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Fruscainte
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mattekillert
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Nessy27
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On May 30 2011 05:37 mattekillert wrote: HeirofCarthage is the best one but also PrinceofMacedon i guess Checking out Heir, pretty good stuff! Thanks. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On April 09 2011 03:00 KinneySL wrote: Yowza. The Uesugi campaign is freaking hard. No matter what you do, you find yourself sandwiched between two other great clans - the extremely aggressive Takeda, and the Date, whose only avenue of expansion is straight through you - and both can get upgraded signature units must faster than you can. The only way I found of beating this campaign is to use single generals with battles in time limit, and place the generals in chokepoints. Let the enemy attack you with their armies again and again, constantly running around them in a big square and grinding out a victory. This can but done even against takeda light cavalry if you keep enough distance to avoid activating their 'chase' mentality. From there you have to expand upwards, kill Date (they are pretty fail compared to Takeda) and take the lands, as well as make ships to take an army to get the island just above you and to get 20 trade ships to the trade post above. Get some cash and grind out some ridiculously hard battles in order to get a foothold against Takeda who usually have other people knocking on their back door. From then on it's just about sweeping up the north of Japan, getting yourself some of those precious Date shrines for level 7 warrior monks and then laughing as you walk through everyone  | ||
Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Here's why. Rome TW and Medieval 2 were leaps and bounds ahead of each other and Shogun: Total War. Each time I bought a new game I was impressed with all the new options and I still to this day fondly remember so many campaigns in both those games. There were constantly new elements and challenges opening up the further you progress and no matter how strong you grew, there was always someone to come knock at your door and say Hi, this is mine. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that a lot. I'll never forget the time I tried to hold Jerusalem outnumbered by eight times against the Mongols. Praying I could once again lead a sneak cav attack on their siege lines so my walls could hold off the thousands of elite troops outside my walls. I'll never forget moments like that or the eventual loss that still came as a mild surprise and later retaking of lost provinces. It was beautiful. Empire was a fantastic game. It brought new innovation and new settings to a tried and true formula and I enjoyed it. There were game breaking bugs that took far too long to fix (lol pick Britain and never get invaded) but the sheer scale of the world made up for it. Though, after playing enough campaigns I realized that about half way through every time it was over. There was no way that the entire world united could stop me. Diplomacy, why? I can conquer all of you. Hell, I didn't even need to cultivate the conquered towns, I already had a power base big enough to win the campaign. All in all though, great times. Napolean, which I did play and didn't buy was the same game with a much smaller world and while the tactics of battles evolved the rest of the game did not. It was disappointing to say the least. And on to present day. Shogun 2. Bought on release, eager to see if it would be like M2:TW and expand on an original game with amazing new features and AI. Nope. Same old AI. Same semi broken diplomacy that requires you to modify the game in order to enjoy that aspect. The same increasing ire and hatred from both allies and others alike when you had the audacity to claim a province after a clan declares war on you. Naval combat is updated and uninteresting after enough times. The idea behind having a food supply was great but the implementation was terrible. Why build more than one market if in the long run you gain more wealth from having a food surplus than markets? Then theres realm divide. No matter what diplomatic wrangling you've managed up to this point, its gone now. All of your vassals and allies will turn on you. And theres no winning them back, even if you destroy them and turn them into vassals anew. Its fun fighting the world at once, but every campaign? No ty. So, diplomacy is only the first act of the game and as far as naval combat goes.. once the Black Ship arrives and you capture it (An absurdly easy endeavor) you completely rule the oceans. You can afford to have your entire fleet on one side of Japan while the Black Ship alone holds the other side. Which leaves your enemies only one direction to attack. Straight up the middle. For that reason I enjoy (Present tense, I'm still playing even if I'm not paying for another TW) playing the northern clans much more than the southern. Their larger and wider provinces give the enemy armies much more room to avoid yours and much more meaningful campaigns for me. So, I don't like realm divide and the constant "expansion" hatred from everyone. I think naval combat is a joke. The diplomacy is still an issue and I have to severely modify more than one thing just to make the game work how CA intended. But that isn't enough to turn me off from TW. DLC is. Empire started it and I was unhappy then . I have to buy the collector edition to get all the units? Huh. I guess the CE is more like the real game and the standard version is the "economy model". Well thats crap but I'll just deal with it. Oh I see, a lot of DLC has come out. Again, I don't need more units to have fun and the mod community is good enough to provide that anyway for free. But Shogun 2 has taken this well past the simple additional content on top of the game. Within months of release another clan was released. M2:TW had over a dozen choices. Empire had around 10. S2:TW has .. ... what, 7? And now they are selling us additional clans? It's gone from the casual "Hey we thought we'd make some more content but since we're a business and the guys in the pen have to draw a salary, could you pay a few bucks for it?" To a marketing strategy, releasing part of the game then selling us the rest. CA has turned from a powerhouse of strategy games, releasing eloquent and complete games that I can play for years into bit by bit micro transaction games where you have to wait years until they release a full game. No thank you Creative Assembly. I'll miss playing your new games, especially when my friends tell me how 1337 teh sweet stuff in the Limited Edition is, but I still have Rome. And I still have M2:TW. And to me, there is nothing better. Also, I'll never have to worry that some idiot forgot to program in naval invasions for the AI. Disclosure: + Show Spoiler + The following retrospective has been written by either a genius or an insane man wearing a tinfoil cod piece {Obviously if men think with their dicks and the corporations are trying to read my thoughts, I want to block it out from the source}. I strongly urge you to consider me an insane man and write this off without comment, encouraging me will only give me gratification and not result in any change to CA's marketing and development process. I wish you all good night and good luck. | ||
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jlim
Spain943 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:38 Probe1 wrote: This is the last Total War game I'm going to buy (I own all of them except Napolean). + Show Spoiler + Here's why. Rome TW and Medieval 2 were leaps and bounds ahead of each other and Shogun: Total War. Each time I bought a new game I was impressed with all the new options and I still to this day fondly remember so many campaigns in both those games. There were constantly new elements and challenges opening up the further you progress and no matter how strong you grew, there was always someone to come knock at your door and say Hi, this is mine. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that a lot. I'll never forget the time I tried to hold Jerusalem outnumbered by eight times against the Mongols. Praying I could once again lead a sneak cav attack on their siege lines so my walls could hold off the thousands of elite troops outside my walls. I'll never forget moments like that or the eventual loss that still came as a mild surprise and later retaking of lost provinces. It was beautiful. Empire was a fantastic game. It brought new innovation and new settings to a tried and true formula and I enjoyed it. There were game breaking bugs that took far too long to fix (lol pick Britain and never get invaded) but the sheer scale of the world made up for it. Though, after playing enough campaigns I realized that about half way through every time it was over. There was no way that the entire world united could stop me. Diplomacy, why? I can conquer all of you. Hell, I didn't even need to cultivate the conquered towns, I already had a power base big enough to win the campaign. All in all though, great times. Napolean, which I did play and didn't buy was the same game with a much smaller world and while the tactics of battles evolved the rest of the game did not. It was disappointing to say the least. And on to present day. Shogun 2. Bought on release, eager to see if it would be like M2:TW and expand on an original game with amazing new features and AI. Nope. Same old AI. Same semi broken diplomacy that requires you to modify the game in order to enjoy that aspect. The same increasing ire and hatred from both allies and others alike when you had the audacity to claim a province after a clan declares war on you. Naval combat is updated and uninteresting after enough times. The idea behind having a food supply was great but the implementation was terrible. Why build more than one market if in the long run you gain more wealth from having a food surplus than markets? Then theres realm divide. No matter what diplomatic wrangling you've managed up to this point, its gone now. All of your vassals and allies will turn on you. And theres no winning them back, even if you destroy them and turn them into vassals anew. Its fun fighting the world at once, but every campaign? No ty. So, diplomacy is only the first act of the game and as far as naval combat goes.. once the Black Ship arrives and you capture it (An absurdly easy endeavor) you completely rule the oceans. You can afford to have your entire fleet on one side of Japan while the Black Ship alone holds the other side. Which leaves your enemies only one direction to attack. Straight up the middle. For that reason I enjoy (Present tense, I'm still playing even if I'm not paying for another TW) playing the northern clans much more than the southern. Their larger and wider provinces give the enemy armies much more room to avoid yours and much more meaningful campaigns for me. So, I don't like realm divide and the constant "expansion" hatred from everyone. I think naval combat is a joke. The diplomacy is still an issue and I have to severely modify more than one thing just to make the game work how CA intended. But that isn't enough to turn me off from TW. DLC is. Empire started it and I was unhappy then . I have to buy the collector edition to get all the units? Huh. I guess the CE is more like the real game and the standard version is the "economy model". Well thats crap but I'll just deal with it. Oh I see, a lot of DLC has come out. Again, I don't need more units to have fun and the mod community is good enough to provide that anyway for free. But Shogun 2 has taken this well past the simple additional content on top of the game. Within months of release another clan was released. M2:TW had over a dozen choices. Empire had around 10. S2:TW has .. ... what, 7? And now they are selling us additional clans? It's gone from the casual "Hey we thought we'd make some more content but since we're a business and the guys in the pen have to draw a salary, could you pay a few bucks for it?" To a marketing strategy, releasing part of the game then selling us the rest. CA has turned from a powerhouse of strategy games, releasing eloquent and complete games that I can play for years into bit by bit micro transaction games where you have to wait years until they release a full game. No thank you Creative Assembly. I'll miss playing your new games, especially when my friends tell me how 1337 teh sweet stuff in the Limited Edition is, but I still have Rome. And I still have M2:TW. And to me, there is nothing better. Also, I'll never have to worry that some idiot forgot to program in naval invasions for the AI. Disclosure: + Show Spoiler + The following retrospective has been written by either a genius or an insane man wearing a tinfoil cod piece {Obviously if men think with their dicks and the corporations are trying to read my thoughts, I want to block it out from the source}. I strongly urge you to consider me an insane man and write this off without comment, encouraging me will only give me gratification and not result in any change to CA's marketing and development process. I wish you all good night and good luck. thx, now i can feel sure about my utter decision of not playing TW anymore | ||
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Snoman
Canada191 Posts
Then I bought Empire and had my heart broken as I played through the wreckage that was that piece of unfinished garbage. I was hoping for Shogun 2 to be a return to former glory....Nope...carbon copy. Thanks CA. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On June 17 2011 03:23 Snoman wrote: Man I still remember how excited I was for M2TW and how awesome the game was, nevermind all the mods that followed. Then I bought Empire and had my heart broken as I played through the wreckage that was that piece of unfinished garbage. I was hoping for Shogun 2 to be a return to former glory....Nope...carbon copy. Thanks CA. ? Empire was garbage? Are you serious? Yah, it's tedious to play, but the level of sophistacation and effort needed to play that game is unparalleled at that point. And honestly, Shogun 2 was a great reboot of a series. The campaign is easy to get used to and the combat goes back to the good ol days of arrows and swords. Loved Shogun 2, can't wait for the new game! | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
I first installed it via cd and that worked fine. Until i connected it to steam =S Now it won't start at all and just has that steam load-box thing and then it just closes itself, doesn't go into the game or anything. btw, any thoughts on the DLC campaign coming out soon for Shogun? bump again cause Shogun2 still won't start for me, and I have nfi why =[ | ||
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spicykorean
United States7 Posts
The new DLC campaign came at the end of last month. "Rise of the Samurai" is much better than the original campaigns. However, multiplayer matchmaker games are still very much in need of bug fixes and balance changes even after all this time.  | ||
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JoFritzMD
Australia163 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:38 Probe1 wrote: This is the last Total War game I'm going to buy (I own all of them except Napolean). Here's why. Rome TW and Medieval 2 were leaps and bounds ahead of each other and Shogun: Total War. Each time I bought a new game I was impressed with all the new options and I still to this day fondly remember so many campaigns in both those games. There were constantly new elements and challenges opening up the further you progress and no matter how strong you grew, there was always someone to come knock at your door and say Hi, this is mine. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that a lot. I'll never forget the time I tried to hold Jerusalem outnumbered by eight times against the Mongols. Praying I could once again lead a sneak cav attack on their siege lines so my walls could hold off the thousands of elite troops outside my walls. I'll never forget moments like that or the eventual loss that still came as a mild surprise and later retaking of lost provinces. It was beautiful. Empire was a fantastic game. It brought new innovation and new settings to a tried and true formula and I enjoyed it. There were game breaking bugs that took far too long to fix (lol pick Britain and never get invaded) but the sheer scale of the world made up for it. Though, after playing enough campaigns I realized that about half way through every time it was over. There was no way that the entire world united could stop me. Diplomacy, why? I can conquer all of you. Hell, I didn't even need to cultivate the conquered towns, I already had a power base big enough to win the campaign. All in all though, great times. Napolean, which I did play and didn't buy was the same game with a much smaller world and while the tactics of battles evolved the rest of the game did not. It was disappointing to say the least. And on to present day. Shogun 2. Bought on release, eager to see if it would be like M2:TW and expand on an original game with amazing new features and AI. Nope. Same old AI. Same semi broken diplomacy that requires you to modify the game in order to enjoy that aspect. The same increasing ire and hatred from both allies and others alike when you had the audacity to claim a province after a clan declares war on you. Naval combat is updated and uninteresting after enough times. The idea behind having a food supply was great but the implementation was terrible. Why build more than one market if in the long run you gain more wealth from having a food surplus than markets? Then theres realm divide. No matter what diplomatic wrangling you've managed up to this point, its gone now. All of your vassals and allies will turn on you. And theres no winning them back, even if you destroy them and turn them into vassals anew. Its fun fighting the world at once, but every campaign? No ty. So, diplomacy is only the first act of the game and as far as naval combat goes.. once the Black Ship arrives and you capture it (An absurdly easy endeavor) you completely rule the oceans. You can afford to have your entire fleet on one side of Japan while the Black Ship alone holds the other side. Which leaves your enemies only one direction to attack. Straight up the middle. For that reason I enjoy (Present tense, I'm still playing even if I'm not paying for another TW) playing the northern clans much more than the southern. Their larger and wider provinces give the enemy armies much more room to avoid yours and much more meaningful campaigns for me. So, I don't like realm divide and the constant "expansion" hatred from everyone. I think naval combat is a joke. The diplomacy is still an issue and I have to severely modify more than one thing just to make the game work how CA intended. But that isn't enough to turn me off from TW. DLC is. Empire started it and I was unhappy then . I have to buy the collector edition to get all the units? Huh. I guess the CE is more like the real game and the standard version is the "economy model". Well thats crap but I'll just deal with it. Oh I see, a lot of DLC has come out. Again, I don't need more units to have fun and the mod community is good enough to provide that anyway for free. But Shogun 2 has taken this well past the simple additional content on top of the game. Within months of release another clan was released. M2:TW had over a dozen choices. Empire had around 10. S2:TW has .. ... what, 7? And now they are selling us additional clans? It's gone from the casual "Hey we thought we'd make some more content but since we're a business and the guys in the pen have to draw a salary, could you pay a few bucks for it?" To a marketing strategy, releasing part of the game then selling us the rest. CA has turned from a powerhouse of strategy games, releasing eloquent and complete games that I can play for years into bit by bit micro transaction games where you have to wait years until they release a full game. No thank you Creative Assembly. I'll miss playing your new games, especially when my friends tell me how 1337 teh sweet stuff in the Limited Edition is, but I still have Rome. And I still have M2:TW. And to me, there is nothing better. Also, I'll never have to worry that some idiot forgot to program in naval invasions for the AI. Disclosure: + Show Spoiler + The following retrospective has been written by either a genius or an insane man wearing a tinfoil cod piece {Obviously if men think with their dicks and the corporations are trying to read my thoughts, I want to block it out from the source}. I strongly urge you to consider me an insane man and write this off without comment, encouraging me will only give me gratification and not result in any change to CA's marketing and development process. I wish you all good night and good luck. brilliant :D there really isnt anything better than M2:TW.... BUT....if we follow the pattern, we see that its Rome 2 what should be coming next. and come on, this HAS to be good. shogun is only shitty because it was focused on 1 country. you cant expect real variety there. but rome 2 and M3:TW, im sure they will be epic again. so lets hope | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
I visit totalwar.org from time to time and Shogun 2 is actually the best received game since the original Shogun and Medieval. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:21 andrewlt wrote: I like Shogun because it has a tight mix of units. Rome had too many fantasy units for a game that is supposedly based on history. The Egypt faction is completely anachronistic. I visit totalwar.org from time to time and Shogun 2 is actually the best received game since the original Shogun and Medieval. History and theme is a pretty big factor in the TW-series, I really really liked Rome for that reason, since I've always been interested in that era. Medieval 2 also an age that I'm really interested in, but the game itself didn't live up to my expectations.. Empire on the other hand was really really awesome. I love the time-period, the history and the mood of the game. Shogun 2 however, didn't hold my attention for long though I'm affraid it's just because im not that interested in Japaneese history, or maybe I am, but I just have a hard time relating to it, I don't know.. I guess I've grown away from my Samurai and Ninja-fascination | ||
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Arunu
Netherlands111 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:32 ELA wrote:I don't know.. I guess I've grown away from my Samurai and Ninja-fascination can't be ! impossible ! on topic : haven't played shogun for a good while now, reading this made me want to try it again though. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:32 ELA wrote: History and theme is a pretty big factor in the TW-series, I really really liked Rome for that reason, since I've always been interested in that era. Medieval 2 also an age that I'm really interested in, but the game itself didn't live up to my expectations.. Empire on the other hand was really really awesome. I love the time-period, the history and the mood of the game. Shogun 2 however, didn't hold my attention for long though I'm affraid it's just because im not that interested in Japaneese history, or maybe I am, but I just have a hard time relating to it, I don't know.. I guess I've grown away from my Samurai and Ninja-fascinationI took a college course on Rome's history roughly a year or so before Rome's release so that game just made me facepalm. Especially the Egyptian faction. God, that was so horrible. I believe it still is, by far (and I mean really far), the most historically inaccurate game that they've made. That's why it saddens me that it's the favorite game of many of the newer fans, probably because it was the first game in 3d. This was an age before stirrups were used so infantry reigned supreme. The phalanx were slowly giving way to legions but they were both still the masters of the battlefield. Too bad cavalry and missile units actually reigned supreme in the game. The kill rates were also too high, almost arcade-like, which is very inaccurate for this time period as well. | ||
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