EPT[Code A] Group A Season 1 2014 - Page 28
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Heartland
Sweden24603 Posts
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Swiipii
2195 Posts
Nope Shine isn't even trying. :x | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:32 Heartland wrote: Marauder/Hellion with 3rd base and double ebays? what's funny is that it ended up working because Shine scouted his 3rd. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:30 Shellshock wrote: 1:40 rax first for GuMiho gas for GuMiho 2:00 hatch first for Shine reaper for GuMiho pool for Shine 3:00 gas for Shine gas steal by Shine CC for GuMiho on the low ground factory for GuMiho reactor for GuMiho 4:00 ling speed for Shine reaper harassing the main of Shine 5:00 marauder for GuMiho hellions for GuMiho stim research for GuMiho 6:00 3rd base for Shine another gas for Shine hellions and reaper force a cancel on Shine's 3rd 3rd CC for GuMiho Roach warren for Shine 7:00  55 vs  513rd base restarted for Shine double ebay for GuMiho baneling nest for Shine double evo for Shine roaches for Shine 8:00 69 vs 72hellion marauder push at the 3rd of Shine 3rd of Shine is killed 9:00 83 vs 76hellions and marauders are cornered and GuMiho trades away his army 2 hellions actually escape widow mines for GuMiho 1-1 started for Gumiho's bio Lair for Shine 3rd base restarted for Shine 10:00 84 vs 661-1 ling upgrades started for Shine armory for GuMiho 3 more rax for GuMiho baneling speed for Shine macro hatch for Shine | ||
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ETisME
12715 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:28 Vindicare605 wrote: Like I said, it's not viable at the pro-level. Nearly all of the best Protoss professionals are ex-BW players who don't panic when they see Mech being used, from what I've experienced most of Mech's viability at the levels below that vs Protoss comes from just a lack of experience Protoss players have against it. It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz. Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote: 6:00 3rd base for Shine another gas for Shine hellions and reaper force a cancel on Shine's 3rd 3rd CC for GuMiho Roach warren for Shine 7:00 55 vs 513rd base restarted for Shine double ebay for GuMiho baneling nest for Shine double evo for Shine roaches for Shine 8:00 69 vs 72hellion marauder push at the 3rd of Shine 3rd of Shine is killed 9:00 83 vs 76hellions and marauders are cornered and GuMiho trades away his army 2 hellions actually escape widow mines for GuMiho 1-1 started for Gumiho's bio Lair for Shine 3rd base restarted for Shine 10:00 84 vs 661-1 ling upgrades started for Shine armory for GuMiho 3 more rax for GuMiho baneling speed for Shine macro hatch for Shine 11:00 94 vs 86GuMiho takes his 3rd 2-2 started for GuMiho combat shields for GuMiho spore for Shine spire for Shine medivacs for GuMiho ling roach pressure at the 3rd of GuMiho GuMiho is able to push the attack back 12:00 109 vs 11317 more banes for Shine even more banelings for Shine 13:00 113 vs 120baneling speed is finished +1 vehicle armor for GuMiho drop forces a cancel on shine's 4th right after it starts GuMiho cleaning up creep with his drop mutas for Shine 14:00 136 vs 158burrow research started for Shine 4th base restarted for Shine +2 melee for Shine drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up +2 carapace for Shine more creep is being cleaned up by GuMiho 4th CC for GuMiho 15:00 140 vs 171overlord speed for Shine 3-3 started for GuMiho bio push forces a cancel on Shine's 4th | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:35 ETisME wrote: It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz. Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally If I told you a strategy was successful let's say.... 3 out of 25 times (and that's being generous) would you consider it viable? It's not viable. It's not that Bio is better (which it is) Mech just has way too many weaknesses a good Protoss can exploit while having so few strengths to make it worth using. The few times we've seen it employed successfully at the pro-Level it has been in timing attack all ins, most of which are only successful due to significant Hellion or Widow Mine damage done due to poor preparation or scouting from the Protoss. That's not viability, that's fluke wins. | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:35 ETisME wrote: It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz. Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally it's viable if you accept to die to any all in pre 10min to get a composition that's actually worse than bio. Which is just bad. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:37 Shellshock wrote: 11:00 94 vs 86GuMiho takes his 3rd 2-2 started for GuMiho combat shields for GuMiho spore for Shine spire for Shine medivacs for GuMiho ling roach pressure at the 3rd of GuMiho GuMiho is able to push the attack back 12:00 109 vs 11317 more banes for Shine even more banelings for Shine 13:00 113 vs 120baneling speed is finished +1 vehicle armor for GuMiho drop forces a cancel on shine's 4th right after it starts GuMiho cleaning up creep with his drop mutas for Shine 14:00 136 vs 158burrow research started for Shine 4th base restarted for Shine +2 melee for Shine drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up +2 carapace for Shine more creep is being cleaned up by GuMiho 4th CC for GuMiho 15:00 140 vs 171overlord speed for Shine 3-3 started for GuMiho bio push forces a cancel on Shine's 4th 16:00 155 vs 181GuMiho pushing into the 3rd of Shine concussive shells for GuMiho +2 vehicle armor for GuMiho GuMiho doesnt split very well against the banes but he has too much for it to matter 17:00 105 vs 149Shine ggs! GuMiho wins 2-1! Shine falls to Code B | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
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Swiipii
2195 Posts
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
Now cruuusshh the Chintoss! | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:37 Zheryn wrote: Well this game was kind of over after the kill on the third. Not really sure how to know that push is coming when terran has map control with hellions. Shine saw Gumiho save up marauders and hellions in his natural, should've been able to prepare imo. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
I don't think he'll win vs Classic simply because his creativity just isn't anywhere near as valuable in TvP as it is in TvZ but it's good to see him not go last in this group. | ||
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