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nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
August 19 2011 22:01 GMT
#7901
I'm pretty disappointed Bisu wasn't sent as ace.

Even with Best having a better H2H record, Bisu was undisputedly the #1 SPL player this year, and should have been sent for the ace match of the grand final.

(Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic that Flash won.)
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8131 Posts
August 19 2011 22:02 GMT
#7902
yea i was so pumped when stats won and then so bummed when best was the ace. it shoulda been bisu vs flash
Free Palestine
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
August 19 2011 22:05 GMT
#7903
Ahhh great games. Just finished watching the vods...Im happy for KT and Flash. It must be a good feeling to be able to rest your hopes on Flash! GGs Ultimate Weapon!

BW never fails to deliver
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
illusiongamer
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico377 Posts
August 19 2011 22:08 GMT
#7904
On August 20 2011 03:50 SuperJongMan wrote:
Hey.. Hey Best.. hey Best... hey Besty Westy~
FUCK YOU!


here are the fans, I still loved Best and SKT1 zergs i knew you will lose, well I expect to fantasy lose too (with all his buildings flying and burning and no army) but he dissapoint me

and Bisu should do the ace match, for revenge of the winners final
"I'm such a fan of hooking" - Kaci Aitchison TI2013
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
August 19 2011 22:14 GMT
#7905
If it wasnt a ZvZ i would really love to see a Killer vs Hoejja set.

Both have turned a new corner this season and looking damn impressive.

I guess the other comeback kid would be Jangbi but vZ....
teamblackeye.com ///// http://www.youtube.com/user/gostunv ///// https://twitter.com/forgenjuro
Slaynte
Profile Joined April 2010
United States155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 22:16:25
August 19 2011 22:14 GMT
#7906
yeah best's facial expression as he was sent out made him look like he knew he was gonna get wrecked. You can't just go by the all-time head to head record. Sure best was doing well against flash this year compared to bisu, but for this season Bisu's PvT (24-5 = 83%) would've been much more reliable than Best's PvT (10-6 = 63%).
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
August 19 2011 22:18 GMT
#7907
GJ to all the teams and KT for winning it. I feel indifferent since CJ didn't win lol. Here's to another year of PL!
KT_Violet
Slaynte
Profile Joined April 2010
United States155 Posts
August 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#7908
this match hinged on hoejja and he delivered. i just rewatched the vod and it's ingenius how he made his 2nd hatch at his third. when s2 didn't see the 12 hatch at the natural with his ovie, he expected some kind of aggression and kept zerglings at his choke instead of sending them in because he didn't realize it was gas pool vs 12 hatch. i have to hand it to hoejja and the kt coaching staff.
arieszzw
Profile Joined January 2011
United States46 Posts
August 19 2011 22:50 GMT
#7909
Congrats to KT.
I am a bit disappointed that Bisu was not the ace, but I have to admit that Bisu would not have higher winning rate than Best, unless he prepared some really excellent strategies, like the SWL final. Fanta was not a good option either, as Flash is exceedingly better than anyone else in TvT. T1 had already lost when Stats made the ace game. I feel so bad for Best and hope he could recover soon from this loss, though he is known for not mentally strong.
GL to BW and T1 if we still have the next season.
almond
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 23:02:52
August 19 2011 23:02 GMT
#7910
Would have loved to see Bisu vs Flash for ace, but guess he didn't do that well in practice.
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
August 19 2011 23:09 GMT
#7911
I was cheering for SKT1 until Bisu was not sent for ace. Seriously? As a rabid Bisu fanboy, I cheered for KTFlash in the ace match
Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
August 19 2011 23:19 GMT
#7912
YEAHHHHHH KT! Win my liquibet!
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 23:31:43
August 19 2011 23:27 GMT
#7913
I think a lot of people forget that there any many factors to a coach's decision that the public doesn't even know about.

Mainly, it's about how well players do in practice in a certain matchup and how confident they feel. This means a) how much a certain player gets to prepare for a certain matchup and b) how well he does if he is ordered to prepare and of course c) how he considers his chances of beating the enemy (here: Flash).
My guess would be that Bisu and Fantasy were supposed to only play in their best matchup (Bisu: vZ, vP; Fantasy vZ and maybe vT). I don't know if it was ever considered to send out one of them against Flash before the ace game. I find it more reasonable to get two very safe wins from Fanta and Bisu and hope that the rest of the team (which should be stronger than KT until the ace) somehow gets two other kills - maybe by getting "lucky" with Best beating Flash.
This would lead to a lack of practice on both Fanta and Bisu against a Terran opponent, leaving Best with his miracle record as the obvious choice if he felt at least as confident as Bisu/Fanta in facing Flash.

Still, those aren't exactly things we (the public) know yet. The winners' interview doesn't provide that information either (because SKT lost, duh). We are confined to - educated - guessing. But coach Park shouldn't be condemned easily for a decision that was influenced by so many factors we don't know about.
Always smile~
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 23:32:34
August 19 2011 23:31 GMT
#7914
I just watched the finals, wow what an epic bo7. When Best was sent as Ace and lost I immediately thought hey, how would Bisu have performed if he had been sent instead of Best? I guess we'll never know.

Anyway as a KT fanboy I'm happy that they won in such an epic fashion, I mean going from 1-3 to 4-3 is quite a feat. Also I'm glad that Stats won his match. Very good stuff. However I can't help but feel bad for Best; the guy undoubtedly spent a lot of time and efforts praticing, only to get destroyed not once, but twice by the Ultimate Weapon. Can't blame him though, Flash is just too good. Forgive me for whining about balance in a LR thread but let it be known that Flash is totally imba.

Can't win against the god of ESPORTS, especially when the stakes are so high :p
o choro é livre
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
August 19 2011 23:32 GMT
#7915
Coach Park seemed to have over analyzed. Unless they had Best practicing nonstop pvt knowing in an ace match it'll be versus Flash, he was sending someone that already lost to Flash and sat on his proleague workhorse Bisu. He went with fantasy over bisu and won a proleague and even though I felt it was a slap in the face to their best player. Oh well, us bisu fans are just sad =(
bao235
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway97 Posts
August 19 2011 23:37 GMT
#7916
Congratulations to KT, but it was heartbreaking to watch T1 lose the final. So depressing.
It's pronounced without the L.
TyranoS_NiveK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States177 Posts
August 19 2011 23:46 GMT
#7917
On August 20 2011 08:32 stork4ever wrote:
Coach Park seemed to have over analyzed. Unless they had Best practicing nonstop pvt knowing in an ace match it'll be versus Flash, he was sending someone that already lost to Flash and sat on his proleague workhorse Bisu. He went with fantasy over bisu and won a proleague and even though I felt it was a slap in the face to their best player. Oh well, us bisu fans are just sad =(


I think Park was overconfident, and but all of his (metaphorical) eggs in the, "we'll win before Ace, LOL." It's already been mentioned and analyzed to death, in theory looking at the first 6 matchups, SKT got pretty much what the wanted (s2 vs zerg, soo vs P, Bisu vs Z, Best vs T, Fantasy vs Z scrub), but failed to materialize. In the end it seems that BeSt's preparation for ace seemed rather lackluster.

Just my $0.02. I'm still biased, so I still think Dr. K and BeSt should've worked out a nice build with Bisu to use in ace. Since he's out of the OSL, methinks he probably could have shouldered the burden. Still I'll wait for Bisu's 4th MSL gold (a guy can always dream right?)!
The best has yet to come.
Bop4yH
Profile Joined October 2007
United States67 Posts
August 19 2011 23:53 GMT
#7918
Congrats to KT, they deserved this win.
SKT coaches were incredible as usual, excellent overall game plan, every player got a very comfortable matchup, but the players failed to deliver. Even if they got 2 very lucky wins due to Perfective lack of experience and Actions overconfidence.

I don't think anyone could expect these results considering the actual lineups. Great job KT.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
August 19 2011 23:54 GMT
#7919
The first thing I checked when I got home was this thread and HOLY FUCK!

FLASHH!!! He's a GOD!

Sad I wasn't there to cheer KT on but congrats to them!! ^~^~!!
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
August 19 2011 23:54 GMT
#7920
I just realized that it should've been 6-1 if roo somehow didn't completely fail after those initial zerglings and action actually made some units especially lurkers, even 2 lurkers would've been completely enough to hold that push and be so far ahead on econ that it would've been impossible to lose
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