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NeoGeoOdin
Colombia140 Posts
The idea of two attacks has no sense, bacause only makes the unit 1A, and the the other habilite like a micro stim its interesting with a small buff on the speed the player can use this habilitie in the right moment, like surrounds, embosh or just running away @Protector: This is a nice one, the comcept of denied the AoE damage its really really good | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
 boxman.455 on us server | ||
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STYDawn
137 Posts
Make sure the gas collector building is very vulnerable, as if not, the race woukld get gas easily(gas steals would also be scary. Negtors modesty: ummm... not many people can spend so much times spamming the spell on a million stalkers/roaches. You need to make this more applicable in lategame. Too many castors. Feedback would be OP against this race. | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
Please visit http://www.revelrace.com and see it. There is a better explanation there. | ||
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NeoGeoOdin
Colombia140 Posts
@Shrine of the Gathering: Well, the scout its nice, but this buildding needs some habilities to compete againts the CC and Hacht, i mean, 3 habilities like them The new worker its a nice redesing | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
Much better then before. I also posted a new unit concept.It's the Suppressor, that creates an protection area below it, that prevent your units within this area to take splash damage. Some expanation about this unit is on the site, so read it before get an opinion about it. www.revelrace.com | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
Please, take a look on the site, and also on the on the B.Net. www.revelrace.com | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
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AdrianHealey
Belgium480 Posts
The arachnida with range 9 + the the air ships looks insanely strong; Also: the floodbringer + the disciplines seems a bit imba in mineral lines. A way to fix this is to change the death mirror that it has a void-ray like 'build up time' for maximum efficiency. (It killed those marines INCREDIBLY fast; imagine that to your worker line...) The fact that a few floodbringers can save any important unit you ever have also seems a bit tricky to balance. The 'shared sight' spell from the supressor should only work on, say, light units or something. (Or at least: not on massive units.) So that it is possible to kill of the unit and get rit of the spell: that's a decision the opponent then has to make.) Planewalker + arachnida combination seems ridiculously strong, especially with some disciplines to add for total damage. | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
I'm now preparing the Battle Report, to see what points are really OP. But, the most of these units can be ballanced with some simple adjusts. For example, the Floodbringer may have energy cost to recall a massive unit changed to 200 (full energy), or simple cant target a massive unit. The Death Mirror didnt killed all those marines with firepower. The Marines toke 15 damage back for each time they attacked the Death Mirror. So, the Death Mirror becomes almostly useless in a mineral line. And to counter ir you need units with high firepower, wich will do less attacks to kill the DM, taking less reflected damage. I agree your suggestion to the Shared Sight. =) The Planeswalker + Arachnida combo can be defeated by marines or hydras and archons. The Planeswalker is a biological unit and dont does bonus damage against archons (damage = 12 (24 vs armored) ). By the way..., i'm studying the possibility to even add units to the other races to ballance everything. No possibility will be discarded if it can lead to a nice way. | ||
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AdrianHealey
Belgium480 Posts
What server do you work on? | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
They seem to look a lot like the Hybrid, but the gatherer doesn't fit that theme at all, being a Terran model. I think you underestimate the importance of a theme that must follow through all units (the bio units and the protoss units you are using are world apart). I think theorycrafting about a new race for Starcraft 2 is among the most awesome and challenging ways to spend a week as an amateur game designer (who has done the study, but doesn't use it to earn money: a.k.a me). I will be writing a blog about the theory behind each race, what is the same about them and what is unique about them and why certain choices make them balanced the way they are. If you use that as a source before building a new race and then later add the theme (which I suggest to be Xel'Naga, not Hybrid) then you will end up with cleaner and more balanced units from the start. I enjoyed reading through your ideas though and it is obvious you have put a lot of work into that costum race. However, for melee gameplay purposes (and I assume you want it to be used for that) it is simply missing the keen eye of several Grand Master players, Balance Designers and Model Artists. When it is ready, I will be posting a link to the blog regarding how a new race should be constructed as a reply. | ||
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
Alternatively have 4v4 with the map divided into 3 horizontal map where 3 1v1's happen. Each team has 1 player of each race, and they are matched up (could be mirror, could be not). Revel player has teleporters and can reinforce each player, but 1-way only via teleporters (like once you send units to reinforce, they can't return. . | X------------------------O |. X . |X------------------------O |.X . |X------------------------O |. | are 10k-50k hp destructable rocks. X and O's are each teams players. The Revel player can reinforce units to each of the horizontal 1v1 maps through the teleporters (the "." 's). Just throwing a random (but not so original, I imagine) idea out there. Point is, it need not be balanced for it to be fun. Just because its balanced doesn't make it fun. | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
But the race have a background history. I'm creating the cinematics to post the video. The prophecy tells the Xel'Naga will return. The Revels are created by a Xel'Naga like, not the Xel'Nagas themself. I'm about to finish the background history, and publish the cinematics. But the focus of this race is to have new alternative units working on a new alternative way, and focus the 1x1 fight. @Chronopolis: There is a long way to ballance things on 1x1, and even more on 2x2, 3x3 and 4x4..., but not even Blizzard could made things right on XxX. But, yes, it need to be fun first. So, after being fun, being ballanced. | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On August 16 2012 17:37 Chronopolis wrote: Screw balance, have a blast 2v2ing. As someone who takes 2v2 serious, I am offended by the prospect of balance not mattering in 2v2 xD In all seriousness, I am aware that 2v2 is harder to balance than 1v1, especially with such diverse races as the ones in SC2. However, this is precisely why 2v2 is even harder to balance than 1v1. | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
It's much easier make it fun than make it ballanced. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 16 2012 23:09 Callynn wrote: As someone who takes 2v2 serious, I am offended by the prospect of balance not mattering in 2v2 xD In all seriousness, I am aware that 2v2 is harder to balance than 1v1, especially with such diverse races as the ones in SC2. However, this is precisely why 2v2 is even harder to balance than 1v1. lol. 2v2 is hard to balance however 2v2 is hard to balance ^^ Is it possible to release this as a custom user map? I tried searching for it in arcade but didn't fnd anything. | ||
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jacksonps
Brazil37 Posts
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