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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Day 2 Current Vote Count
Solohan50 (3): KharadBanar, Kohbee, HiroPro Everyone is currently voting. Day 2 Voting ends at Thursday, Apr 05 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in slightly less than 5 hours. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
I am sad because town will soon be in LYLO. I am sad because there are townies that honestly believe that scum team member would take a 50/50 shot on blue claiming day 1. I am sad because this will be a learning experience for the 2 (maybe 3) of you voting me instead of Solohan. I am sad because discussion has completely died, which is also an incredibly bad sign of things to come. I am sad that I can only leave you guys with 1 sure fire scum and that I (and the rest of town) will no longer have a mislynch because of lynching a townie currently. I am mostly sad because town is lynching its most active member, who was more than willing to promote discussion and be completely transparent with all of his reads and actions. When I flip blue. Solohan is scum. I am sure of this. You need to lynch him first. After this my strongest guess is Marvel, but in all honesty it could be strong and it could even be hiropro (although if its him you might as well all quit now, he's played some fantastic scum). I wish I could be more conclusive and leave you with a more clear map. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Day 2 Final Vote Count
Solohan50 (3): KharadBanar, Kohbee, HiroPro Night 2 Kohbee, the Town Sane Cop has been lynched! Night 2 has begun! Please send in your actions to both Radfield and Cephiro. Night ends in 24 hours, on Friday, Apr 06 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) + Show Spoiler + Sorry for the lack of pictures and story today, I'll add them in later and make sure I have one tomorrow.  | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Is the case on Solohan so strong that all you guys voted for him and Kohbee is totally convinced he's scum? What am I missing? Why is it him? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
However, it obviously made sense to other people, so maybe I'm wrong. Could be either way, and since he's not here to defend himself I'm gonna stop dissing on him. | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
If you read his filter, you'll see:
strongandbig, I'll answer your question in due time (You'll see why, bear with me). Solohan50, I think you had enough chances to explain yourself and I'm now pretty set in my opinion. I am however listening to everything you say, if only to get more scum tells. But if you manage to get REALLY convincing (i.e. it's nigh on impossible) perhaps you can sway my vote tomorrow. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:07 marvellosity wrote: Well shit. I don't like being wrong Is the case on Solohan so strong that all you guys voted for him and Kohbee is totally convinced he's scum? What am I missing? Why is it him? Look at solohan's filter. There is almost nothing of value in there except one incredibly illogical case against Kohbee (based almost entirely upon Kohbee "arguing" with Therapist and FourFace). On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. When that failed, he roleclaimed and bandwagoned a townie right at the end of the day. On top of that, the townie he lynched was one of the most vocal anti-Kohbee players in the thread short of FourFace. This seems like too big of a string of coincidences for me, which is why my vote stayed where it was, and which is why we ended up lynching a fellow townie instead of the real scum. This post is a complete misrepresentation of the first day and it makes no sense who solohan is refering to as "a townie", because it's defininitely not the same person throughout. His other "reads" have all been blindingly obvious or wishy-washy. And now that we know that Kohbee is cop, solohan is pretty much confirmed scum. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:50 KharadBanar wrote: Which means I'm going to explain my town read on him later on (there's a reason for this, trust me guys :O) If it has to do with your reads on other players who are still alive, then I may share the same interpretation, but be relating it to Kohbee's situation in a different way from you. I think I may know what you're referring to, though. Anyway, what I'd like to bring people's attention to are the following posts: From Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 11:45 marvellosity wrote: Sigh. You're so aggressive. You mentioned him in a couple of other posts too, looking at your filter. You've pointed fingers at almost everybody in the game. Almost your whole filter reads to me as creating a bad town atmosphere (various OMGUS, attacks, etc). You've sown confusion where there didn't have to be any, pointed fingers, and with your arguments with Fourface and omnom totally derailed town discussion. You roleclaimed blue in a terrible fashion for town; this could be scummy play or bad townie play, but together with the rest of your posts clearly leans towards a desperate scum move. The first guy to consistently attack you in the thread, therapist, wound up a dead townie. The 2nd guy, Fourface, who attacked you, wounded up killed. Now Solohan, the next guy who's consistently on your back, is who you're trying to make the 3rd dead guy based on a silly case with his wording of his posts (which came across clearly enough to me). Of secondary consideration here is the large amount of information we get from a Kohbee lynch. As Fourface handily pointed out earlier, we can already eliminate several Kohbee + someone else combinations. If/when Kohbee flips scum, we already have a big head start on scum #2. If Kohbee miraculously flips as blue cop, again the information is vast. Kohbee is scum and people should vote for him. ##Vote: Kohbee From solohan50: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 10:47 Solohan50 wrote: KB, since you're the second person to say that my case against Kohbee doesn't make sense, I'll try rephrasing it to see if it helps get my point across. If not, then perhaps I'm incorrect and need to rethink my position. The reasons I think that Kohbee is the most logical Mafia pick are the following: - He was the #1 suspect on Day 1 (he was up two votes, 4-2, until the roleclaim). - One of his loud critics, Therapist, was mis-lynched because of the last minute roleclaim. Since Therapist was the second choice for the Day 1 lynch (behind Kohbee), the roleclaim was a good way to spread confusion and get the second choice lynched. - Kohbee's loudest critic, FourFace, was killed immediately after Therapist. While FourFace's lack of spam may help Town a bit, FourFace was also Kohbee's most outspoken enemy and it would be in Kohbee's interest to have him taken out. Having your most vocal opponent taken out would certainly be useful, especially when other people disliked FourFace as well and probably wouldn't mourn his loss (at least one person voted for FourFace just out of spite because of his spam). On top of that, "Kohbee vs Fourface v2" (as KB so eloquently put it) started immediately after, clogging up the thread even more. The reason I seem to focus on Kohbee so much is that he's the only read that I really have right now. I've posted what I've gleaned from other players, but mostly I've just been able to find people that I'm relatively certain are town (like KB). I'm also well aware that my single-mindedness may come around and bite me. If I was worried about that, I would've jumped on the Therapist bandwagon like everyone else, especially when it was clear that Kohbee was going to live. I even reaffirmed my choice despite the risk near the end of the vote, because I believe that Kohbee has the strongest chance of being Mafia. Obviously my reads have been a bit screwy this game. I think that I was expecting other players to play in a certain style, and clearly they weren't. However, my strongest remaining read comes from my gut: it's no coincidence that these two posts both make the argument that fourface's death was because he was in a fight with Kohbee. (They're also pretty long posts by people who don't make very long posts very often). I know we can't vote at night, but if we could, I would be voting for solohan50. Maybe I'm posting this now in case I get killed; or maybe I don't believe what I'm saying at all, and I'm posting something I think is wrong to trick mafia into not killing me. You decide. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:25 strongandbig wrote: If it has to do with your reads on other players who are still alive, then I may share the same interpretation, but be relating it to Kohbee's situation in a different way from you. I think I may know what you're referring to, though. Anyway, what I'd like to bring people's attention to are the following posts: From Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 11:45 marvellosity wrote: Sigh. You're so aggressive. You mentioned him in a couple of other posts too, looking at your filter. You've pointed fingers at almost everybody in the game. Almost your whole filter reads to me as creating a bad town atmosphere (various OMGUS, attacks, etc). You've sown confusion where there didn't have to be any, pointed fingers, and with your arguments with Fourface and omnom totally derailed town discussion. You roleclaimed blue in a terrible fashion for town; this could be scummy play or bad townie play, but together with the rest of your posts clearly leans towards a desperate scum move. The first guy to consistently attack you in the thread, therapist, wound up a dead townie. The 2nd guy, Fourface, who attacked you, wounded up killed. Now Solohan, the next guy who's consistently on your back, is who you're trying to make the 3rd dead guy based on a silly case with his wording of his posts (which came across clearly enough to me). Of secondary consideration here is the large amount of information we get from a Kohbee lynch. As Fourface handily pointed out earlier, we can already eliminate several Kohbee + someone else combinations. If/when Kohbee flips scum, we already have a big head start on scum #2. If Kohbee miraculously flips as blue cop, again the information is vast. Kohbee is scum and people should vote for him. ##Vote: Kohbee From solohan50: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 10:47 Solohan50 wrote: KB, since you're the second person to say that my case against Kohbee doesn't make sense, I'll try rephrasing it to see if it helps get my point across. If not, then perhaps I'm incorrect and need to rethink my position. The reasons I think that Kohbee is the most logical Mafia pick are the following: - He was the #1 suspect on Day 1 (he was up two votes, 4-2, until the roleclaim). - One of his loud critics, Therapist, was mis-lynched because of the last minute roleclaim. Since Therapist was the second choice for the Day 1 lynch (behind Kohbee), the roleclaim was a good way to spread confusion and get the second choice lynched. - Kohbee's loudest critic, FourFace, was killed immediately after Therapist. While FourFace's lack of spam may help Town a bit, FourFace was also Kohbee's most outspoken enemy and it would be in Kohbee's interest to have him taken out. Having your most vocal opponent taken out would certainly be useful, especially when other people disliked FourFace as well and probably wouldn't mourn his loss (at least one person voted for FourFace just out of spite because of his spam). On top of that, "Kohbee vs Fourface v2" (as KB so eloquently put it) started immediately after, clogging up the thread even more. The reason I seem to focus on Kohbee so much is that he's the only read that I really have right now. I've posted what I've gleaned from other players, but mostly I've just been able to find people that I'm relatively certain are town (like KB). I'm also well aware that my single-mindedness may come around and bite me. If I was worried about that, I would've jumped on the Therapist bandwagon like everyone else, especially when it was clear that Kohbee was going to live. I even reaffirmed my choice despite the risk near the end of the vote, because I believe that Kohbee has the strongest chance of being Mafia. Obviously my reads have been a bit screwy this game. I think that I was expecting other players to play in a certain style, and clearly they weren't. However, my strongest remaining read comes from my gut: it's no coincidence that these two posts both make the argument that fourface's death was because he was in a fight with Kohbee. (They're also pretty long posts by people who don't make very long posts very often). I know we can't vote at night, but if we could, I would be voting for solohan50. Maybe I'm posting this now in case I get killed; or maybe I don't believe what I'm saying at all, and I'm posting something I think is wrong to trick mafia into not killing me. You decide. Also, the two persons you mentioned were the people Kohbee kept on his personal scum list, if you remember that. Your gut feeling works quite like that of our detective, which I like. I definitely second your thoughts on who's mafia at this point. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:45 KharadBanar wrote: marvellosity, since you asked I'll elaborate a bit on why Kohbee and I had such a strong suspicion of Solohan50 (should have posted this before lynch but oh well): If you read his filter, you'll see:
Solohan50, I think you had enough chances to explain yourself and I'm now pretty set in my opinion. I am however listening to everything you say, if only to get more scum tells. But if you manage to get REALLY convincing (i.e. it's nigh on impossible) perhaps you can sway my vote tomorrow. You see, this is why I'm both upset and angry about how this lynch went down. Why couldn't you have presented a case like this before? A good list of points followed by reasoning. All I had from you or Hiro was (paraphrasing) "I think Kohbee's got better", "I'm not convinced Kohbee is scum", "Solohan is lurky and has tunneled on Kohbee". How is that meant to convince anyone? And then Kohbee's post before he died was the most townie thing I saw from him all game, but of course it was too late, so I wish he'd just defended himself differently/better. ANYWAY, now that I've vented a little bit, town has its solution. Everyone in town needs to make sure they're talking, and they're making their points clearly. Town can still win this, but only if every townie member is active, makes reads, and tries to flush out scum. I'm gonna have to rehash and reread everything in this thread, because I think I was viewing everything and everyone with the conviction that Kohbee was scum. So, expect some reads and conversation from me a bit later. | ||
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