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On February 02 2011 08:24 Holcan wrote:
Poker has been socially acceptable for a hundred years as a way of generating competition, they don't have the same problem of fighting each other over the same small sponsors, since there are hundreds of corporations not associated with poker willing to advertise through them.
I disagree that poker has always been acceptable. Poker was regarded as unacceptable as a profession up until very recently. E-sports today is where poker was 10, 20, 30, maybe 40 years ago. I don't know when e-sports will gain mainstream acceptance. But I do know that interest is growing and as long as interest is growing, it will eventually reach mainstream success at some point. I also think that it will probably happen in our lifetimes. Honestly, all you have to do is look at Korea.
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On February 02 2011 09:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote:
"So this Boxer guy just got a contract for 170K USD a year, and that might be one of the highest salary. There are 25000ish medical students in the US each year, and each one of them, once graduate residency, will earn at least 150K, and more depend on speciality"
I am glad I picked my path, and it wasn't progaming. It takes intelligence to game well, intelligence that can be used to do other things.
I don't think any well-informed person would argue that being a professional SC2 player is a choice one makes for the easy money. (Of course, that's true of medical doctors as well.)
Choosing to be a Starcraft pro is probably closer to being a graduate student in the humanities these days -- it's an enormous amount of work and the likelihood of being the lucky one who makes a living wage is very low. 
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On February 02 2011 09:18 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 09:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote:
"So this Boxer guy just got a contract for 170K USD a year, and that might be one of the highest salary. There are 25000ish medical students in the US each year, and each one of them, once graduate residency, will earn at least 150K, and more depend on speciality"
I am glad I picked my path, and it wasn't progaming. It takes intelligence to game well, intelligence that can be used to do other things. I don't think any well-informed person would argue that being a professional SC2 player is a choice one makes for the easy money. (Of course, that's true of medical doctors as well.) Choosing to be a Starcraft pro is probably closer to being a graduate student in the humanities these days -- it's an enormous amount of work and the likelihood of being the lucky one who makes a living wage is very low.
medical profession doesnt give you easy money, but a stable living.
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Medical is guaranteed money for a lot of hard work. And a very stable job too.
SC2, on the other hand... you better be damn talented or have a sexy voice to make a living off of it.
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its not stable and dependable enough yet. only like top 10 people in the entire USA makes some money- and really its not that much nor dependable. to be a decent confident career, it would need to employ top 10% with decent money.
very very very few can be a top sc2 gamer and pay his mortgage, car insurance, food, and send his kids to college. it might make you some money if you live with your parents and don't have to pay the house bill/ car bill/ utilities and send your 2.4(average of America) kids to college. oh yeah don't forget medical insurance and all that. its just not viable unless you live at home and your parents pay the bills. (probly none can do this atm.) oh yeah dont forget a mortgage is 30 years.. you will also need the career to be viable for 30 years.
esports still has a long way to go.
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Get mad steez then move to Korea and win 300 million Won every month, see if thats enough money for you
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On February 02 2011 09:49 zimz wrote:
very very very few can be a top sc2 gamer and pay his mortgage, car insurance, food, and send his kids to college.
Wait, are we talking about making a minimal subsistence living, or are we talking about buying a house, a car, a mortgage, and sending kids to college? Those are two different things. I don't see the esport thing going to the second place anywhere soon.
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in terms of financial stability - no form of professional entertainer will ever have a stable job. pro basketball players can lose their job in 1 injury. pro starcraft players can likewise lose their entire career even if they just dont play as well for a little bit.
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On February 02 2011 10:12 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 09:49 zimz wrote:
very very very few can be a top sc2 gamer and pay his mortgage, car insurance, food, and send his kids to college. Wait, are we talking about making a minimal subsistence living, or are we talking about buying a house, a car, a mortgage, and sending kids to college? Those are two different things. I don't see the esport thing going to the second place anywhere soon.
well just saying its just not a really stable career, and you would be wise to have another job on the side like ThisIsJimmy.
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On February 02 2011 10:17 JiYan wrote:
in terms of financial stability - no form of professional entertainer will ever have a stable job. pro basketball players can lose their job in 1 injury. pro starcraft players can likewise lose their entire career even if they just dont play as well for a little bit.
untrue. a pro basketball player just needs to sign a 5 year contract, and the minimum is like 1 million a year as long as its not your first year(rookie year- in this case its still like 400 thousand.) NBA. and the average salary is like 4million or something. so you only need 1 years worth of money to be pretty well off for life if your smart with the 4m. ( put in savings account/etc, open restaurant)
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On February 02 2011 09:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote:
This is what my father said about SC2 and boxer
"So this Boxer guy just got a contract for 170K USD a year, and that might be one of the highest salary. There are 25000ish medical students in the US each year, and each one of them, once graduate residency, will earn at least 150K, and more depend on speciality"
I am glad I picked my path, and it wasn't progaming. It takes intelligence to game well, intelligence that can be used to do other things.
But there are plenty of intelligent people who do not have the means to pursue a career as a doctor or an engineer, and there is no shame in that 
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On February 02 2011 09:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote:
This is what my father said about SC2 and boxer
"So this Boxer guy just got a contract for 170K USD a year, and that might be one of the highest salary. There are 25000ish medical students in the US each year, and each one of them, once graduate residency, will earn at least 150K, and more depend on speciality"
I am glad I picked my path, and it wasn't progaming. It takes intelligence to game well, intelligence that can be used to do other things.
Source?
America is heading for one of the biggest economic busts in the history of our civilization. Artificially inflated global reserve currency, combined with contracts between FDI corps and international corps for access to their domestic market via sale/trade of the domestic currency = USD instability.
Instability + speculation = hyperinflation. Not "in"flation, but hyperinflation.
Just wait for it. ...sooner or later China will also recognize US debt as Sunk and, then, will US be really screwed. Remember, US is the land of importing and debt. There is nothing the US exports that holds any value to anyone - today (aside oil, but we all know what's going on with oil).
Bottom line, a "StabalizeD" $150, 000 is bullshit expectation that business ends of Universities spew, only to solidify enrollment. $150, 000 CF valuation, per year makes for the upfront initial investment of at least $300, 000 (min) seem incomparable to anything other than a BARGAIN (you make $300, 000 back, after tax (~50% for 150k salaries) in about 5-6 years, with gradual spending/speed saving. However, that is deductible - to an extent.
Bottom line: $150, 000 salary is bullshit.
Now I'm in this train of thought, I'd like us to reflect on what "we" as a universally developed society defines a 3rd world society as (i.e. criterion, characteristics and qualitative information).
Unemployment >20%?
Us recognizes 18% unemployed (330M populous)
-> however, another 13% are unemployed, but are neglected by this statistic due to not receiving unemployment benefits. This is how you confound a statistic that your debtors use to consider whether or not feeding the elephant is still worth while.
Job creation?
Exactly what does US export, in labor today? 10 years ago, US was the leading exporter in Capital labor. Today? China, India and Russia are leading the movement for Capital labor (Most Asian nations will always hold the title for leading labor exporters).
Huge public debt = low public employment. This is usually the defualt for most workers to find employment in...
In all actuality, I'd say e-sports (if you have the ability) is a growing career, given it's acceptance throughout the world. (Millions in game sales and the GSL was the MOST watched sport-related video when it's aired).
New bottom line: save your money, in something other than US notes. ...this is all US currency will always be in my eyes - IOU notes from a falsified 'private' bank that prints billions by the hour, off the books.
I feel the need to keep adding to my last input:
I say there is a possible future for e-sports (starcraft 2 in particular) for several reasons. Most notably, the MV of the audience that watches. Currently, software products (computers, accessors, etc.) are the primary sponsors of most tournaments, etc. Just wait for telecommunication products and a variety of other huge products to be a "norm" or "compliment" to SC2 players (from clothing, to certain types of Cellphone tablets).
I see the possibility for, given where technology is moving, the E-sport scene to be HIGHLY under valued. Remember, the number of "players" is low, by comparison to those who "watch" the games. I'm a great example of this, I watch probably 9:1 relative to game play hours.
I wouldn't count on E-sports "consistently" paying your bills; however, I sure as shit see it funding vacations, vehicle allowance, etc. as a secondary income supplement. Sadly, so few people actually work multiple jobs today. ...when really, you should be trying to reduce your debt as fast as you humanly can.
I think a recent canadian statistic was:
~less than 10% of Canadians have anything saved for retirement... America = 0%.
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On February 02 2011 10:25 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 09:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote:
This is what my father said about SC2 and boxer
"So this Boxer guy just got a contract for 170K USD a year, and that might be one of the highest salary. There are 25000ish medical students in the US each year, and each one of them, once graduate residency, will earn at least 150K, and more depend on speciality"
I am glad I picked my path, and it wasn't progaming. It takes intelligence to game well, intelligence that can be used to do other things. But there are plenty of intelligent people who do not have the means to pursue a career as a doctor or an engineer, and there is no shame in that
Very true. Also, its not just about the money, it is also about fulfilling a passion and reaping the joy of that. What you do not make financially could indeed be compensated with just the gratification that you are involved in something you genuinely enjoy doing and in an atmosphere you are most comfortable in.
But speaking financially, e-sports is an inevitability on a large scale as technology is dissipated more and more throughout our society. The question is just when. If you hop on the train at the right point, it could certainly lead to a very successful career.
Think about it, in 30 or 40 years, Day[9] could transform into the John Madden of SC2.
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it is very uncommon for a 'professional gamer' in NA to make any kind of salary.
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On February 02 2011 09:17 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 08:24 Holcan wrote:
Poker has been socially acceptable for a hundred years as a way of generating competition, they don't have the same problem of fighting each other over the same small sponsors, since there are hundreds of corporations not associated with poker willing to advertise through them. I disagree that poker has always been acceptable. Poker was regarded as unacceptable as a profession up until very recently. E-sports today is where poker was 10, 20, 30, maybe 40 years ago. I don't know when e-sports will gain mainstream acceptance. But I do know that interest is growing and as long as interest is growing, it will eventually reach mainstream success at some point. I also think that it will probably happen in our lifetimes. Honestly, all you have to do is look at Korea.
As a profession, sure, but people were still competing in it, making quite a nice living, in esports most of the people live off their parents, they dont support themselves off tournament winnings. You cant really compare the two, since poker actually has money in it, and esports is a bunch of poor college kids living off their parents dollar.
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On February 02 2011 08:57 qxc wrote:
coaching is where the money is at. Tournaments are too infrequent/inconsistent - prizes are paid too late (I still havn't been paid for NYC IEM in october which is around $1500) as well as the fact that if you don't win you basically get shafted in terms of money earned.
Coaching + youtube partnership + streaming ad revenue. If you just want to play and make enough money to survive gl - the scene isn't really there yet.
same, actually i havnt even been paid for IEM Cologne yet, sad
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Its really something for a "student" if you do it for your own fun, as a small extra.
If you want to earn money, just get a job and play the game just for your own fun.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 02 2011 10:55 goodvibes wrote:
America is heading for one of the biggest economic busts in the history of our civilization. Artificially inflated global reserve currency, combined with contracts between FDI corps and international corps for access to their domestic market via sale/trade of the domestic currency = USD instability.
Instability + speculation = hyperinflation. Not "in"flation, but hyperinflation.
Just wait for it. ...sooner or later China will also recognize US debt as Sunk and, then, will US be really screwed. Remember, US is the land of importing and debt. There is nothing the US exports that holds any value to anyone - today (aside oil, but we all know what's going on with oil).
This post is so grossly exaggerated it's absurd. All just fear-mongering. If China decided to call in the U.S. debt one day, the U.S. would probably default. And the world would go to shit. This is very similar to the situation in the EU where Germany wanted to keep these near bankrupt countries like Spain and Greece from defaulting because they have nothing to gain from losing that debt. They won't call in the debt any time soon, they have no current incentive to do so. China simply does not have the domestic consumption in place to thrive so well without the U.S. On February 02 2011 10:55 goodvibes wrote:
Now I'm in this train of thought, I'd like us to reflect on what "we" as a universally developed society defines a 3rd world society as (i.e. criterion, characteristics and qualitative information).
Unemployment >20%?
Us recognizes 18% unemployed (330M populous)
-> however, another 13% are unemployed, but are neglected by this statistic due to not receiving unemployment benefits. This is how you confound a statistic that your debtors use to consider whether or not feeding the elephant is still worth while.
US recognized unemployment rate is at 9.4% ( Source). That is the unemployed members of the labor force. This is probably higher because the numbers don't take into account people who quit looking for jobs. However, it's extremely unlikely that the true unemployment is anywhere near 20%. On February 02 2011 10:55 goodvibes wrote:
New bottom line: save your money, in something other than US notes. ...this is all US currency will always be in my eyes - IOU notes from a falsified 'private' bank that prints billions by the hour, off the books.
The U.S. dollar is the same as any fiat currency. It's all just paper. In fact, things like precious metals that aren't used in manufacturing are just as worthless. Why would I want gold in a zombie apocalypse? It's worthless too. The only thing that gives it value is other people. I'm not saying don't diversify, but no U.S. dollars? That's just ridiculous. On February 02 2011 10:55 goodvibes wrote:
I think a recent canadian statistic was:
~less than 10% of Canadians have anything saved for retirement... America = 0%.
...Yeah that makes sense. So apparently after retirement 100% of Americas populous is instantly fucked.
As far as e-sports for a career. If it's possible for you, then you're probably already doing it.
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I know some of the salaries of the pro gamers or should I say asking prize since I'm a friend of ex-manager of RAGE (I dunno if his in buttonbashers or something) but of course for secrecy I'm not going to open my mouth :O
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On February 02 2011 08:01 Stevelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:55 TT1 wrote:
casters make like 10x more money than top gamers Pretty much this. With the amount of money Youtube gives out for moderate traffic videos, casters like Husky could easily make up to $100k/yr. Not a bad deal considering that's about 5-10 hours of work per week.
And this is why I hate the clown, if only he could be as smart and helpful as day9... maybe...
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