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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 06 2013 16:05 GMT
#621
EBWOP: In the event that I was RB'd and JK'd would I receive a notification for both of the actions?
Forgot bold.

Also, just got up, the time difference is really hurting us this game.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 18:00:31
January 06 2013 18:00 GMT
#622
No. The status "roleblock" is externally assigned as one entity, so stacking RBs still appear like one.
The protection status from Jailkeeping is hidden, and the RB part of it is treated as if it was a regular RB for the notification process.

Birthday hats!
(It's not my actual birthday though)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 06 2013 18:56 GMT
#623
well, happy birthday anyway Dandel and thanks for the information.
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 06 2013 19:29 GMT
#624
On January 07 2013 01:05 OmniEulogy wrote:
EBWOP: In the event that I was RB'd and JK'd would I receive a notification for both of the actions?
Forgot bold.

Also, just got up, the time difference is really hurting us this game.

Since you are asking this question, what makes you think both the scum RB and the JK would target you?
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 06 2013 19:47 GMT
#625
Because I was RB'd and was wondering if it would be possible to be targeted by both. If town JK did it, it's a poor move as has been said before, but I could see scum RB doing it. Mistaking my over-confidence in having no fear to be lynched D1 as a blue tell. I also did it on the small chance we had a cop, and I'm hoping we do and I just got hit by all 3 night actions available. If that happened I'd be fairly happy with where we ended up. Somebody would know I am town and scum RB wasted his night action. I really hoped if we had a JK though that he wouldn't target me as it would seem a bit obvious.

I highly doubt town JK would hit me though instead of protecting Mocsta/Cora so it must have been scum RB OR both of them as JK was confused and didn't know who to stop. All of it is just speculation though.

If you were town JK would you really pick me over protecting one of the stronger townies? Syl and Spag seem to think its possible but we all agree that it would be a pretty bad move.
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#626
@Mocsta

On January 05 2013 19:42 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote:
@Mocsta
Do you still think Omni is scum?


(1) I honestly don't know. Most of today has been me defending myself (an absolute waste of thread space), so I haven't been able to keep up to date with thread status quo.

I think you have had enough time to think of this. So I ask again, do you still Omni is scum? If not what in his paly changed your opinion?
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 06 2013 19:52 GMT
#627
@Everyone I know this is mostly speculation but as conversation is so slow I don't see how this can hurt.

Put yourself in the shoes of Cop N1, who do you think they would check and why? I'm curious in how people would think in that situation given that I am being looked at quite closely as scum. Would you check me to see if I am scum to confirm it, or assume I am and try to find a hidden scum in the lurkers / more active townies?
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 06 2013 20:09 GMT
#628
@Omni
I though it was not advised to talk about who a cop would target? Since then the mafia could bluehunt more efectively. If they know for example that a cop would target you, and then someone makes case against you and player C comes in and defends you against the case, wouldn't that make player C a good candidate for the cop and thus a candidate for the following nightkill?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 06 2013 20:13 GMT
#629
EBWOP: And since only one roleblock has been claimed anyway, the only way there would be cop is that the scum RB or the JK didn't target anyone, or both targeted Omni. I don't think a JK would target Omni, so doesn't that make this kinda pointless?
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 06 2013 20:24 GMT
#630
We don't even know if there is a cop, and if everybody gives their speculation I highly doubt it helps scum very much, especially as multiple people would have the same opinions. This is more about the way people are thinking at the moment not You ARE the cop. Clearly being 2 townies down and having a 3rd on the way to being lynched isn't bothering you very much. Plus we're only looking for 2 scum. If we can (and we need to) lynch scum tonight we'll hopefully have a JK and possibly a cop (best case scenario) N2.

Why are you so against giving out your thoughts on the matter? You already have a vote on you, clear up some of the concerns voiced and give us your opinion.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 06 2013 21:21 GMT
#631
EBWOP: I guess we lynch in 24 hours so not really "tonight" was thinking more of how the game has cycles and this is D2...

anyway considering you don't seem to want to continue the conversation... + Show Spoiler +
On January 07 2013 05:09 jampidampi wrote:
@Omni
I though it was not advised to talk about who a cop would target? Since then the mafia could bluehunt more efectively. If they know for example that a cop would target you, and then someone makes case against you and player C comes in and defends you against the case, wouldn't that make player C a good candidate for the cop and thus a candidate for the following nightkill?


How does this apply to what I've asked? A case has already been made on me, if people want to defend me like Cora did (partially) I would more than welcome it. If people want to continue to ask me questions I also welcome that as well.

What I don't understand is why you want to try and stop people from seeing each others thought process and stop the only conversation that has happened today. If you don't like it, come up with something else instead of going afk again.
Help Town. Contribute.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 06 2013 22:35 GMT
#632
On January 07 2013 00:03 Sylencia wrote:
@Mocsta: You were annoyed that most of us were not on during the evening of tonight, and you placed a vote on Jampi. Was there a reason behind it, ... I want to know where this vote is coming from.


On January 06 2013 18:28 Mocsta wrote:
See you at lynch deadline.


Standing by this Sylencia.

Until zarepath, TeMiL join the conversation. Im not bothering with this game anymore.

It takes a lot of time and energy to play this, and so far, its been a total waste. If 2 out of 7 players are not going to contribute.

That leaves us with 5 players... 2 being scum.. which is almost a MYLO situation. Sorry Sylencia for spitting the dummy, but right now I wish I signed up for TL Mafia LVIII instead, thats at page 150 already...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 06 2013 22:37 GMT
#633
On January 07 2013 04:49 jampidampi wrote:
@Mocsta

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 19:42 Mocsta wrote:
On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote:
@Mocsta
Do you still think Omni is scum?


(1) I honestly don't know. Most of today has been me defending myself (an absolute waste of thread space), so I haven't been able to keep up to date with thread status quo.

I think you have had enough time to think of this. So I ask again, do you still Omni is scum? If not what in his paly changed your opinion?


Go fuck yourself and your tunnel vision.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 06 2013 23:44 GMT
#634
On January 07 2013 07:37 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 04:49 jampidampi wrote:
@Mocsta

On January 05 2013 19:42 Mocsta wrote:
On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote:
@Mocsta
Do you still think Omni is scum?


(1) I honestly don't know. Most of today has been me defending myself (an absolute waste of thread space), so I haven't been able to keep up to date with thread status quo.

I think you have had enough time to think of this. So I ask again, do you still Omni is scum? If not what in his paly changed your opinion?


Go fuck yourself and your tunnel vision.

That's hardly appropriate; you've followed up on a ton of your own questions to various people.

I don't think Mocsta shoud be the prime suspect right now, considering that he is the only townie really participating enough to respond appropriately. I think thread pressure is more deserved elsewhere.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 07 2013 00:20 GMT
#635
The reason I switched to OE! Firstly, my original suspicions/case prior to the switch:
+ Show Spoiler +
OE spent an inordinate amount of time tunneling me for my no-lynch comment, but didn't bother to go through my entire filter and present a full case. He admitted that my own case against Syl was good, but then said he didn't like it without breaking it down point-by-point. He then voted for me without a full analysis, mostly based on a single suspicion.

I found this especially suspicious because when it became clear not many others were biting on the case against me, he pulled his vote back instead of fighting for it.

These were the items that compelled me to come up with a case against OE near the end of D1, in addition to his defensiveness and his emotional response to Spag. I think that mafia are prone to using emotion as part of their argumentation much more readily than townies, as it discourages a clear town atmosphere and doesn't necessitate logic or truth.

The reason I didn't put the case forward were twofold: one, I was worried it was tunnelling on my part, as I was a little unnerved by his persistent attacks on me and the fact that Sylencia and someone else had picked up on it as well. I didn't want to bring nothing but suspicions to light and act as if it were a tight case, and spend the energy persuading everyone else of it when I wasn't fully persuaded myself. Secondly, it was simply a matter of time. I was able to hawk the thread all day because I was at work and things were slow, but on the second half of Day 1 work picked up and when it was finished, I had RL stuff to attend to leading up to the final lynch. I suspected I could make a case with a thorough look through his filter, but didn't have the time.


Secondly, why I switched so readily to vote OE following Mocsta's case:
+ Show Spoiler +
Mocsta, like it or not, was a leader for the town environment Day 1, and his stance on voting out TeMiL was dramatic and seemed quite final. Being unsure of my suspicions on Day 1, I completely bandwagoned him on TeMiL, knowing Spag would also vote him out, and while I wasn't entirely convinced it was the right thing to do, I didn't feel sure enough about StriX or jampi, and not certain enough about OE to go through the energy of fleshing out my case and making it and pushing for a following.

So when the person whose argument already held my vote made a very dramatic stand about OE, I read his case and went, "Yep, that's what I thought, too!" This is my second game and it feels good to realize that others have the same suspicions as me, as honestly I was at a point where I could see almost everyone being mafia after reading everybody's filters multiple times.

Additionally, I knew that a quick bandwagon move like this would provoke some kind of reaction to the other votes, which had been quite settled up to that point. I knew that it would be easy for Mocsta's analysis to go stale and for almost nothing to happen save for his single vote change, and felt that in order to really see hwo people felt about it, it would need a second voice.

My analysis was lacking (ie, nonexistent) because I was literally hopping in and out of the computer room between changing my son's diaper and putting him to bed, spending time with the wife, etc. There was no reason for me to think I'd have enough consecutive free time to devote to a full analysis that illustrated appropriately why I agreed with Mocsta's analysis, let alone with enough time left over to put pressure on the rest of the voters before the deadline.

I think it's totally reasonable to have expected this explanation from me much sooner than now; it was a big switch given with no explanation. RL issues have prevented a quicker response, which does make me a poor town player for the past few days at a time when solid town play has been needed to create a good discussion environment. So I do take credit for some of the state of the current thread.


Why I no longer think that OE is scum:
+ Show Spoiler +

Analyzing discussion is valuable, but I see how the votes fall as the most compelling evidence; your vote is your most valuable asset, and how you use it shows a lot.

The person whose individual case for being a townie suffered the most from the D1 lynch was OE, without question. If he had been mafia, other mafia would have made a more concerted effort on jambi; lynching StriX puts OE in a horrible position.

OE was one of the only people to make an actual concerted case against StriX, and the one to first make real effort on it. A mafia who knows StriX is innocent could easily make that lynch happen and OE have the blood on his hands.

Additionally, OE is known for playing/behaving a certain way in Mafia, according to Spag, who went well out of his way to cast suspicion on OE multiple times while explicitly saying "that doesn't mean I really think you're scum." I looked at OE's filter from the last newbie mafia, and true enough, he's generally played pretty emotionally and defensively, and with a healthy amount of pep. That kind of play was consistent across the last game, and consistent to every post he's made this game.

"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 07 2013 00:32 GMT
#636
EBWOP to "Why I no longer think that OE is scum:"

Because I"m convinced that his defensiveness/emotion is consistent to his play, that removed a chunk of my original suspicion on him for the attention he'd cast upon himself. In combination with the fact that he came out worse from D1 lynch than anyone else, I sincerely doubt his innocence. His case was a perfect bandwagon target for the mafia, and his general tone draws attention to himself in such a way that mafia could easily push for his lynching today.

Therefore, I am convinced that OE is not likely to be scum.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 07 2013 00:45 GMT
#637
Great post zarepath..we need indeed do look at things with the same glasses on.

I concur. In my last post during night1 i hinted towards omni being clear of my vote.

Surprising an self proclaimed anlyst like jampi completely missed this.. hence my.vulgar attitude.


Zareoath. Have u noticed jampi is doing his utmost to derail the thread convo? Even omni called him out on it.
Jampi focus is purely to speculate setups. 1 a complete waste of time. And 2 an easy accomplishment for scum.

Further. All his posts lack the detail he has promised and he only gives out information when asked. Another classic scum trait.
Im sure.he will.counter by saying
i gabe a list of 3 town reads.freely. But once again
how.does summarising what evwryone knew aid the.scum hunt.

he is merely.blending in. Reading the thread . He is also one of the initiators of the.strix vote off.

If u feel the same i do. I suggest renforcing my vote to jampi.

Btw written on phone
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 07 2013 01:56 GMT
#638
On January 07 2013 09:32 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP to "Why I no longer think that OE is scum:"

Because I"m convinced that his defensiveness/emotion is consistent to his play, that removed a chunk of my original suspicion on him for the attention he'd cast upon himself. In combination with the fact that he came out worse from D1 lynch than anyone else, I sincerely doubt his innocence. His case was a perfect bandwagon target for the mafia, and his general tone draws attention to himself in such a way that mafia could easily push for his lynching today.

Therefore, I am convinced that OE is not likely to be scum.


Great points other than the contradiction.

"i sincerely doubt his innocence"

Please if typo. It reads as a typo.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
January 07 2013 01:58 GMT
#639
##Vote Temil

Our discussion has gotten nowhere today, and at this rate, we have potentially 2 kills going down if Temil doesn't come. The worst thing would be if two townies just died at this point because that would actually just end the game right there. (Unless Temil gets replaced assuming he does not vote)

If we are to prevent this, then we can actually cut our losses and vote for Temil, losing only 1 person who was already a detriment to town as it was.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 07 2013 02:06 GMT
#640
Votecount and shizzle:

jampidampi (1): Mocsta
Temil (1): Sylencia

Not voting (5): Spaghetticus, TeMiL, zarepath, jampidampi, OmniEulogy

Jampidampi is set to by lynched! The deadline is in like 22 hours.
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