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3. Why does Alakaslam's martyring make him look scummy?
It's like a preemptive defense that an innocent player would not need. I mean c'mon, would you or I leave the thread and feel the need to defend ourselves in case someone attacked us while we were gone? Townies get called scum all the time, but they have an inherent innocence about their defense because they know the accusations are wrong. Scum know deep down the accusations are right and thus have this inherent guilt. That's why martyring is scummy, it shows that inherent guilt.
On July 05 2013 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:
May I learn from watching the greats within!
Thank you Mepak.
This just killed my desire to martyr even as scum, so no only are you improving my town play, but my scum play as well.
A little read list:
Mepak_ziph is town.
Geript is town.
Ace is likely town.
I don't know what to think of WoS.
DANDEL ION is leaving too fast. I don't like that.
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today.
See The voting thread -_-
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Okay I've been semi-following the thread since earlier today but on my phone so I just recently caught up. Still not liking WoS from what I've seen. I'm going to do the MZ likely/unlikely scum thing with my reasons. It will be 1-10, with 10 being town and 1 being scum
+ Show Spoiler +Meapak_Ziphh - Mostly level headed, scum hunts, but his current wanting to lynch Dandel is somewhat iffy for me. I mean, I think Dandel is more scummy than most of the other inactives...but there are other actives to look at :\ I wouldn't completely oppose it though. Anyways, 6.5/10Ace - He hasn't really done much. When I used to play mafia he was one of the more active players I seem to remember (I only played with him town I believe, I don't think I was ever scum) but this game is... nothing. I think this probably indicates just lack of interest or something rather than being scum, but I can't be sure. Can't really read anything with him, but definitely want him to be somewhat more active. 5/10MajuGarzett - Was going to put him in "Needs to post-tier" but he recently made a large post so I'll touch on him briefly. His arguments aren't really stirring my interest. I've got a town read on Vayne. And his argument on Onegu just isn't there for me. If Onegu was scum, it seems more likely that he would wait for a reply to see if it's something people agree with. His arguments aren't very strong for me so: 4/10Onegu - I really don't have much an opinion on Onegu. He hasn't posted anything of substance really, but he hasn't tripped any scum wires with me either. I'd like him to more actively hunt scum (and give opinions on people other than Chez) 4.5Geript - Actively posting thoughts and reads, pushing people for answers, etc. One of the most townie people in thread IMO. 7.5/10VayneAuthority - He leaves much to be desired for sure but he seems genuine and unafraid. I'd prefer he'd be more active but he seems townie enough. 5.5/10 StrongandBig - read his filter... 3/10Gumshoe - He seems sort of nooby and hasn't been doing much. I don't really like his way of playing currently, but he definitely looks more nooby than scummy atm. Not sure though, he could really be either. 5/10OriginalName - His hopping on the bandwagon for me seems to come at a perfect time for scum, I think. Additionally, he goes from voting for me to saying he'll probably hop off, all in under an hour. He just seems to be agreeing with people and not putting any additional thoughts out there...scummy as hell. 3/10TanGeng - He also hops on my bandwagon with no reasons why, at a good time for scum. He also hasn't been scumhunting...like at all. He's just saying that other people have been doing scumhunting and he agrees. No real reads out of him. Feeling scum. 3/10Xatalos - Hope I don't have to explain, but he's like really townie. 9/10Alakaslam - Active as fuck pregame, less active during the game but okay. His "martyring" was a little strange but I don't really think anything of it. He needs to post more of his thoughts though. He really has been just sliding by without saying much, which seems scummy but eh I dunno. Seems more scummy than towny. 4/10WaveofShadow - Active as fuck when tunneling me but goes a lot more inactive when the bandwagon starts to fall off. Then he discards his bandwagon as "eh, he's probably town, whatever". Since then, he hasn't done much, hiding under the shadows sharing no opinions...But I have to admit that there are probably better options. 4/10raynpelikoneet - active, a little iffy here and there, but mostly a town read from him. definitely not a good lynch target. 6/10Nirvana.Gabo - Not liking him one bit. He votes Onegu because he doesn't like his read. Nirvana says Chezinu is a crazy guy like its common knowledge and that by even suggesting that Chezinu is scum that Onegu must be scum. So, yeah, Nirvana's looking pretty scummy for me. 3.5/10FirmTofu - seems like he should have his "mega post" out by now, but I won't say that's scummy. He hasn't been very active but looks to be more active now, so I'll reserve my judgement on him... 5/10Chezinu - I have no fucking idea I have no fucking ideaaustinmcc - seems to be chasing nothing. I'd like him to be more active -- not in posting -- but in actually giving thought out opinions on people. He's leaning scum on me because he really hasn't contributed much... 4.5/10Needs to post-tier (null unless bold which is at least somewhat more scummy than the other inactives) - Dandel Ion, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Abenson, CaucasianAsian, jampidampi, Wow, going through filters is depressing. It shows how many people don't post at all ffs 
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On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak:On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now.
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On July 08 2013 07:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Geript, my ally: what thinks ye of Ace? You know far more about this great one than I.
This looks more like his game from TheGame than LXI (town vs 3p), but both of those games aren't good games to compare to for many reasons. He replaced into TheGame on N1/D2 and there proceeded to be an exceptionally odd compulsive VE 3P claim (long story) which lead to a lynch on Ace for inactivity. LXI was a weird game because scum was exceptionally lurky and as a poisoner Ace got roleblocked a few times but had stepped up into an active lynch leader position around D3-5 because otherwise his house of cards would fall like dust. Plus, I was scum in both of those games so I wasn't really analyzing him that deep in any comprehensive regard and moreso trying to stay alive. Nothing he's said makes me want to lynch him.
Please explain why you have a townread on M_Z, why you think think Rayn is scum especially after M_Z basically admitted that Rayn looks like town not scum, and why you don't have any read on WoS.
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Why is no one saying hi to me?
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On July 08 2013 08:59 Z-BosoN wrote:Why is no one saying hi to me?
I thought you were catching up on the thread? Don't you think that's more important than being greeted? What are your opinions on everything going on? Who's scum?
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On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak: Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now.
Vote is based on the exchanges they had too.
However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote.
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If anyone gets cold feet on this shit let it be known that I am down for a Caucasian or dandel lynch as well, after reading up on the recent back and forth this is kinda textbook dandel scum from playing scum with him
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On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me.
Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves.
On July 07 2013 22:50 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm.. What has made WoS worthy of your tunneling action? IMO he looks more townish than in PTP so far.
Sometimes simple is the right explanation. Like we should have lynched austinmcc earlier in PTP, but then we got sidetracked :/ johnnywup and Onegu have been vague and waffly so far -> good chances of flipping scum. No need to make it too complicated with "gathering votes too fast" or something like that.
I dont think JW has been waffly at all. I don't see anyone with votes on him with strong reasoning. Of the people voting him who have has legit reasoning?
@Johnny: Your vote on WoS looks like a gutread. You said you felt strongly about WoS being Scum last night. Tangeng has posted also - how does he not show up more scummy than Wos to you?
***just read Wos's post being a gutread
Ok jw I actually think you should look harder at Tangeng and Abenson if this is your reasoning.
Also, the Chezinu situation. It seems his nuke has been glossed over, even though it appears real. He should also be getting votes right now as he knows better than to nuke someone so early on.
@Chezinu: Can you actually explain why Xatalos was nuked, and why him over any other person in the thread.
On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything.
Explain the reasons why a Chezinu lynch is stupid (it may not be optimal, but stupid it isn't). Are you only going to support his lynch if Xatalos dies and flips Town? After the nuke was fired Chezinu disappeared and offered no explanation. If that nuke is real based on the mod's post then he knew what he was doing.
On July 08 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 01:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 08 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnny is probably town, get your votes off him. Maju for example is far better target, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with my Chezinu-analysis you should be obviously voting for him. Honestly, I'd say that him flipping scum wouldn't surprise me. That nuke was insane as either alignment but makes slightly more sense as scum. Still, there are so many shady characters in the thread right now that I'm inclined to lynch one of them. Chezinu should reveal himself as scum more easily as the game continues (given his apparently careless play). They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it?
I doubt anyone is getting buffed by nukes. He probably has protection, like something equivalent to a 1 shot bulletproof vest (Veteran) if hit by a nuke. Don't really see people getting more powers when targeted for a kill in games.
@WoS: I don't think its smart to ask people to reveal who has nuking power.
On July 08 2013 02:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh right you were nuked.
Since people seemed to advocate not freaking out trying to save Xat, what do you think people should do regarding yoiu? Well I'm dead and there's no obvious killer. There's and outside chance this is oatsmaster's nuke and it was redirected to me but idk how likely it is. I'm still very much an advocate of not freaking out which people have done so that's good I'm gonna do a mega list of reads on everyone who's posted so that when I flip people will have that to work off of. I'm just incredibly pissed :/
How did you come to this conclusion?
On July 08 2013 02:45 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:46 Ace wrote:On July 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 08:35 Ace wrote:On July 07 2013 08:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 08:28 Ace wrote:
This feels very familiar. Didn't rayne get lynched because people jumped the gun on him in Carnival Cruise? Didn't read/play cruise. Explain similarities. Rayne caught pressure in CCM early on even though imo he wasn't screwing shit up. I thought he got lynched but he got vigi'd by Vivax I think. I have never got lynched, vigged or any other town-killed as town, and i won't. I'm pretty sure that isn't true, i think I've actually been in a game where you got mislynchef. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:21 Ace wrote:On July 07 2013 08:19 Chezinu wrote:On July 07 2013 07:59 Ace wrote:
how do we win this game? Greetings Father, I'm am Chezinu Isunizehc. Do you remember me? I know its been a while since you have last seen me, but I am in grave need right now. I have found out there are individuals that wish my termination and rumors that they have spoken about nuking me. For your image, you must save me. If you can't save your son, what will people think? I know you hate me and think of me as a monster, but the best thing to do right now is the hide this monster in your vault. Periodically, you can allow me to speak with the people to prove that I am safe. I know a deserve worse in your eyes, but the people and I leave you know choice. Your Monster, Chezinu Isunizehc oh shit! BasedGod Chezinu da Brown! ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/bowdown.gif) ##swag ##tybg
##turnedup ##swag
@MZ: let my scum meta flourish 
On July 08 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Also. Chezinu should be given a day or maybe two max. He's pretty decent as town but thrives on chaos (from both alignments); but I think his mindset is a bit more obvious when given time.
Nah. If we don't get answers from him now, something will come up in the future and we won't have time to deal with it. Right now based on where I'm up to reading, this Chezinu situation along with JW's wagon and WoS are what's being talked about. We've got enough time to discuss with him before Xata flips (if he dies).
@ Nirvana.Gabo: Even if Chezinu is crazy, don't you think he should give some explanation for his nuke?
##vote Chezinu
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak: On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now. Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote.
jeez dude that flip flop. what's up? what do you actually think? who should be lynched?
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On July 08 2013 09:02 johnnywup wrote:I thought you were catching up on the thread? Don't you think that's more important than being greeted? What are your opinions on everything going on? Who's scum?
You are scum, Ace is scum... we'll get to that later.
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Ace: I addressed that I do think that there are probably better candidates for lynching than WoS. I also did look at tangeng (look at that big post I just made) and I don't think there's enough to go on for Abenson.
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak: On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now. Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. Which exchanges in particular had you scummy on rayn/what posts pull you back the other way? I don't care oodles and oodles about changed minds, but it helps to actually know where your mind was and is.
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@Geript: this is the main reason for the M_Z faith:
On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so I just went down the line of filters:
Dandel: Made a statement about afking through the day phase and has thus far followed through with it. His play is very different from town Dandel and I would not at all be opposed to seeing him lynched.
Verdict: Possible Scum
Ghost_403: No posts
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass
Oatsmaster: his only post thus far has been nuking johnnywup. He really needs to post more because right now he really leaves a lot to be desired… especially since I’m not ruling out his nuke being the one that’s aimed at me.
Verdict: Null
Stutters695: Two posts, one saying he’s awake and the other saying he’s reading the thread. Would love to know what information he gleaned from his read through.
Verdict: Null
Z-Boson: No posts
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass
Abenson: Two posts, one talking about how shitty the thread is and one speculating on the setup.
Verdict: Possible Scum
Meapak: Fantastic posts, truly enlightening filter, someone every mafia play should aspire to.
Verdict: Towniest Townie who ever Towned
Ace: decent posts, isn’t reading the thread very well, but most definitely isn’t scum for easily noticeable meta reasons. Seriously if you doubt me on this one just go look at any Ace scum game ever and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Verdict: Probably Town
MajuGarzett: Two utterly worthless question posts.
Verdict Possible Scum
Johnnywup: Really not as bad as people kept making him out to be. Sure his entrance post wasn’t good but he’s obviously trying and does not seem defensive or inherently guilty. He just looks like any regular noob player who rolled town.
Verdict: Probable Town
Onegu: See this is a point in which I wish this was a PM game because I’d love to organize some pressure against this dude to see how he reacts. His posts have a very vague feel to them but there’s nothing there yet that I would call definitively scummy. I guess the best I can do is keep an eye on him and see what happens:
Verdict: Null
Geript: I’m eager to see his reasoning behind the list of people he wants to lynch but overall I feel very good about him this game. He’s posting well and is thinking along the same lines I am. Also after being scum with him in the last game, his behavior is so different this game I just have to use a little meta.
Verdict: Probably Town
VayneAuthority: hmm tricky one. On one hand his posts feel very natural and open which is good because it means he’s not hiding anything but on the other hand he’s been useless thus far. He’s another one I’m going to have to wait and see on.
Verdict: Null
Strongandbig: only just started playing, I’ll wait and see.
Verdict: Null
Gumshoe: I actually agree with s&b that gumshoe’s constant talk of nukes is odd but I don’t think it’s damning. Aside from the nuke talk I actually didn’t really have any problems with gumshoe.
Verdict: Possible Town
OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things.
Verdict: Probably Town
TanGeng: For someone who doesn’t have a lot of posts this dude is surprisingly coherent and smart.
Verdict: Possible Town
Xatalos: this bro and I are dying which is too bad because he’s def town
Verdict: Probable Town
CaucasianAsian: One post talking about the thread.
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass
Alakaslam: For all the pregame spam he had he’s been very quiet now that the actual game has started. That coupled with his little martyr post (watch me be scummy by tomorrow morning) tells me that I should fulfill his prophecy.
Verdict: Possible Scum
WaveOfShadow: last game as scum I wrote what I thought was actually a very decent piece of analysis (albeit fake) against WoS. I see him doing a lot of stuff that I had brought up in my analysis again which makes me think we’re dealing with a town WoS
Verdict: Probably Town
Jampidampi: New player, don’t recognize him, he at least seems like he’s trying to play the game.
Verdict: Possible Town
Raynpelikoneet: lolscum
Verdict: Probably Scum
Nirvana.Gabo: promised to be active, he has a few more hours left of grace period.
Verdict: Null
FirmTofu: said he needed a few minutes to read the thread, never got back.
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass
Chezinu: possibly town, don’t really feel like arguing with the jubjubs about this one.
Verdict: Possibly Town
Austinmcc: need to see some activity bro :/ I liked it when he was posting but now that it slacked off a bit I don’t like the feeling. If Austin comes back I’ll feel much better, if he stays away I’ll start thinking scum.
Verdict: Null
Ok so tl;dr
Probably scum: raynpelikoneet
Possible scum: Danel, abensen, MajurGarzett, Alakaslam
Null: oatsmaster, stutters, onegu, vayneauthority, strongandbig, Nirvana, austinmcc
Possible town: gumshoe, TanGeng, jampidampi, Chez
Probably town: Ace, Johnnywup, geript, originalname, xata, WoS
Towniest townie who ever town: Meapak_Ziphh
Vigi these lurkers ASAP: ghost_403, Z-Boson, CaucasianAsian, FirmTofu
As for WoS, I liked your case but reading dat filter did the same thing as reading rayn's did- the reason I have no read is that although I like your case, my gut says town.
I no longer think rayn is scum.
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote:[ Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Explain the reasons why a Chezinu lynch is stupid (it may not be optimal, but stupid it isn't). Are you only going to support his lynch if Xatalos dies and flips Town? After the nuke was fired Chezinu disappeared and offered no explanation. If that nuke is real based on the mod's post then he knew what he was doing.
I was leaning sub-optimal but at the time I thought there was a more powerful option in JW. As such I was trying to lead the thread towards more disscussion on that, calling Chezinu a stupid lynch was more to avoid too many tangents going at the same time and people getting distracted, I'm almost sure that Chezinu showing up to actually answer something is wishful thinking at this point, along with that he seems to imply that his nuke will implode midair and prehaps used it either a) cause a new topic of disscussion (perhaps trying to provoke a reaction out of Xatalos and others) or b) utter chaos. While in my opinion explanation A) is not nessicarily a scum move B) definitly would be. I just basically threw my hands up in the air and decided that we could probably find another target and leave Chez alone till we had more info. I tried to move towards diffusing the chaos from the nuke and move towards more leads as opposed to just tunneling Chez straight up and policy lynching him while town pats themselves on the back for the rest of the day on a job well done and getting minimal information while we sit waiting for flips.
I would absolutely support the lynch of Chezinu if Xatalos dies and flips town. I was more concerned with the Chezinu lynch in that there had to be a reason for it and i just feel that outing himself like that seems horrifically out of character for him. Chezinu is absolutely insane but he is not a complete idiot at the same time.
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austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.
Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?
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On July 08 2013 09:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:On July 08 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote:
And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. His case feels a little weak: On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null.
I'm gonna go answer your questions now. Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. Which exchanges in particular had you scummy on rayn/what posts pull you back the other way? I don't care oodles and oodles about changed minds, but it helps to actually know where your mind was and is.
Well, one is not reading total and complete filters, and seeing that M_Z quoted stuff rayn was saying, I forgot that I was seeing one side mostly. Reading rayn's filter absolved that.
I know it is simplistic and bad but it is true.
This game is a normal sized game, so there are a lot of filters to see but a lot of them are empty. So no info. Then those filters that do have something already have 4-6 pages! So I tried to get an idea quick but really I should just be working.
Keep up the questions, I want to be guided on what to look for. I will still look or stuff on my own of course.
Also: everything TL I do from my iPhone except in very rare cases. A lot of times I try to put "of". For whatever reason it has been correcting this to "I".
So anywhere that of would make more sense than I you are probably right.
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On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.
Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?
HEY YOU. QUALITY OR LYNCH. THIS IS WWIII!
NO MORE FLUFF.
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Alright back for the evening.
I have way more townreads than I do scumreads atm (which on one hand sucks yet on the other makes sense considering the ratio).
I could get behind a Dandel lynch today....MAYBE Chez.
Ace I saw you commenting on how it's bad to talk about whether a player has a nuke or not:
I was trying to lead Onegu into setup discussion to see if he would take the bait and go on with it. As you know in the recent newbie game you yourself instructed scum to stop the Nosy Neighbour talk after it had died down because they didn't want to be the only ones left cluttering up the thread. I wanted to see if he'd take it and run with it; he did not and as such i believe he has either taken your advice to heart as scum or is more likely town this game. I will see how he continues to play but for now I would not lynch Onegu.
To comment on Geript's tunnel of me----that's just what he do. He does it literally every game we've ever been in together, regardless of either of our alignments (I've always been town). I firmly believe him to be town this particular game so it hasn't really bothered me a great deal thus far, and whereas most games he tunnels me to the exclusion of all others, in this game he hasn't so it hasn't been counterproductive to scumhunting.
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