting your real role PM. I'll update the OP to reflect this unless there are serious objections.
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We modkilled Acrofales for this self-same thing - he posted his fake-claim Role PM, and we figured that's kinda a gray area so we just modkilled him.
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On April 11 2012 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
We modkilled Acrofales for this self-same thing - he posted his fake-claim Role PM, and we figured that's kinda a gray area so we just modkilled him.
Yeah and it really shouldn't be a gray area in my opinion. I mean, if the "PM" was real, they would be modkilled for posting it. I guess it's the same as telling everyone that you're lying, but I'm not really comfortable with the mod confirming that a claim is false either. Better to just forbid the practice and not worry about it.
12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host.
Is everyone okay with this? Do you want to see the wording changed? I'm not totally happy with it yet, so I'm definitely open to suggestions.
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I would change the first part to "lying about PM's recieved from hosts"
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Posting this for future use in all my games.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
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This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in a separate thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled) (date).
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Day 2. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
Thanks to Qatol for writing this excellent rule list.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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I added a new line under "Spam" to remind people to condense their posts when possible. I honestly thought it was in the rule before, but it has been brought to my attention that it is not. So now it is there.
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How about something about encryption? Like, "Don't do it".
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
On November 02 2012 03:36 prplhz wrote:
How about something about encryption? Like, "Don't do it".
+1
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Sorry it took me so long to get to this, but I'm putting something in now.
EDIT: Done. I don't think this one needs a long explanation. Let me know if you think it needs more.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Using this for future games
Blazinghand's Generic Rules
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox, or really any screenshots of things from the game.
6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host.
6.1. Whether or not you are allowed to post the wording of your Role PM will vary from game to game.
6.2. As a general rule, even in games where you're allowed to post the wording of your role PM, don't post the other stuff surrounding it (timestamps, who it was from/to, subject line, and so on).
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Rules specific to this game are also shown in blue text in this thread.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread at least once per 48 posting hours while you are alive. If the day ends due to a hammer, voting is not required. If the day ends due to time limit, voting is required. Night time does not count against activity requirements unless you are allowed to speak at night.
Off-Topic:
Try to stay on-topic while playing. I'll let you know if it's off-topic.
Smurfs:
If you want to smurf, let me know. Smurfs are welcome.
Hydras:
If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and WBG for Purgatory Mafia" so that people know which two players you are.
Spam:
Try not to spam. If I think you're spamming I'll tell you to stop. Not stopping is strictly prohibited. If more than 10 posts on a page are yours, you're definitely spamming.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing is not allowed. Do not edit posts. You get one (1) warning for editing. After that, you will be modkilled. No editing. This includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you try weird tricky things I'll get mad at you and do stuff. Yes, I'm being vague here, because it's fine to change your profile or sig or whatever, that's no good.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
As a general guideline: Stuff like "this argument is dumb because XYZ" is fine. Stuff like "you are doing ABC, which is dumb" or "you're dumb because you do ABC, and ABC is dumb" is fine. Stuff like "you're dumb. lolooloooo" is not fine. Insults and abrasive play happen, but it must all be oriented towards trying to win the game. Don't be that guy. The main thing is: don't insult for the purpose of insulting only. I'm very verbal about people getting out of line, so if you cross the line I will let you know. I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia for 10 people and 4 hosts just to modkill someone.
I haven't specifically outlined what exactly I find unacceptable because I'm lazy, but I'm not too lazy to modkill people for violating rules that only exist in my head and nobody knows about. As a general rule, I basically moderate entirely on my discretion. My goal is for everyone to have a good time. My co-hosts will also moderate entirely on their own judgement. Most of the time you will be warned directly and personally if you step out of line before any bigger actions are taken. The golden rule here is don't do anything I don't want you to do in terms of behavior, and act so that everyone has fun.
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. If you're not playing to win I will modkill you. But this won't be a problem, because if you don't want to win you can just not sign up k?
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned! bwahahaha
Voting rules:
Check the OP of the game I'm hosting for specific voting rules-- anything written there overrides this.
1. Voting is done in the voting thread. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Blazinghand. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3.5. If your vote is on someone, make sure to ##Unvote when you vote someone new (you can do this in the same post).
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game-- or rather, such votes will not count.
4.1. You are allowed to self-hammer. You may even self-hammer if it definitely absolutely causes you to lose the game on the spot. This will make me hate you.
4.5. You can vote for a no-lynch if you want to.
5. This game follows an instant simple majority lynch. The instant a player has the majority of votes on him, the day ends. So if there are 8 players you need 5 to lynch, if there are 7 players you need 4 to lynch.
6. Voting by the end of a mandated cycle is mandatory. If the day ends due to an instant lynch hammer, it's okay to not have voted.
7. Once a majority has been reached, please do not post until the night is over.
Signups:
Eligibility
This game is open to anyone, but we are using Wisdom of the Crowds, see below for details. Anyone may sign up for this game if they have played at least 1 game on TL Mafia. If this is your first game on TL but you have played elsewhere and want to sign up, please PM me and we'll work something out.
Special Signup rule: Wisdom of the Crowds
If you do not wish to play with a player for any reason, PM me, if I receive enough votes against a player (five or more) then he or she will not be allowed to play in this game. Your vote against a player will be held in the strictest confidence. You *must* be signed up to vote against someone. I reserve the right to override this rule, and also to bar players from signing up for this game based entirely on my own arbitrary judgement.
Invites
This is a NON invite game. Signups are totes open.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List, and also type /sitout in the thread here.
Replacements
I love replacements, but I hope never to use them. There are 3 replacement slots, so sign up if you're interested. Replacements will be made up until the start of D3. You're encouraged to find your own replacement if you need to replace out, and if you do so, I will smile upon you.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a night-less/endless day cycle. The day lasts until a majority is reached. If enough time passes without a majority being lynched, I will post in the thread and state a deadline for a no-lynch in order to prevent horrible 3-week-long days where nothing happens. If a day happens to be long but discussion is still moving, I will not do this. You may not post at night. The night lasts until all night actions are in to both me and the co-hosts. After that, I'll wait a certain amount of time between 0 hours and 12 hours, then post the day post. This delay is to protect the anonymity of scum and blues.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Thanks to all my co-hosts, from all time.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I might give you candy.
I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 15 2014 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia
You got that one right.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 15 2014 09:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia You got that one right.
oof. oh man that's brutal
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Blazinghand, I don't mind adding extra stuff to the model OP if people want it and if it is relatively standard in current games. Let me know if you would like to see something added.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 24 2014 12:42 Qatol wrote:
Blazinghand, I don't mind adding extra stuff to the model OP if people want it and if it is relatively standard in current games. Let me know if you would like to see something added.
I'm sorry but who are you?
Edit: OH GOD SHOULD HAVE CLICKED ON HIS PROFILE BEFORE POSTING
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Can we rephrase rule #12?
12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host.
We had a little trouble with this that influenced a game recently. You are allowed to copy paste what the host PMs you in normal games.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 25 2014 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:Can we rephrase rule #12? Show nested quote +12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. We had a little trouble with this that influenced a game recently. You are allowed to copy paste what the host PMs you in normal games.
I personally don't use this rule in my model OP, but in my opinion the lack of clarity in terms of what was claimable isn't a fault with this model OP (since it's designed for a game where you don't claim flavor or wording from your PM) but rather with how it gets implemented. Anyone who wants claimable role fluff in their PMs, or role names, should specify in their game OP (which overrides the rules in this one) what the rules about claiming are.
In my games, for example, you can generally claim everything about the content of your Role PM, but nothing about the time, subject line, etc-- nothing not very easily fakeable, since my Role PMs are typically just single-word or single-line pms like "vt" or "mineral line drone"
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is there a reason the "no talking about ongoing games" rule was removed? or maybe it was never there but people always assumed it was?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I always assumed that was an extension of "no out of thread communication" and "no communication by dead people".
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No talking about ongoing games isn't exactly the rule. Two players with no connection to the game can certainly talk about it. The issue is that they can't talk about it with anyone in the game, or anywhere that someone in the game could possibly find. So, like HazingBland said, its a community saying that is derived from other rules already in the OP.
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On January 25 2014 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:Can we rephrase rule #12? Show nested quote +12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. We had a little trouble with this that influenced a game recently. You are allowed to copy paste what the host PMs you in normal games.
We could remove that entirely. I don't know how important the rule is with current playstyles. However, it is supposed to stop people from making a post that appears to be from the host (with quote tags and the host's name etc) but isn't because the words from the host are supposed to be above question. It seemed important at the time, at least for newbie games, to avoid confusion.
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Original Message From Foolishness:
That's a good question. I don't know lol Post this in the model OP thread and let's see what comes up.
Original Message From Toadesstern:Hey there got a "quick" question about how to determine a lynch if a tiebreak happens [...] just in case. Let's say there's 2 people who get votes alternatingly. Voters are called A, B C, D, E. The two guys voted Toad and Foolishness for simplicity. So votes are casted in this fashion and most importantly [in this] order: A votes ToadB votes FoolishnessC votes ToadD votes FoolishnessE votes ToadObviously if it stays like that Toad has 3 votes and gets lynched. Also quite obvious if E unvotes Toad it's at 2-2 but Toad gets lynched because he had 2 votes earlier from A and C. + Show Spoiler [because voting would be just this] +A votes Toad
B votes Foolishness
C votes Toad
D votes Foolishness
E votes Toad What happens if however A (or C, comes down to the same) unvotes Toad. Again a 2-2 scenario, but it looks like + Show Spoiler [this] +A votes Toad
B votes Foolishness
C votes Toad
D votes Foolishness
E votes Toad
Is it interpreted as "Toad gets lynched because he, had 2 votes before Foolishness despite the voter giving him that earlier "time" not being on the wagon anymore" [A+C was the first time he had 2 votes and he never got below 2 votes, so the votes A and C matter timestampwise, C being the deciding one because it's the last one (E already brought him to 3 and would thus only be used for a possible 3-3 tie)] OR do I look at the timing of those still remaining on the lynch? In this case it would be C and E voting Toad and those together, with the critical/last vote comming from E are later than B and D on Foolishness, thus Foolishness would be lynched first because he had 2 votes earlier without A being on the list. Basicly do I look at when someone got the critical "mass" of votes for the first time no matter what as long as it doesn't get lower than the 2nd place or do I look at the timestamp of the last vote that matters?
thoughts?
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Yes, it just depends on critical mass of votes first.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Here's how I interpret plurality lynch:
"you become the lynch target if you have more votes than anyone else"
So let's say Aaron gets 2 votes. he is now the lynch target as he has the most votes.
now Barry gets 3 votes, he's now the lynch target since he has the most votes
now one of Barry's guys unvotes him, so he and Aaron both have 2 votes. Barry is still the lynch target since nobody has satisfied "have more votes than anyone else" to take it away from him. yes, Aaron hit 2 votes first, but that's not relevant in my version of plurality lynch. You can only steal the targettedness by having more than anyone else, then you have it until someone has more than you.
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The interpretation I put in the OP for Quiet Game was:
Voting rule is Plurality. i.e. the player who has the most votes, or had more votes most recently in case of a tie, is lynched at the deadline.
Same thing I'm pretty sure, just different wording.
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On February 09 2014 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Here's how I interpret plurality lynch:
"you become the lynch target if you have more votes than anyone else"
So let's say Aaron gets 2 votes. he is now the lynch target as he has the most votes.
now Barry gets 3 votes, he's now the lynch target since he has the most votes
now one of Barry's guys unvotes him, so he and Aaron both have 2 votes. Barry is still the lynch target since nobody has satisfied "have more votes than anyone else" to take it away from him. yes, Aaron hit 2 votes first, but that's not relevant in my version of plurality lynch. You can only steal the targettedness by having more than anyone else, then you have it until someone has more than you.
yeah that's how I always thought about it as well until I realized that it could actually be interpreted in both ways and result in weird situations. Also a lot easier than having to go back and look at timestamps for votes.
Same as the other 2 other answers but I quoted this because I like the phrasing the most from BH
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On February 09 2014 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Here's how I interpret plurality lynch:
"you become the lynch target if you have more votes than anyone else"
So let's say Aaron gets 2 votes. he is now the lynch target as he has the most votes.
now Barry gets 3 votes, he's now the lynch target since he has the most votes
now one of Barry's guys unvotes him, so he and Aaron both have 2 votes. Barry is still the lynch target since nobody has satisfied "have more votes than anyone else" to take it away from him. yes, Aaron hit 2 votes first, but that's not relevant in my version of plurality lynch. You can only steal the targettedness by having more than anyone else, then you have it until someone has more than you.
I support this interpretation.
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On February 09 2014 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Here's how I interpret plurality lynch:
"you become the lynch target if you have more votes than anyone else"
So let's say Aaron gets 2 votes. he is now the lynch target as he has the most votes.
now Barry gets 3 votes, he's now the lynch target since he has the most votes
now one of Barry's guys unvotes him, so he and Aaron both have 2 votes. Barry is still the lynch target since nobody has satisfied "have more votes than anyone else" to take it away from him. yes, Aaron hit 2 votes first, but that's not relevant in my version of plurality lynch. You can only steal the targettedness by having more than anyone else, then you have it until someone has more than you.
This interpretation makes sense. Honestly, it doesn't really matter how resolve voting ties for plurality lynches as long as you are clear when the game starts. I'll put something to this effect into the model OP as soon as GMarshal unlocks the post so I can edit it again  . Hopefully that will put these discussions to rest (this isn't the first time this has come up).
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Okay, I added the lynch tiebreaker clarification and generally updated things here and there. For example, the ban list link directs people to the Ban List 2.0 thread now. Please let me know if there is something else you want me to update/change.
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The only thing that makes sense is that when 2 people get tied in a plurality lynch, make them fight to the death in real life. The one that survives is the one that gets lynched.
Easy as pie
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On February 16 2014 05:57 gonzaw wrote:
The only thing that makes sense is that when 2 people get tied in a plurality lynch, make them fight to the death in real life. The one that survives is the one that gets lynched.
Easy as pie
I think the winner should also get pie before they lynched. Their choice of pie.
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On February 16 2014 05:57 gonzaw wrote:
The only thing that makes sense is that when 2 people get tied in a plurality lynch, make them fight to the death in real life. The one that survives is the one that gets lynched.
Easy as pie
Gonzaw that doesn't work. If the person who survives the fight to the death is lynched, then he dies in game. And the person who lost the fight to the death is dead, so he will be modkilled because dead people can't post.
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
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lol was making this for default suspicions
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Add a rule
"You cannot talk to anyone outside the game about the game."
and if you do, keep quiet about it.
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No do not keep quiet about it. Don't fucking cheat. and if you do fess up so our games have some integrity.
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On April 15 2014 12:36 prplhz wrote:
Add a rule
"You cannot talk to anyone outside the game about the game."
and if you do, keep quiet about it.
I'm a little reluctant to phrase things like this because I'm worried it might make people less likely to reach out to coaches. Plus, I'm pretty sure this kind of thing is pretty hard to stop/regulate, especially in the case of RL friends. I agree that people with obs access should not be allowed to talk to players. Maybe we should add something where you have to inform the host that you're talking about the game to a particular person? Even that seems like a lot to manage and a pretty big burden on the hosts for something that should be pretty much common sense though.
Edit:
Yamato summed up my thoughts much better than I did above:
On April 16 2014 04:17 yamato77 wrote:
Obs QT would be cheating because of the nature of information in there.
If an outside observer is just casually talking/discussing the game with a player, even if they discuss reads, it doesn't really constitute cheating. The player outside the game has no vested interest in the outcome of the game other than helping their friend, which is not something we should be discouraging.
I'll put in a rule forbidding discussing the game with anyone outside the game if that's what the community wants, but it seems like it's overly restrictive and prevents people from learning the game quickly. If more people want a rule to that effect, please post here about it (I'm reluctant to add it based on what appears to be the requests of just 2 people).
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I added the following:
Observers
If you would like to observe this game, please PM me for access to the observer QuickTopic. If you receive access to the observer QuickTopic, do not discuss this game with the players until this game is over.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Indeed Kita
Nonetheless I now shall own the stickies, watch this
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Using this as model OP for my games. Yet to be completed.
OP:
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Title
Subtitle
TABLE OF CONTENTS:
- Backstory
- Rules
- Setup
- Possible Roles
- Mechanics
- Sign-Ups
Backstory In the depths of the Saara Desert lies the Headquarters of the Holy Guardians, a secret cult with supernatural powers. Its purpose is to keep the Scarlet Menace from bringing terror to mankind. The Scarlet Menace are vengeful spirits who travels throghout the spirit realm searching for humans to possess. Each tim they kill a human, his enraged spirit becames part of the Scarlet Menace and starts to haunt humankind with his new brothers. Their objective is to grow in number. Killing humans is their way of not going extinct. Leaving the Scarlet Menace out of control is condemning mankind to extinction. They were first identified by The Sentinel, a now cyborg figure who lives in the deepest level of the Citadel, connected by cables and metal machines that keeps him alive for centuries and links him to all parts of the world. The Sentinel is able to detect the presence of these spirits around the globe. Incapable of moving, he sends one of the Apostholes to get rid of them. The Apostholes are figures with supernatural powers. Although not usually able to fully detect the possessed ones, they are able to establish a radius of where the spirits are located to build the Birdcage. Just one Aposthole is sent so no suspicions are raised when they arrive at the places they are designated to. The Apostholes are rare creatures with incredible powers that the Holy Guardians cannot afford to lose, although they have the Citadel Academy constantly training other students. So, it is also safer to send just one and believe in his abilities than risking losing more than one Aposthole in case of a mission failure. The Birdcage. is an energetic field created by The Sentinel's technology, which is able to separate the soul from the body of people who touches it. Its form resembles the half-cylindrical appearence of a common birdcage. By using establishing it, the Aposthole confines a group of people inside it.If the Aposthole dies, the Birdcage will last for three whole months. People inside it will be doomed if not able to find food an water inside its radius, and all they can do is to keep the possessed ones from increasing the Scarlet Menace from growing in numbers in the spirit realm. In the moment The Device (where The Birdcage is carried on) is activated, The Sentinel's voice echoes throghout the whole area with the following message: "Souls are corrupted and must be freed. It is up to you to decide who are the possessed ones and to eliminate their body in order to put an end to their agony. Humankind future existence lies on your shoulders." And so the game begins.
Rules Generic Mafia Rules This game follows the standard TL Mafia rules and follows the banlist. These game specific rules overrides the standard ones, in case of conflict. GlowingBear Rules+ Show Spoiler +A. Any infraction to the following rules will grant you a warning. You will be modkilled the moment you receive three warnings, without hesitation. 1 warning will wear off after one full cycle is finished. A.1. Behaviour issues (I'm very strict with behaviour. I'm okay with getting into heated discussion, but I will not accept dissing one another. If you do not want to risk crossing the line, just do not bring ad hominem arguments to the table, and you are safe) A.2. Justified failure to vote once. A.3. Failure to post at least 10 posts per cycle. B. You will be instantly modkilled if you fail to vote once without justification, or if you fail to vote twice even if justified. C. Replacements happens until the first 12 hours of Day 2. D. Flips from modkills happens only at Night Posts. E. Activity is desirable, but not overdoing it. In case you overdo it, a host may PM you limiting your posting in the following fashion: N = 6. H Where H is the number of full hours until the end of the ongoing daytime, and N is the number of posts you may use. F. I reserve the right of not letting a player signing in this game in case I think he is toxic. 13 Players Mini Deadline at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) Day Cycle 48 hours/Night Cycle 24 hours Plurality Lynch Separate Voting Thread Smurfs allowed. Hydras not allowed. Do not engage Hosts in thread. Send any questions or other concerns via PM.
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[b][center]Host: [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/index.php?view=new&to=GlowingBear]GlowingBear[/url]. Cohosts: [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/index.php?view=new&to=Cohostname]Cohostname[/url] and [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/index.php?view=new&to=Cohostname2]Cohostname2[/url]. PM night actions to all hosts.
[blue]Game is currently on Phase
[countdown]month day 2015 PDT 1400[/countdown] until deadline.[/blue]
[spoiler=Players Filters]Signups from post[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Important Posts][url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=11#211]Day 1[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=45#895]Night 1[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=51#1020]Day 2[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=71#1403]Night 2[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=76#1518]Day 3[/url]
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[spoiler=Flips]Day 1 Lynch: Kickstart as [b][blue]Aposthole Samuel Mendes (Jailkeeper)[/blue][/b], disguised as [b][green]Alex Proudman[/green][/b]
Night 1 Kill: Ritoky as [b][green]Lauren Proudman (Citizen - Vanilla Townie)[/green][/b]
Day 2 Lynch: GGTemplar as [b][green]Nicolás Mustino (Citizen - Vanilla Townie)![/green][/b]
Night 2 Kill: Shendelzare as [b][green]Joaquín González (Citizen - Vanilla Townie)![/green][/b]
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[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486779-holy-guardians-chapter-1-voting-thread]Voting Thread[/url]
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[b][dblue][big][i]TABLE OF CONTENTS[/i]:
[list=ordered]
[*] [url=#hgBackstory]Backstory[/url]
[*] [url=#hgRules]Rules[/url]
[*] [url=#hgSetup]Setup[/url]
[*] [url=#hgRoles]Possible Roles[/url]
[*] [url=#hgMechanics]Mechanics[/url]
[*] [url=#hgPlayers]Sign-Ups[/url][/list][/big][/dblue][/b]
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[anchor]hgBackstory[/anchor][center][b][big][big][dblue]Backstory[/dblue][/big][/big][/b][/center]
[indent]In the depths of the [b]Saara Desert[/b] lies the Headquarters of the [b][blue]Holy Guardians[/blue][/b], a secret cult with supernatural powers. Its purpose is to keep the [b][red]Scarlet Menace[/red][/b] from bringing terror to mankind.
[indent]The [b][red]Scarlet Menace[/red][/b] are vengeful spirits who travels throghout the spirit realm searching for humans to possess. Each tim they kill a human, his enraged spirit becames part of the Scarlet Menace and starts to haunt humankind with his new brothers. Their objective is to grow in number. Killing humans is their way of not going extinct. Leaving the [b][red]Scarlet Menace[/red][/b] out of control is condemning mankind to extinction.
[indent]They were first identified by [b][blue]The Sentinel[/blue][/b], a now cyborg figure who lives in the deepest level of the [b][blue]Citadel[/blue][/b], connected by cables and metal machines that keeps him alive for centuries and links him to all parts of the world. [b][blue]The Sentinel[/blue][/b] is able to detect the presence of these spirits around the globe. Incapable of moving, he sends one of the [b][blue]Apostholes[/blue][/b] to get rid of them.
[indent]The [b][blue]Apostholes[/blue][/b] are figures with supernatural powers. Although not usually able to fully detect the possessed ones, they are able to establish a radius of where the spirits are located to build the [b][dblue]Birdcage.[/dblue][/b] Just one [b][blue]Aposthole[/blue][/b] is sent so no suspicions are raised when they arrive at the places they are designated to. The [b][blue]Apostholes[/blue][/b] are rare creatures with incredible powers that the Holy Guardians cannot afford to lose, although they have the[b][blue]Citadel Academy[/blue][/b] constantly training other students. So, it is also safer to send just one and believe in his abilities than risking losing more than one [b][blue]Aposthole[/blue][/b] in case of a mission failure.
[indent]The [b][dblue]Birdcage.[/dblue][/b] is an energetic field created by [b][blue]The Sentinel[/blue][/b]'s technology, which is able to separate the soul from the body of people who touches it. Its form resembles the half-cylindrical appearence of a common birdcage. By using establishing it, the [b][blue]Aposthole[/blue][/b] confines a group of people inside it.If the [b][blue]Aposthole[/blue][/b] dies, the Birdcage will last for three whole months. People inside it will be doomed if not able to find food an water inside its radius, and all they can do is to keep the possessed ones from increasing the [b][red]Scarlet Menace[/red][/b] from growing in numbers in the spirit realm. In the moment [b][dblue]The Device[/dblue][/b] (where [b][dblue]The Birdcage[/dblue][/b] is carried on) is activated, [b][blue]The Sentinel[/blue][/b]'s voice echoes throghout the whole area with the following message:
[indent][blue][i]"Souls are corrupted and must be freed. It is up to you to decide who are the possessed ones and to eliminate their body in order to put an end to their agony. Humankind future existence lies on your shoulders."[/i][/blue]
[indent]And so the game begins.
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[anchor]hgRules[/anchor][center][b][big][big][dblue]Rules[/dblue][/big][/big][/b][/center]
[b][i][dblue]Generic Mafia Rules[/dblue][/i][/b]
[indent]This game follows the [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/272547-tl-mafia-model-op#1]standard TL Mafia rules[/url] and follows the banlist. These game specific rules overrides the standard ones, in case of conflict.
[b][i][dblue]GlowingBear Rules[/dblue][/i][/b]
[spoiler][b]A.[/b] Any infraction to the following rules will grant you a warning. You will be modkilled the moment you receive three warnings, without hesitation. 1 warning will wear off after one full cycle is finished.
[indent][b]A.1.[/b] Behaviour issues (I'm very strict with behaviour. I'm okay with getting into heated discussion, but I will not accept dissing one another. If you do not want to risk crossing the line, just do not bring ad hominem arguments to the table, and you are safe)
[indent][b]A.2.[/b] Justified failure to vote once.
[indent][b]A.3.[/b] Failure to post at least 10 posts per cycle.
[b]B.[/b] You will be instantly modkilled if you fail to vote once without justification, or if you fail to vote twice even if justified.
[b]C.[/b] Replacements happens until the first 12 hours of Day 2.
[b]D.[/b] Flips from modkills happens only at Night Posts.
[b]E.[/b] Activity is desirable, but not overdoing it. In case you overdo it, a host may PM you limiting your posting in the following fashion:
[center][i]N = 6. H[/i][/center]
Where H is the number of full hours until the end of the ongoing daytime, and N is the number of posts you may use.
[b]F.[/b] I reserve the right of not letting a player signing in this game in case I think he is toxic. [/spoiler]
[b][i][dblue]This Game's Rules[/dblue][/i][/b]
[indent]13 Players Mini
[indent]Deadline at [time]1400 PDT[/time]
[indent]Day Cycle 48 hours/Night Cycle 24 hours
[indent]Plurality Lynch
[indent]Separate Voting [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486779-holy-guardians-chapter-1-voting-thread]Thread[/url]
[indent]Smurfs allowed. Hydras not allowed.
[indent]Do not engage Hosts in thread. Send any questions or other concerns via PM.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Using this for future games
Blazinghand's Generic Rules v2
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The gamers are all either Town (good guys), or Mafia (bad guys who are pretending to be good guys) and nobody knows who the Mafia is. Each day, everyone gets together and votes to lynch one player. If you are lynched, you are out of the game, and everyone learns whether you were Town or Mafia.
The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. Typically, if the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. A thread could very well have upwards of 100 pages over the course of the game! Make sure you can side aside at least 1 hour each day for playing before you sign up.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox, or really any screenshots of things from the game.
6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host.
6.1. Whether or not you are allowed to post the wording of your Role PM will vary from game to game.
6.2. As a general rule, even in games where you're allowed to post the wording of your role PM, don't post the other stuff surrounding it (timestamps, who it was from/to, subject line, and so on).
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Rules specific to this game are also shown in blue text in this thread.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread at least once per 48 posting hours while you are alive. If the day ends due to a hammer, voting is not required. If the day ends due to time limit, voting is required. If you fail to meet activity requirements, you will get a warning, and then get removed from the game.
Off-Topic:
Try to stay on-topic while playing. I'll let you know if it's off-topic.
Masons:
You can copy content, but not formatting, from your Mason QT if you want to copy/paste into thread. This way it is fakeable by mafia.
Smurfs:
If you want to smurf, let me know. Smurfs are welcome.
Hydras:
If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and WBG for Purgatory Mafia" so that people know which two players you are.
Spam:
Try not to spam. If I think you're spamming I'll tell you to stop. Not stopping is strictly prohibited. If more than 10 posts on a page are yours, you're definitely spamming. If you post 4 or more posts in a row, you are definitely spamming.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing is not allowed. Do not edit posts. You get one (1) warning for editing. After that, you will be modkilled. No editing. This includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you try weird tricky things I'll get mad at you and do stuff. Yes, I'm being vague here, because it's fine to change your profile or sig or whatever, that's no good.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
As a general guideline: Stuff like "this argument is dumb because XYZ" is fine. Stuff like "you are doing ABC, which is dumb" or "you're dumb because you do ABC, and ABC is dumb" is fine. Stuff like "you're dumb. lolooloooo" is not fine. Insults and abrasive play happen, but it must all be oriented towards trying to win the game. Don't be that guy. The main thing is: don't insult for the purpose of insulting only. I'm very verbal about people getting out of line, so if you cross the line I will let you know. I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia for 10 people and 4 hosts just to modkill someone.
The use of racial, ethnic, or gender/sexual slurs are not allowed in my games, nor should you expect them to be allowed anywhere on TL. Anyone using this kind of language will be immediately modkilled without warning.
I haven't specifically outlined what exactly I find unacceptable, but err on the side of caution. As a general rule, I basically moderate entirely on my discretion. My goal is for everyone to have a good time. My co-hosts will also moderate entirely on their own judgement. Most of the time you will be warned directly and personally if you step out of line before any bigger actions are taken. The golden rule here is don't do anything I don't want you to do in terms of behavior, and act so that everyone has fun.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Warnings and Modkills:
If you receive an official warning, it's like getting a Yellow Card. Play on, but the next one will be removing you from the game. If you get modkilled, it's like a Red Card. You are removed from the game immediately, and may have to sit out the next game. Players who are modkilled will be modkilled immediately, but their alignment/role won't be revealed until the end of the phase.
I also will often give unofficial warnings via PM. Think of this as the ref waving his arms around and shaking his head or something after a play. Not a Yellow Card, but I expect you to do better going forwards.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. If you're not playing to win I will modkill you. But this won't be a problem, because if you don't want to win you can just not sign up k?
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned!
Voting rules:
Check the OP of the game I'm hosting for specific voting rules-- anything written there overrides this.
1. Voting is done in the voting thread. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Blazinghand. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3.5. If your vote is on someone, make sure to ##Unvote when you vote someone new (you can do this in the same post).
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game-- or rather, such votes will not count.
4.1. You are allowed to self-hammer. You may even self-hammer if it definitely absolutely causes you to lose the game on the spot. This will make me hate you.
4.5. You can vote for a no-lynch if you want to.
5. This game follows an instant simple majority lynch. The instant a player has the majority of votes on him, the day ends. So if there are 8 players you need 5 to lynch, if there are 7 players you need 4 to lynch.
6. Voting by the end of a mandated cycle is mandatory. If the day ends due to an instant lynch hammer, it's okay to not have voted.
7. In Instant Majority Lynch, once a majority has been reached, please do not post until the night is over.
Signups:
Eligibility
This game is open to anyone, but we are using Wisdom of the Crowds, see below for details. Anyone may sign up for this game if they have played at least 1 game on TL Mafia. If this is your first game on TL but you have played elsewhere and want to sign up, please PM me and we'll work something out.
Special Signup rule: Wisdom of the Crowds
If you do not wish to play with a player for any reason, PM me, if I receive enough votes against a player then he or she will not be allowed to play in this game. Your vote against a player will be held in the strictest confidence. You *must* be signed up to vote against someone. I reserve the right to override this rule, and also to bar players from signing up for this game based entirely on my own arbitrary judgement.
Invites
This is a NON invite game. Signups are totes open.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List, and also type /sitout in the thread here.
Replacements
I love replacements, but I hope never to use them. There are 3 replacement slots, so sign up if you're interested. Replacements will be made up until the start of D3. You're encouraged to find your own replacement if you need to replace out, and if you do so, I will smile upon you. If you see me posting in the replacement thread asking for replacements, ignore it.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
By default, unless stated otherwise in the OP, this game will follow a night-less/endless day cycle. The day lasts until a majority is reached. If enough time passes without a majority being lynched, I will post in the thread and state a deadline for a no-lynch in order to prevent horrible 3-week-long days where nothing happens. If a day happens to be long but discussion is still moving, I will not do this. You may not post at night. The night lasts until all night actions are in to both me and the co-hosts. After that, I'll wait a certain amount of time between 0 hours and 12 hours, then post the day post. This delay is to protect the anonymity of scum and blues.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Thanks to all my co-hosts, from all time.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I might give you candy.
I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask.
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