EPTWhile I'm not fully sure about Kohbee, he has pushed for reads and focus on finding mafia both day 1 and today, which are townie qualities.
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
While I'm not fully sure about Kohbee, he has pushed for reads and focus on finding mafia both day 1 and today, which are townie qualities. ##Unvote ##Vote: Solohan50 | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
Strong and Omnom I would like for both of you to reconsider your vote on me instead of Solohan50. Strong, I read your case on me and responded to it. I will reiterate some key points that I believe refute what you think are scum tells. Me telling therapist that I wouldn't talk to him was not me stifling discussion, I simply wanted Hiropro to answer for himself. Also, you act like I wanted a bandwagon on Hiropro but I never told anyone to vote for him or even asked others opinions on him. I presented a 1 sentence case based on his 2 sentences in the thread and waited for a response. Your second point basically boils down to you believing that a cop would not play the way I have. I don't know how many games of forum mafia you have played, but you will quickly find out that you can never depend on people to play as you would (in any role) and you can almost never depend on them to play "right". Omnom, your vote on me is (imo) mostly based off the "fight" we had in the thread for a few hours/days. I think we both got emotionally heated and ended up voting for one another based off this. I ask you to not make the same mistake twice (I call it a mistake because I know I am town) by voting for 2 townies based off you being mad at them for being assholes. I know that you think I am annoying and abrasive, tbh I don't care that you think that. I will answer any direct questions from now on but I will no longer post as I have previously as I don't need reactions anymore, I have found the scum team. However, if you vote for solohan, regardless of outcome it will completely shut me up. If he flips town, I will take responsibility, post my apologies, and take my impending lynch. When he flips scum, I will high five myself, then vote marvel tomorrow without any argumentation. I believe that you two and Hiropro and KB are our remaining town. If you do not see the logic in KB's and my own case against Solohan today I ask that you please believe me and him upon my flip. Solohan is scum. Marvel is scum. Omnom, I wanted to lynch you and I saw you townslip hard. This post+ Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 09:47 omnomMuffins wrote: EBWOP: Wait, we don't have the confirmed set? I thought it was 2 mafia, one godfather, the other role blocker, and a cop and a medic? Time to read the OP more closely. Strong has been open with everything he has done. He doesn't seem to have any hidden motive and is more than willing to share his opinions. He does this is a genuine manner and there doesn't seem to be any hesitation or contradiction in his play. If I do get lynched and when I flip Sane Cop, this should immediately confirm Hiropro and KB as town. To argue otherwise is stupid and illogical. Hey Kohbee, why is Marvel also scum? Well thats pretty simple. Marvel's day 1 was bad (as he admitted) but he covered it by saving a blue to lynch a townie. The funny thing about Marvel's play is that he is literally never willing to accept responsibility for anything he does. Every decision he makes is laced with an out for him + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 08:54 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: I still think Therapist. is townie, but I think the chance he's mafia is a bit higher right now than Kohbee. On April 04 2012 11:45 marvellosity wrote: If/when Kohbee flips scum, we already have a big head start on scum #2. If Kohbee miraculously flips as blue cop, again the information is vast. ##Vote: Kohbee In this post he literally sets up the scum's night actions + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Bah. Ok let's think. Therapist is townie, and if Kohbee is telling the truth, he is blue cop. If that is the case, the clear play for mafia is to hit Kohbee. Mafia could go for the double bluff and not hit Kohbee, but if he's the cop it's way too risky because he could find out their alignment. If Kohbee is lying, then he's mafia. And if Kohbee is mafia, then I think we can say without doubt he won't be killing himself. So we should know at the end of the night what is what. He also says that he has 2 scum reads, but only posts reads on me. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote: At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. He is also chainsaw defending Solohan50 like the life of his game was on the line. He just softly OMGUS'd Hiropro with a completely vague argument for why he is voting the way he is. + Show Spoiler + If I don't see either Strong or Omnom respond to this I will repost on the next page and so on until they do | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Responsibility for my actions? You are the first person I'm pushing hard for a lynch, Kohbee. I am well aware that if you get lynched and you flip blue, I will be #1 target. I think your case against me is weak. I have no idea why I would speculate about mafia actions if I were mafia. At the end of Day 1, therapist was not posing a particular threat to mafia (unless it's you!), where as you definitely had the potential to do so (much more active posting). Yet it was my vote that condemned therapist and saved you. I just don't see how you can reconcile yourself to the fact that if I were mafia I wouldn't take the FREE BLUE LYNCH on day 1. I agree with you that Solohan a) hasn't posted enough, b) has tunneled on you (I find one post only where he makes 2 reads on other people). But for me, this doesn't come close to comparing to On April 04 2012 11:45 marvellosity wrote: You've pointed fingers at almost everybody in the game. Almost your whole filter reads to me as creating a bad town atmosphere (various OMGUS, attacks, etc). You've sown confusion where there didn't have to be any, pointed fingers, and with your arguments with Fourface and omnom totally derailed town discussion. You roleclaimed blue in a terrible fashion for town; this could be scummy play or bad townie play, but together with the rest of your posts clearly leans towards a desperate scum move. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Everyone will have to make up their own mind, but I am not persuaded by your explanation of your actions towards hiropro. In large part that's due to a gut feeling that there was nothing specific about hiropro that would lead you to focus so intently on him early, as well as the other things I said earlier. Additionally, there's another possibility which I hadn't considered earlier - that you and hiro could both be scum, and the random vote was an early distance attempt. This is added to by the fact that I don't see why "not caring that someone is voting for you" is a town reaction, especially in a newbie game. I guess that could be a matter of style, so it could be town, but I'm not sure why such a meek reaction would have placated you when you were drilling so hard at hiro. That said - I agree that if you do turn out to be blue, then marvellosity looks very suspicious. I tend to prefer analyzing actions to words (this is the first forum mafia game I've played, so I wouldn't know what to do with meta even if we had some), so obviously his questionable day 1 puts him on my radar. There are other things about his actions that would smell bad if you do flip blue, as well - his analysis of how people opposed to you "wound up dead" would then smell like a relatively heavy-handed mafia frame-up. At this moment we have five town and two mafia left alive. If today does turn out to be a mislynch, assuming a successful hit then tomorrow will be three town and two mafia, aka LYLO. However, I think we will be able to find at least one mafia at that time. I also don't think we will have a mislynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 04 2012 23:54 strongandbig wrote: That said - I agree that if you do turn out to be blue, then marvellosity looks very suspicious. Additionally, there's another possibility which I hadn't considered earlier - that you and hiro could both be scum, and the random vote was an early distance attempt. This is added to by the fact that I don't see why "not caring that someone is voting for you" is a town reaction, especially in a newbie game. 1) Agreed 2) had crossed my mind before. But in my mind I didn't make it stick because of Hiro's posting pattern. Firstly Hiro totally ignores Kohbee's vote at him. Then On April 02 2012 08:49 HiroPro wrote: What on earth is going on? Why on earth are we lynching one of the most pro-town people. Therapist's main contribution has been imagining a ridiculous WIFOM scenario and people are voting for Kohbee!!! Unvote: Solohan50 ##Vote: Therapist. This seemed rather an impassioned defence of Kohbee, someone who had accused him earlier. I don't know what his justification for calling Kohbee one of the most pro-town people was either. BUT, subsequently, Hiro cast doubt on Kohbee's posting: On April 03 2012 06:04 HiroPro wrote: FourFace made a post saying that you should stop making arguments based on the hypothetical that you are not mafia. And what did you do..... Your very next post was about how when you get lynched and flip blue, solohan and strong should be lynched. That kind of post isn't productive. It doesn't get us any closer to figuring out whether or not you are scum. On April 03 2012 06:10 HiroPro wrote: Before you claimed cop, you posted reads based on what people posted and acted like. Now? Everything's "Hey guys, I'm cop, therefore these individuals are suspicious." Which of these behaviors do you think helps town more? On April 03 2012 06:17 HiroPro wrote: The only people who know whether or not this is true are yourself and mafia. On April 04 2012 07:58 HiroPro wrote: Kohbee - On the first day of posting Marvel pressed you for your reads on town and you replied Is there a reason that you never posted anything like this at the end of first night? Because of this, I don't see Hiro as Kohbee's scumbuddy. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
And Kohbee, I got my opinion on you in the thread long before you started smashing on me, just because someone is a jerk doesn't make them mafia. But being a giant distraction helps mafia. You have essentially been a giant distration for the majority of the game, making it impossible to get true reads on anyone. I know. I am reiterating this, and you have tampered down some since you were asked, but please remember that when you go after someone in a rude way they will have a visceral reaction that makes it hard for people to read properly. If you need to go after people, please just use me as a punching bag. Treat the others civilly and respect as you have been doing since I called you out for it and it will be much easier to get true reads on people. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
I am keeping my vote as it stands. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
I will check in when I land both times and will try to be active during the layover and before the first take off. I only post this because I have been accused of dodging questions while working. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
A final note to omnom, the distraction is the people talking about me and making (insert aggressive phrasing for bad) cases against me. If I was really disrespecting people I would have been warned by the mods like fourface was. You all have created the distraction under my name. This is forum mafia, and if you expect everyone to be all civil with one another you are in for a rude awakening. If you think this thread was madness I advise you to read literally any other game, this game looks like a sun shower compared to everything else. The other thing about me being "distracting" that I find hysterical, is that I am distracting for posting my scum reads and pushing them. Sorry for playing mafia and distracting you all from your talks of mods scum slipping and alligators killing people. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
Also, since when is attacking your scum reads a scum thing to do? oh right... it isn't. (this isn't OMGUS, this OMGyourcaseandreasoningsucks) | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:43 KharadBanar wrote: After reading everyone's thoughts about Kohbee, I have to say he still doesn't look that scummy to me. I am still in favor of a lynch against Solohan50, especially since Kohbee really took our advice to heart and is now posting regularly and with some thought behind his statements. He still hasn't confirmed himself town through his actions, but I have the feeling he's getting there. Solohan50 on the other hand has again posted once solely to defend against Kohbee's and my accusation and has been missing since. I'll say it again: If he's not scum, him getting lynched is absolutely no loss to town with his behaviour. With only one mislynch left until LYLO, we can't afford to think like that. Solohan's posting style rings true for me with his claim about his motivations. When you look at his account, he only has 11 posts and they're all on this thread. It seems likely that he's someone who got brought in to TL by a friend to play a mafia game, so it also makes sense that he would get kind of jaded when that friend gets lynched as collateral damage day 1 to a fight between the two most prolific posters. That said - I just reread his brief filter again, and something seemed kind of off to me. Specifically, his use of "kohbee and fourface fought and now fourface is dead" as evidence against kohbee. This could be true, but if kohbee is not mafia then the mafia could have chosen to kill kohbee as part of a frameup. I still think kohbee is mafia, but I'm starting to see the logic behind saying "if kohbee flips blue then solohon is a suspect." However, I continue to see many other people as also suspicious. | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
With that said, carry on gentlemen. The next few hours should be interesting. If you do decide to lynch me, make sure the noose is an extra large one; my head is fairly large. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:56 strongandbig wrote: With only one mislynch left until LYLO, we can't afford to think like that. This... I was reading the Sum of all Fears thread (or maybe one of its QTs) and wiser players than me basically said that a bad townie is still a townie. It was pointed out that ultimately Mafia is a numbers game, and what is needed for victory is kill mafia and keep townies. If Solohan is not town it IS a loss, we are down one more team-member, plus we'd get much less info from his death than Kohbee's death. Kohbee is still scum. If town wants to win this game, they need to be voting with me. | ||
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Kazahk
United States385 Posts
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:27 Kazahk wrote: /in and this is my first time playing mafia on a thread xD best. post. ever. (ok back to silence) | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:27 Kazahk wrote: /in and this is my first time playing mafia on a thread xD Hey bud, this is a game in progress. You'll want to check another game that hasn't started yet. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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