EPT[SPL] Grand Finals: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 398
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VioRem
Australia14 Posts
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hmmm...
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
SKT got the best possible matches they could have hoped for, it just didn't go their way. I hope Best doesn't take it too hard- especially considering he just came out of that bad slump. Personally, I would have gone for Bisu in the ace match. In such a high pressure situation, I think Bisu could have kept his cool and played a little more crisp thanks to the momentum he's had all season. But hey, Park is a coach, and I'm not, so what do I know.  I think it would have been extra epic to see such a final showdown between the two super-aces, and arguably the two best players in BW right now. Either way, great games, just what I hoped for in a finals. Better luck next year SKT! Now I just hope my boy Kim Taek Yong can continue his momentum and rock the MSL. After performing so phenomenally this proleague season, it wouldn't feel right if he didn't have SOME kind of 1st place trophy to show for it. GG KT, GG SKT, and grats to Flash and the KT Coach! A lot of people on KT, (like Violet) will surely be energized by this win, and they certainly deserve it. I hope the SKT fans don't beat themselves up too much, you guys played a hell of a season. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 20 2011 10:43 Keone wrote: Not at all. I am 100% positive that Best was training JUST to snipe Flash. Why else would he be sent out in ACE? I'm pretty sure SKT coaches got exactly what they wanted... they just couldn't make it work in the actual games. Obviously he knew he'd play Flash, that's not what I meant. | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:01 VioRem wrote: almost exactly 50-50 votes for each team :L Thats only for the OP poll. People voting on visible polls on TL like to even things out for hype: KT/SKT, Flash/JD, etc. The LB tells a different story :/ | ||
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KRaver
Canada1264 Posts
 Flash W00t W00t ~! | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:10 Reuental wrote: I still can't fathom why people think that Best is so good vs flash. Best is only good vs Flash is flash does his typical standard strats and lets him get 80 gateways. Flash with preparation will just bitch slap Best every time. Bisu is the only real viable option they could of thrown against flash and they failed to do so hoping that Flash would play a standard game and let Best do whatever he wants. Best is good at 1 specific situation and Flash is way better than Best in any other situation. I've been saying this for a long time. So long Flash does something besides ultra conservative and defensive strategies, he will smash Best because Best isn't well rounded enough. Didn't expect Flash to win this easily though, he never wins straight 200/200 macro games against Best - you can say he won NATE MSL game 2 but that had Flash aggressively rushing Best within the first 10 minutes. I can understand why they picked Best though. I suppose they believed Best's confidence in the matchup would allow him to beat Flash on a large map geared towards macrofests. Its unfortunate that Best lost against Flash previously since that probably did a number on his fragile ego. While they could have sent Fantasy or Bisu, I doubt they exclusively practiced PvT like Best did and I believe Best was always going to be the ace choice for SKT. Its a bit hard to ask Bisu or Fantasy to play a fairly unprepared game against a prepared Flash for obvious reasons (you are going to lose). | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
yeah i know bisus a stronger player than best, just rubbing it in | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + still trying to get this to 400 pages even though the games ended nearly 30 pages ago  | ||
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Vazze
Sweden279 Posts
On August 20 2011 10:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: Maybe if the hatch is in your opponent's main it's cheese. When it's at another base entirely to gather resources? Not so much. From what i've heard, the definition of cheese is a strategy that works if unscouted and backfires when scouted. Had Hoejja placed his hatch in his main, s2 would've sent out his lings to pressure. The hatch was placed in his 3rd and therefore was not scouted by s2's first overlord. s2 is then forced to block his choke because he expects 12pool/9pool which means he has inferior amounts of lings. Not to mention that had the hatch been scouted early it would've been harder to defend it (not that it would happen though) Edit: Spelling | ||
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Winechu
Singapore1186 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:10 Reuental wrote: I still can't fathom why people think that Best is so good vs flash. Best is only good vs Flash is flash does his typical standard strats and lets him get 80 gateways. Flash with preparation will just bitch slap Best every time. Bisu is the only real viable option they could of thrown against flash and they failed to do so hoping that Flash would play a standard game and let Best do whatever he wants. Best is good at 1 specific situation and Flash is way better than Best in any other situation. Prior to this series, Best had a winning record against Flash. He's the closest player to being a "Flash sniper" there is, other than JD. Best delivered most of the time this season when he was tasked to face Flash. Why wouldn't the coach trust him for the job this time either? The only reason Bisu and Fanta would be a better pick was if Flash wasn't the guaranteed ace for KT. But Flash was sent so given that situation, it was the best decision SKT could've made. Why are people making it out as if Bisu is the clear cut best pick? He isn't, in fact even Fantasy would've stood a better chance imo. | ||
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Kira Yamato
Vietnam5 Posts
 . And upgrade, when Flash push out, his upgrade is 2-1, and it's able to blow up toss army with Vessels, meanwhile Best upgrade is only 1-0-0 at that time ==! | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 20 2011 12:06 Vazze wrote: From what i've heard, the definition of cheese is a strategy that works if unscouted and backfires when scouted. Had Hoejja placed his hatch in his main, s2 would've sent out his lings to pressure. The hatch was placed in his 3rd and therefore was not scouted by s2's first overlord. s2 is then forced to block his choke because he expects 12pool/9pool which means he has inferior amounts of lings. Not to mention that had the hatch been scouted early it would've been harder to defend it (not that it would happen though) Edit: Spelling Almost every cheese ever involves a blind build meant to attack your opponent -- the most notorious cheeses are things like proxy buildings or 4pools or the like. Your definition is far to broad and basically encompasses EVERY single early game build that has a modicum of risk to it. 12 hatch is very, very common in ZvZ -- the positioning did not matter that much as S2 was rushing lair anyhow. The idea of changing your expansion is so a 9pool doesn't instantly research speed or send lings out -- it's not a blind risky strategy, it's literally just something meant to defuse one of the main counters to 12 hatch. There's absolutely, 100% nothing cheesey about it. | ||
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nodnod
New Zealand172 Posts
On August 20 2011 10:43 Keone wrote: Not at all. I am 100% positive that Best was training JUST to snipe Flash. Why else would he be sent out in ACE? I'm pretty sure SKT coaches got exactly what they wanted... they just couldn't make it work in the actual games. Totally agree. Best gets paid to perform, but he didn't deliver, simple as that. | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
That kid played his ass off. Flash is too damn good at this game. I just got done watching the series and that final ace match was so intense. You could tell BeSt wanted nothing more than to win and he was doing somewhat of a decent job until that push started. It just...never...stopped. The GG timing was something awful but he was trying so hard with every last little unit he could snag. I can't believe Flash is injured and still plays like that. KT deserved that trophy, every bit of the way. Especially having to overcome Action and Roo's fucking pathetic showings. GG again KT fans, you guys have a great year. Next year, we'll be seeing you. Lol, maybe we'll have the final boss next time. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
Seemed like there is nothing that Best can do to stop it... Flash controls 200/200 army extremely well. Best couldn't find a good angle to engage and he was forced to engage in unfavorable positions. So happy KT defended the title! | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:20 moopie wrote: Thats only for the OP poll. People voting on visible polls on TL like to even things out for hype: KT/SKT, Flash/JD, etc. The LB tells a different story :/ We are the underdogs T_T as expected from tl.net | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
On August 20 2011 12:06 Vazze wrote: From what i've heard, the definition of cheese is a strategy that works if unscouted and backfires when scouted. Had Hoejja placed his hatch in his main, s2 would've sent out his lings to pressure. The hatch was placed in his 3rd and therefore was not scouted by s2's first overlord. s2 is then forced to block his choke because he expects 12pool/9pool which means he has inferior amounts of lings. Not to mention that had the hatch been scouted early it would've been harder to defend it (not that it would happen though) Edit: Spelling Cheese is that, but not all instances of that are cheese. Ninja expansions, for instance, or any kind of deception whatsoever. | ||
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