Well, i like to see a new rework on the warrior for example, but try to tink on things that adds micro, always

The idea of two attacks has no sense, bacause only makes the unit 1A, and the the other habilite like a micro stim its interesting with a small buff on the speed the player can use this habilitie in the right moment, like surrounds, embosh or just running away

@Protector: This is a nice one, the comcept of denied the AoE damage its really really good

boxman22

Canada430 Posts

May 03 2012 23:08 GMT

#42

Also that being said, it's a really cool idea and I hope you figure out a way to balance them. I had fun playing around in the little unit tester. I'd be willing to help you out trying to balance them

boxman.455 on us server

STYDawn

137 Posts

May 03 2012 23:34 GMT

#43

i think you should add a special macro spell to the race(Protoss has chronos, Terran mules/scans, etc.) Pawn.
Make sure the gas collector building is very vulnerable, as if not, the race woukld get gas easily(gas steals would also be scary.

Negtors modesty: ummm... not many people can spend so much times spamming the spell on a million stalkers/roaches. You need to make this more applicable in lategame.

Too many castors. Feedback would be OP against this race.

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

May 04 2012 07:04 GMT

#44

Ok, i added new concepts there. Let me say that the income of the Revel Race is still the same as anyother race, and the autocollect Pawn's ability (Pawn now is the Gatherer) is still.

Please visit http://www.revelrace.com and see it. There is a better explanation there.

NeoGeoOdin

Colombia140 Posts

May 04 2012 22:49 GMT

#45

Better edit OP so ppl wont come here and blame at the warrior lol

@Shrine of the Gathering: Well, the scout its nice, but this buildding needs some habilities to compete againts the CC and Hacht, i mean, 3 habilities like them

The new worker its a nice redesing

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

May 06 2012 03:30 GMT

#46

Thank you. I also like the current concept of the workers and the main building. =)
Much better then before.

I also posted a new unit concept.It's the Suppressor, that creates an protection area below it, that prevent your units within this area to take splash damage. Some expanation about this unit is on the site, so read it before get an opinion about it.

www.revelrace.com

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

July 30 2012 10:47 GMT

#47

Hi everyone again. I'm sorry for these 2.5 months without any news. But I was working hard on the entire concept of the race. I deciced to post to the public only when I was done creating all the things..,. so now you have a Beta Revel Race up and running.

Please, take a look on the site, and also on the on the B.Net.

www.revelrace.com

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

August 14 2012 08:18 GMT

#48

I made a video with the units in action. I know you all are paying attention to the HotS BR PvT, but i'll be thankfull if you see my video and give me some feedback. The video is already on the site. =)

AdrianHealey

Belgium480 Posts

August 14 2012 11:37 GMT

#49

You have some really cool ideas, but it still feels imbalanced overall. But it's really hard to judge, because of the way the summoner works.

The arachnida with range 9 + the the air ships looks insanely strong;

Also: the floodbringer + the disciplines seems a bit imba in mineral lines.

A way to fix this is to change the death mirror that it has a void-ray like 'build up time' for maximum efficiency. (It killed those marines INCREDIBLY fast; imagine that to your worker line...)

The fact that a few floodbringers can save any important unit you ever have also seems a bit tricky to balance.

The 'shared sight' spell from the supressor should only work on, say, light units or something. (Or at least: not on massive units.) So that it is possible to kill of the unit and get rit of the spell: that's a decision the opponent then has to make.)

Planewalker + arachnida combination seems ridiculously strong, especially with some disciplines to add for total damage.

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

August 15 2012 14:30 GMT

#50

Hi, Adrian. First of all, thanks for the feedback.

I'm now preparing the Battle Report, to see what points are really OP. But, the most of these units can be ballanced with some simple adjusts. For example, the Floodbringer may have energy cost to recall a massive unit changed to 200 (full energy), or simple cant target a massive unit.

The Death Mirror didnt killed all those marines with firepower. The Marines toke 15 damage back for each time they attacked the Death Mirror. So, the Death Mirror becomes almostly useless in a mineral line. And to counter ir you need units with high firepower, wich will do less attacks to kill the DM, taking less reflected damage.

I agree your suggestion to the Shared Sight. =)

The Planeswalker + Arachnida combo can be defeated by marines or hydras and archons. The Planeswalker is a biological unit and dont does bonus damage against archons (damage = 12 (24 vs armored) ).

By the way..., i'm studying the possibility to even add units to the other races to ballance everything. No possibility will be discarded if it can lead to a nice way.

AdrianHealey

Belgium480 Posts

August 15 2012 23:11 GMT

#51

I wouldn't touch the other races. The coolest thing about your project (imo) is a whole new race.

What server do you work on?

Sandermatt

Switzerland1365 Posts

August 16 2012 01:02 GMT

#52

I like many of the ideas, they are really unique.

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

August 16 2012 03:30 GMT

#53

The game is posted on the American server. I have no account on the others..., but i'll make an way.

Callynn

Netherlands917 Posts

August 16 2012 08:32 GMT

#54

Putting the balance of the race aside for now, I am acually more concerned for the theme of your race (where do they fit in the starcraft universe?).

They seem to look a lot like the Hybrid, but the gatherer doesn't fit that theme at all, being a Terran model. I think you underestimate the importance of a theme that must follow through all units (the bio units and the protoss units you are using are world apart).

I think theorycrafting about a new race for Starcraft 2 is among the most awesome and challenging ways to spend a week as an amateur game designer (who has done the study, but doesn't use it to earn money: a.k.a me).

I will be writing a blog about the theory behind each race, what is the same about them and what is unique about them and why certain choices make them balanced the way they are. If you use that as a source before building a new race and then later add the theme (which I suggest to be Xel'Naga, not Hybrid) then you will end up with cleaner and more balanced units from the start.

I enjoyed reading through your ideas though and it is obvious you have put a lot of work into that costum race. However, for melee gameplay purposes (and I assume you want it to be used for that) it is simply missing the keen eye of several Grand Master players, Balance Designers and Model Artists.

When it is ready, I will be posting a link to the blog regarding how a new race should be constructed as a reply.

Chronopolis

Canada1484 Posts

August 16 2012 08:37 GMT

#55

Screw balance, have a blast 2v2ing (1 revel, 1 non-revel per team). There's 3 races, plenty of opportunity to see the RvX unit interaction.

Alternatively have 4v4 with the map divided into 3 horizontal map where 3 1v1's happen. Each team has 1 player of each race, and they are matched up (could be mirror, could be not). Revel player has teleporters and can reinforce each player, but 1-way only via teleporters (like once you send units to reinforce, they can't return.

. | X------------------------O |.
X . |X------------------------O |.X
. |X------------------------O |.

| are 10k-50k hp destructable rocks.

X and O's are each teams players.

The Revel player can reinforce units to each of the horizontal 1v1 maps through the teleporters (the "." 's).

Just throwing a random (but not so original, I imagine) idea out there. Point is, it need not be balanced for it to be fun. Just because its balanced doesn't make it fun.

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

August 16 2012 12:55 GMT

#56

@Callyn: I really understand your concern, because it is one of mines. The gatherer wasnot designed to be a robot terran like unit..., but I'm a professional programmer (software developer, not game player) and I'm good to create codes, scripts and units behavior and effects etc. I'm not good at creating 3D models, paiting or things like that...., so I had no choice but use already existing models.

But the race have a background history. I'm creating the cinematics to post the video. The prophecy tells the Xel'Naga will return. The Revels are created by a Xel'Naga like, not the Xel'Nagas themself. I'm about to finish the background history, and publish the cinematics.

But the focus of this race is to have new alternative units working on a new alternative way, and focus the 1x1 fight.

@Chronopolis: There is a long way to ballance things on 1x1, and even more on 2x2, 3x3 and 4x4..., but not even Blizzard could made things right on XxX. But, yes, it need to be fun first. So, after being fun, being ballanced.

Callynn

Netherlands917 Posts

August 16 2012 14:09 GMT

#57

On August 16 2012 17:37 Chronopolis wrote:
Screw balance, have a blast 2v2ing.

As someone who takes 2v2 serious, I am offended by the prospect of balance not mattering in 2v2 xD

In all seriousness, I am aware that 2v2 is harder to balance than 1v1, especially with such diverse races as the ones in SC2. However, this is precisely why 2v2 is even harder to balance than 1v1.

jacksonps

Brazil37 Posts

August 16 2012 14:42 GMT

#58

Imagine that with 4 races... OMG, the chaos! XD
It's much easier make it fun than make it ballanced.

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

August 18 2012 01:34 GMT

#59

On August 16 2012 23:09 Callynn wrote:

Show nested quote +

lol. 2v2 is hard to balance however 2v2 is hard to balance ^^

Is it possible to release this as a custom user map? I tried searching for it in arcade but didn't fnd anything.