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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 15 2014 11:32 GMT
#541
Marauder/Hellion with 3rd base and double ebays?
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 11:34:05
January 15 2014 11:33 GMT
#542
Now Gumiho has to defend the roach bane bust.
Nope Shine isn't even trying. :x
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 15 2014 11:33 GMT
#543
On January 15 2014 20:32 Heartland wrote:
Marauder/Hellion with 3rd base and double ebays?


what's funny is that it ended up working because Shine scouted his 3rd.
Zest fanboy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 15 2014 11:34 GMT
#544
On January 15 2014 20:30 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 20:26 Shellshock wrote:
[Code A] Group A GSL S1 2014
[image loading] (Z)Shine vs. (T)GuMiho
Game 3
Map: Yeonsu

0:00
Shine spawns in the bottom left
GuMiho spawns in the top right

1:40
rax first for GuMiho
gas for GuMiho

2:00
hatch first for Shine
reaper for GuMiho
pool for Shine

3:00
gas for Shine
gas steal by Shine
CC for GuMiho on the low ground
factory for GuMiho
reactor for GuMiho

4:00
ling speed for Shine
reaper harassing the main of Shine

5:00
marauder for GuMiho
hellions for GuMiho
stim research for GuMiho

6:00
3rd base for Shine
another gas for Shine
hellions and reaper force a cancel on Shine's 3rd
3rd CC for GuMiho
Roach warren for Shine

7:00 55 vs 51
3rd base restarted for Shine
double ebay for GuMiho
baneling nest for Shine
double evo for Shine
roaches for Shine

8:00 69 vs 72
hellion marauder push at the 3rd of Shine
3rd of Shine is killed

9:00 83 vs 76
hellions and marauders are cornered and GuMiho trades away his army
2 hellions actually escape
widow mines for GuMiho
1-1 started for Gumiho's bio
Lair for Shine
3rd base restarted for Shine

10:00 84 vs 66
1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine
armory for GuMiho
3 more rax for GuMiho
baneling speed for Shine
macro hatch for Shine
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12354 Posts
January 15 2014 11:35 GMT
#545
On January 15 2014 20:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 20:27 DJHelium wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:26 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:18 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Does Mech work in vP? or only against zerg?


Not at the pro-level.

I've seen it played successfully at the NA GM level though.

Lol, perfect opportunity to mention Avilo again.


Wasn't really referring to Avilo, more referring to HTOMario although I've seen Mech played well in some of the teamleagues I've casted at the NA GM level from less well known GMs. Specific names escape me atm though.


We also saw Mvp try a mech timing attack vs herO at IEM (right?). It was on Whirlwind, and it failed miserably


Like I said, it's not viable at the pro-level.

Nearly all of the best Protoss professionals are ex-BW players who don't panic when they see Mech being used, from what I've experienced most of Mech's viability at the levels below that vs Protoss comes from just a lack of experience Protoss players have against it.


It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz.
Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work
We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 15 2014 11:35 GMT
#546
Gumiho wins unless something goes tragically wrong
Zerg for Life
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
January 15 2014 11:35 GMT
#547
Gumiho making supply walls everywhere :D
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 15 2014 11:37 GMT
#548
On January 15 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 20:30 Shellshock wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:26 Shellshock wrote:
[Code A] Group A GSL S1 2014
[image loading] (Z)Shine vs. (T)GuMiho
Game 3
Map: Yeonsu

0:00
Shine spawns in the bottom left
GuMiho spawns in the top right

1:40
rax first for GuMiho
gas for GuMiho

2:00
hatch first for Shine
reaper for GuMiho
pool for Shine

3:00
gas for Shine
gas steal by Shine
CC for GuMiho on the low ground
factory for GuMiho
reactor for GuMiho

4:00
ling speed for Shine
reaper harassing the main of Shine

5:00
marauder for GuMiho
hellions for GuMiho
stim research for GuMiho

6:00
3rd base for Shine
another gas for Shine
hellions and reaper force a cancel on Shine's 3rd
3rd CC for GuMiho
Roach warren for Shine

7:00 55 vs 51
3rd base restarted for Shine
double ebay for GuMiho
baneling nest for Shine
double evo for Shine
roaches for Shine

8:00 69 vs 72
hellion marauder push at the 3rd of Shine
3rd of Shine is killed

9:00 83 vs 76
hellions and marauders are cornered and GuMiho trades away his army
2 hellions actually escape
widow mines for GuMiho
1-1 started for Gumiho's bio
Lair for Shine
3rd base restarted for Shine

10:00 84 vs 66
1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine
armory for GuMiho
3 more rax for GuMiho
baneling speed for Shine
macro hatch for Shine

11:00 94 vs 86
GuMiho takes his 3rd
2-2 started for GuMiho
combat shields for GuMiho
spore for Shine
spire for Shine
medivacs for GuMiho
ling roach pressure at the 3rd of GuMiho
GuMiho is able to push the attack back

12:00 109 vs 113
17 more banes for Shine
even more banelings for Shine

13:00 113 vs 120
baneling speed is finished
+1 vehicle armor for GuMiho
drop forces a cancel on shine's 4th right after it starts
GuMiho cleaning up creep with his drop
mutas for Shine

14:00 136 vs 158
burrow research started for Shine
4th base restarted for Shine
+2 melee for Shine
drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up
+2 carapace for Shine
more creep is being cleaned up by GuMiho
4th CC for GuMiho

15:00 140 vs 171
overlord speed for Shine
3-3 started for GuMiho
bio push forces a cancel on Shine's 4th
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
January 15 2014 11:37 GMT
#549
Shine is so dead.. I really hope Gumiho shows better TvP
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 11:38:12
January 15 2014 11:37 GMT
#550
On January 15 2014 20:35 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 20:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:27 DJHelium wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:26 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:18 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Does Mech work in vP? or only against zerg?


Not at the pro-level.

I've seen it played successfully at the NA GM level though.

Lol, perfect opportunity to mention Avilo again.


Wasn't really referring to Avilo, more referring to HTOMario although I've seen Mech played well in some of the teamleagues I've casted at the NA GM level from less well known GMs. Specific names escape me atm though.


We also saw Mvp try a mech timing attack vs herO at IEM (right?). It was on Whirlwind, and it failed miserably


Like I said, it's not viable at the pro-level.

Nearly all of the best Protoss professionals are ex-BW players who don't panic when they see Mech being used, from what I've experienced most of Mech's viability at the levels below that vs Protoss comes from just a lack of experience Protoss players have against it.


It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz.
Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work
We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally


If I told you a strategy was successful let's say.... 3 out of 25 times (and that's being generous) would you consider it viable?

It's not viable. It's not that Bio is better (which it is) Mech just has way too many weaknesses a good Protoss can exploit while having so few strengths to make it worth using.

The few times we've seen it employed successfully at the pro-Level it has been in timing attack all ins, most of which are only successful due to significant Hellion or Widow Mine damage done due to poor preparation or scouting from the Protoss.

That's not viability, that's fluke wins.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
January 15 2014 11:37 GMT
#551
Well this game was kind of over after the kill on the third. Not really sure how to know that push is coming when terran has map control with hellions.
hundred thousand krouner
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#552
On January 15 2014 20:35 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 20:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:27 DJHelium wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:26 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:22 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:18 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Does Mech work in vP? or only against zerg?


Not at the pro-level.

I've seen it played successfully at the NA GM level though.

Lol, perfect opportunity to mention Avilo again.


Wasn't really referring to Avilo, more referring to HTOMario although I've seen Mech played well in some of the teamleagues I've casted at the NA GM level from less well known GMs. Specific names escape me atm though.


We also saw Mvp try a mech timing attack vs herO at IEM (right?). It was on Whirlwind, and it failed miserably


Like I said, it's not viable at the pro-level.

Nearly all of the best Protoss professionals are ex-BW players who don't panic when they see Mech being used, from what I've experienced most of Mech's viability at the levels below that vs Protoss comes from just a lack of experience Protoss players have against it.


It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz.
Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work
We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally


it's viable if you accept to die to any all in pre 10min to get a composition that's actually worse than bio. Which is just bad.
Zest fanboy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#553
On January 15 2014 20:37 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:30 Shellshock wrote:
On January 15 2014 20:26 Shellshock wrote:
[Code A] Group A GSL S1 2014
[image loading] (Z)Shine vs. (T)GuMiho
Game 3
Map: Yeonsu

0:00
Shine spawns in the bottom left
GuMiho spawns in the top right

1:40
rax first for GuMiho
gas for GuMiho

2:00
hatch first for Shine
reaper for GuMiho
pool for Shine

3:00
gas for Shine
gas steal by Shine
CC for GuMiho on the low ground
factory for GuMiho
reactor for GuMiho

4:00
ling speed for Shine
reaper harassing the main of Shine

5:00
marauder for GuMiho
hellions for GuMiho
stim research for GuMiho

6:00
3rd base for Shine
another gas for Shine
hellions and reaper force a cancel on Shine's 3rd
3rd CC for GuMiho
Roach warren for Shine

7:00 55 vs 51
3rd base restarted for Shine
double ebay for GuMiho
baneling nest for Shine
double evo for Shine
roaches for Shine

8:00 69 vs 72
hellion marauder push at the 3rd of Shine
3rd of Shine is killed

9:00 83 vs 76
hellions and marauders are cornered and GuMiho trades away his army
2 hellions actually escape
widow mines for GuMiho
1-1 started for Gumiho's bio
Lair for Shine
3rd base restarted for Shine

10:00 84 vs 66
1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine
armory for GuMiho
3 more rax for GuMiho
baneling speed for Shine
macro hatch for Shine

11:00 94 vs 86
GuMiho takes his 3rd
2-2 started for GuMiho
combat shields for GuMiho
spore for Shine
spire for Shine
medivacs for GuMiho
ling roach pressure at the 3rd of GuMiho
GuMiho is able to push the attack back

12:00 109 vs 113
17 more banes for Shine
even more banelings for Shine

13:00 113 vs 120
baneling speed is finished
+1 vehicle armor for GuMiho
drop forces a cancel on shine's 4th right after it starts
GuMiho cleaning up creep with his drop
mutas for Shine

14:00 136 vs 158
burrow research started for Shine
4th base restarted for Shine
+2 melee for Shine
drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up
+2 carapace for Shine
more creep is being cleaned up by GuMiho
4th CC for GuMiho

15:00 140 vs 171
overlord speed for Shine
3-3 started for GuMiho
bio push forces a cancel on Shine's 4th

16:00 155 vs 181
GuMiho pushing into the 3rd of Shine
concussive shells for GuMiho
+2 vehicle armor for GuMiho
GuMiho doesnt split very well against the banes but he has too much for it to matter

17:00 105 vs 149
Shine ggs!
GuMiho wins 2-1!
Shine falls to Code B
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#554
Poll: Recommend Loser Match - Game 3

Good Game (4)
 
57%

Meh Game (2)
 
29%

Bad Game (1)
 
14%

Excellent Game (0)
 
0%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Loser Match - Game 3

(Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game

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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#555
Good job gumiiiii!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#556
Hopefully Gumiho does better against Classic.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#557
damnit why does a P have to stand in the way of Gumiho
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
January 15 2014 11:38 GMT
#558
WP Gumi, GG Shine!
Now cruuusshh the Chintoss!
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 15 2014 11:39 GMT
#559
On January 15 2014 20:37 Zheryn wrote:
Well this game was kind of over after the kill on the third. Not really sure how to know that push is coming when terran has map control with hellions.


Shine saw Gumiho save up marauders and hellions in his natural, should've been able to prepare imo.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
January 15 2014 11:39 GMT
#560
yay Gumiho!

I don't think he'll win vs Classic simply because his creativity just isn't anywhere near as valuable in TvP as it is in TvZ but it's good to see him not go last in this group.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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