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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
His reaction with the umadbro post was just very silly and immature, not something that someone that is trying to lead should be doing. That helped solidify my thoughts that he is not actually cop, though as stated, no one actually knows if there is a cop. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
I have however noticed that Solohan50 has continued to write very little since he was called out on lurking once and defending himself against it. The things he did write in that period consistently involve cases on Kohbee and nothing else. If one were to jump to conclusions, one could say that Solohan50 saw Kohbee's claim knowing he's not scum and wanted the lynch to stay on the blue target. On the other hand, it doesn't make as much sense for Solohan50 to have as strong a suspicion of Kohbee as it shows up in his filter. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:20 KharadBanar wrote: I admit that I have been angering myself too much about the state of this thread to actually come up with any reads. You and me both, it was near impossible to find anything with the little tiff that was going on the past few days. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
1. Fourface was probably the smartest kill by scum. Despite being abrasive and annoying, he was also our only 100% confirmed townie. Let me explain - remember when I made my two posts about if Kohbee is or isn't really the cop? In the first one, I said that fourface was town if Kohbee is town, because if he was scum he could have let the claimed cop get lynched with basically no suspicion, just by claiming to have been afk between the claim and the resolution of the vote. IMO that was too good of a chance for scum to pass up- however only fourface and hiro actually had that chance. The thing is, I actually took out a couple of sentences from my next post on what it means if Kohbee is scum. If Kohbee is scum, then fourface would also have had to be town, since it was largely due to fourface changing his vote that Kohbee was so close to being lynched. Personally, I thought Kohbee was scum, but I was pressed to take my vote off him until fourface put his vote on Kohbee. I took that part out of my post because I was hoping mafia wouldn't realize that fourface was the only 100% confirmed innocent, and therefore their top lynch target. I guess they are smarter than I hoped - or else they were just as annoyed by fourface as everyone else... Gonna post this now, then start writing up some reads. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
First up, kohbee. I stand by my read on Kohbee from day 1. His random vote on hiro was completely unjustified - hiro had done nothing scummy. Now as I said then, that could either e a town action or a scum action. For town, then it's trying to spark discussion by shocking us into action. However, it could also be a scum action - hoping that a noob town will bandwagon, leading to a mislynch; or an attempt by scum to distance themselves from each other. It would be a particularly good scum action, since there's a town explanation for it as well as a scum explanation, but the potential to causes mislynch in such a small game is a big advantage for scum. So, just from that action we don't know whether Kohbee is scum or town. However! Two things about Kohbee's actions yesterday make it unlikely that he's town. First his response to therapist - if he was really trying to spark discussion then it makes no sense to respond simply "I don't talk to scum" to someone who pushes you. That reeks of someone hoping to get town to bandwagon, rather than someone who wants us all to talk and get information out there. Second, he claimed to be the cop. In my opinion it makes no sense for the cop to be the person who jumps out with a random early vote. The potential for backfiring is obvious: it could draw attention from town, if they follow my initial analysis that the random vote could be either scummy or town, and it could draw heat from mafia if you start to look like a town leader, and get you shot. Pulling all that risk onto yourself as blue on day 1 makes no sense for town. Kohbee is scum. Reads on other players will come later, after my conference call - maybe at lunch time. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
" On April 03 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote: Could someone give me the case against therapist? So far it seems to me like the case is that he went after Kohbee for going after hiropro, which makes him suspicious because hiropro might be his mafia teammate. I can see that being a legitimate argument, but I'm not persuaded by it; as I said above, the scum explanation for kohbee's early vote is just as strong as the town explanation in my opinion, and I could also just be the fact that therapist jumped to that conclusion. As therapist flipped townie, I couldn't see why you would cast doubt on his vote when it was a convenient bandwagon. At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. Some of his opening flippant comments. To Therapist: "you were my 2nd scum team member. Thanks for confirming to me." "I don't talk to scum" I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd. He seemed quite convinced early on for no reason. He also lashed out at strongandbig because he voted for him (so my notes are telling me, hope I'm right). The blue claim was also just... ugh. Bad town play, or scum play. I also really don't like the following On April 02 2012 05:53 Kohbee wrote: There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Why do you want to know this? Provide a kill list to scum? Why does scum need Kohbee's town reads for a kill list?! They know who all the townies are. I really really find this answer scummy. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 03 2012 23:17 strongandbig wrote: + Show Spoiler + Now for some reads. First up, kohbee. I stand by my read on Kohbee from day 1. His random vote on hiro was completely unjustified - hiro had done nothing scummy. Now as I said then, that could either e a town action or a scum action. For town, then it's trying to spark discussion by shocking us into action. However, it could also be a scum action - hoping that a noob town will bandwagon, leading to a mislynch; or an attempt by scum to distance themselves from each other. It would be a particularly good scum action, since there's a town explanation for it as well as a scum explanation, but the potential to causes mislynch in such a small game is a big advantage for scum. So, just from that action we don't know whether Kohbee is scum or town. However! Two things about Kohbee's actions yesterday make it unlikely that he's town. First his response to therapist - if he was really trying to spark discussion then it makes no sense to respond simply "I don't talk to scum" to someone who pushes you. That reeks of someone hoping to get town to bandwagon, rather than someone who wants us all to talk and get information out there. Second, he claimed to be the cop. In my opinion it makes no sense for the cop to be the person who jumps out with a random early vote. The potential for backfiring is obvious: it could draw attention from town, if they follow my initial analysis that the random vote could be either scummy or town, and it could draw heat from mafia if you start to look like a town leader, and get you shot. Pulling all that risk onto yourself as blue on day 1 makes no sense for town. Kohbee is scum. Reads on other players will come later, after my conference call - maybe at lunch time. First of all my vote on Hiropro was completely justified. His beginning trolling seemed much more calculated and nervous than everyone else posting at the time. This means he either a. Did not want to post (scum) or b. Didn't know how/what to post (scum or newbie town could be doing this). I wanted to focus on hiropro. I wanted his reaction, which is why i voted him, not everyone elses. My idea was that because he seemed so nervous if he was scum he would have reacted much differently than he actually did. You can call this tunneling but I believe I had more than ample time to change my read if need be. Therapist came through like a truck soft defending Hiropro before he even had a chance to respond to my accusation. I was focused on Hiropro, so I disregarded Therapist at the time. When Hiropro finally responded (which he did in a way that screamed idc about a vote being on me, which is super townie) I realized that my initial read was probably wrong and that Hiropro was probably town. By this point I had a bunch of dumbass votes on me for no reason other than fear that I was too aggressive. Also, to Strong's second point about the way I have played as cop I have already answered this earlier in the thread. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 20:34 Kohbee wrote: If we as a town are depending on our blues then we already lost. While it can be extremely helpful to confirm accusations and clear mislynches, our play in the thread not relating to blues is what will make or break town. There never should have been any heat on me as I have done nothing wrong. It is the fault of everyone voting for me that I had to blue claim. If you are town you should have seen me as someone willing to put the spotlight on themselves, explain what they are doing/did, and actually trying to scum hunt in a time there was none. You really believe I am scum because I am not playing cop the same way you would. I don't see being a blue to be as powerful as you seem to think it is. You keep acting like the cop role is our only saving grace, I just think of it as an aid to town. On April 03 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. Some of his opening flippant comments. To Therapist: "you were my 2nd scum team member. Thanks for confirming to me." "I don't talk to scum" I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd. He seemed quite convinced early on for no reason. He also lashed out at strongandbig because he voted for him (so my notes are telling me, hope I'm right). The blue claim was also just... ugh. Bad town play, or scum play. I also really don't like the following On April 02 2012 05:53 Kohbee wrote: There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Why do you want to know this? Provide a kill list to scum? Why does scum need Kohbee's town reads for a kill list?! They know who all the townies are. I really really find this answer scummy. I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd What? I just disregarded him for standing up for Hiropro without letting him speak for himself. Thats hardly an obsession. I only voted him to save myself because I knew I was a mislynch and wasn't sure that he was town.Also, town lists are bad this early in the game. Because anything you have right on there will be the prime targets for scum to kill. Scum know everyone that is town (no shit) but they don't know who town will focus on for lynching down the line. Anyone that is confirmed town, to townies, is usually who scum will go after first. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote: Why do you hate me so much seriously? I just post that I don't believe you are cop, I post all my findings, and while not all of them are original, you just go after me? I'm sorry I suck as an observer all right? Anywho, going off of my post that I made, I will happily go with my gut. ##vote kohbee I do not believe you are the real cop. On April 03 2012 09:22 omnomMuffins wrote: Actually I think the real reason you don't like me is because I took your power away by pointing out that you actually have none when you announced you were role blocked. So you are as blind as the rest of us, and need to act like you have power. Or you are mafia. To me these posts start off wanting empathy and pity (as almost all his posts do). This seems emotional like a new scum player that got caught and is trying to guilt town into not lynching him. To me, he is basically saying "Guys! Get this big meanie off of me" Ps. Omnom, I don't dislike you at all IRL and outside of this game. I will buy you a beer if we ever meet in person. | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
KharadBanar - Probably townie, or the most helpful Mafia I've seen. Most of his posts are on-topic and seem well thought out. I can't think of much more to say except the Arnold quote also gave me a nice chuckle and makes him +1 in my book. Omnomnom - I'm not sure yet. He has one really substantive post and then a couple of smaller posts, but not much else. He also decries spamming the thread, but then spams the thread to get rid of the GIF that Khobee posted. I think time will tell on this one, since he did have a legit excuse for being gone. In my mind, it could go either way. The excuse for being gone, while legit, could also be the perfect excuse for Mafia to lurk and let other people do the dirty work. On the other hand, he could just be a Townie who hasn't had much time to post. Kohbee - I think I've made it clear why Kohbee is my top suspect, though I will admit that my emotions got the best of me at the end of the first day. I'm probably not supposed to say this, but a big part of my annoyance was that Therapist is a friend outside of the game. We made sure to follow the rules and didn't talk about the game at all, but it did get under my skin to see him get lynched on the first day of his first game because of a last minute roleclaim. I need to go through some more filters and take a look at the rest of people to see what I can come up with. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
Kohbee, if you go to IPL I expect that drink. The next reason for why I am suspicious of Kohbee right now is simple. If Kohbee is a cop, why role block instead of simply kill, thereby getting rid of the the blue instead of getting rid of FourFace. I mean yes, I can see that FourFace was probably as aggravating to the mafia as he was to the rest of us, but keeping him alive would have been a good move since it would have essentially stopped the thread from progressing as it had before. Leaving Kohbee alive when the majority of people do not trust him as cop would have been an amazing well we fucked up moment that could have shattered pretty much all the trust going on in here (the little that there is) for good. Then he claims my list of reasons and quotes to be emotional and pity gathering. No I was not pity gathering or begging on emotion. I was simply telling you guys when I would be able to be active once again. The insta lynch of HiroPro that he wanted after TWO sentences is still really raw from the beginning, because those two sentences were apparently the most awkward or scummy things said yet, when they were preceeded by: FourFace's immediate vote for self KB's conversation where he said ot "get back into character" and Some very awkward sentence structure from S&B. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
This also leads me to reason with why you were wishy-washy about giving an opinion on therapist in your first real post, and what motivated you to vote for me in the first place. Basically you go back to a completely null read and get away with an entire day/night cycle because of an outside the game excuse. Omnom there are a couple things I want to respond to. and unfortunately I will not be at IPL TT, we can talk post game about another time. If Kohbee is a cop, why role block instead of simply kill, thereby getting rid of the the blue instead of getting rid of FourFace. There is WIFOM logic to this but if I had to guess its because I am still a viable mis-lynch candidate. I don't pose any extra threat to scum because they can role-block me and I don't have much credibility with the town as it currently stands. The insta lynch of HiroPro that he wanted after TWO sentences is still really raw from the beginning, because those two sentences were apparently the most awkward or scummy things said yet, when they were preceeded by: FourFace's immediate vote for self KB's conversation where he said ot "get back into character" and Some very awkward sentence structure from S&B. Once again, I did not call for his lynch, nor did I rally people to vote for him. I simply put a vote and a reason on him to make him respond. Fourface is crazy as shit, thus him posting crazy as shit isn't scummy to me. KB posts like he has no fear of the repercussions for his posts, this is extremely townie as I have said before. s&b didn't really give me scum vibes. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:47 KharadBanar wrote: The roleblock on Kohbee could also come from a Jailkeeper who wanted to protect him because a doctor is an asset to keep around / keep him from killing someone if he was mafia. Just throwing that out there, I'm far from convinced he's town though. Sure that is a possibility, but it is fairly easy to claim role blocked if the role doesn't exist in the first place. So if we review from the start right now we have a few options. Either way mafia has 1 guy who kills and 1 guy who roll blocks. From there our options are Cop/Doctor Cop/Jailkeep Doctor/Jailkeep just a cop just a doctor or just a jailkeep So if he isn't actually a cop, that means there is a 50/50 chance that someone out there is the cop. If he is the cop that means he either has no protection, a medic for protection, or the only protection he has is the jail keep, which renders him inert since he gets role blocked from that protection every night making him essentially just a normal townie. If he is cap and is getting role blocked by the jail keep, that means that he is trying to throw around extra weight that he doesn't really have either way simply by being blue. Being blue doesn't automatically give you better insight into anything, you need to use your abilities to have those insights. So throwing around weight because he is "cop" is actually fairly detrimental to town, and if he isn't cop, that means that he is also detrimental to town. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 04 2012 04:16 omnomMuffins wrote: Sure that is a possibility, but it is fairly easy to claim role blocked if the role doesn't exist in the first place. So if we review from the start right now we have a few options. Either way mafia has 1 guy who kills and 1 guy who roll blocks. From there our options are Cop/Doctor Cop/Jailkeep Doctor/Jailkeep just a cop just a doctor or just a jailkeep So if he isn't actually a cop, that means there is a 50/50 chance that someone out there is the cop. If he is the cop that means he either has no protection, a medic for protection, or the only protection he has is the jail keep, which renders him inert since he gets role blocked from that protection every night making him essentially just a normal townie. If he is cap and is getting role blocked by the jail keep, that means that he is trying to throw around extra weight that he doesn't really have either way simply by being blue. Being blue doesn't automatically give you better insight into anything, you need to use your abilities to have those insights. So throwing around weight because he is "cop" is actually fairly detrimental to town, and if he isn't cop, that means that he is also detrimental to town. If there was another sane cop they should have come forward and got me lynched. A 1 for 1 in a 9 - 2 starting game is beyond worth it. Secondly, what do you mean by throwing around weight? (also meant to ask what an albert is). This just sounds like you are trying to make my voice sound louder than in reality it is. There is next to no one in the thread that currently trusts me, yet you act like I have this power over town to just get you lynched with the snap of my fingers. You seem scared. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
Look at your reactions to whenever the FOS goes to you. You degrade the people pointing it, declare them mafia, seemingly purposefully misinterpret what people are saying and you immediately deflect. That does not seem like confident behavior, especially if you know you are cop. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
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