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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. Kav is good enough of a player to know that dementrio is as town as you can get. DT PLEASE check Kav as I'm almost certain that he's scum and vig don't shoot tonight, you have tomorrow night to shoot when things are clearer. Shooting tonight is just silly. | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
 First I wondered if Kav would be able to lead "us all" to vote for ON - and then do a pre-planned decoymanouever by suddensly saying someone else is scum and push votes to him (in this case unichan) - but ofcourse some of the scum had to stay on ON to ensure that a townie actually got lynched. But right now I cant really see how that could have been pulled off - or atleast i hope not. youngminii why are you suddenly protecting dementrio? you and him were both votes which still were left on ON yesterday... thats just my thoughts for now - gonna read through whats been posted since i left for work - I'll be back! | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:08 youngminii wrote: DO NOT SHOOT DEMENTRIO. If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. Kav is good enough of a player to know that dementrio is as town as you can get. DT PLEASE check Kav as I'm almost certain that he's scum and vig don't shoot tonight, you have tomorrow night to shoot when things are clearer. Shooting tonight is just silly. Lol, why do you care so much? If it's that obvious that Dementrio is town, why do you feel the need to defend him? Also don't shoot tonight? LOL? if someone dies tonight, we will be at lylo tomorrow. If two people die tonight, we will be at lylo. There will not be another night for the vig to shoot, unless medic protects the person who is targeted by mafia. | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
if there is a vigi i really think he should go for dementrio or unichan altho unichans post-ON-lynch post seemed so honest.. ah, the night post makes me feel guilty as hell. sorry ON. if i didn't vote for him though, it would have been me who'd get lynched, so i really had no other choice =/ Does scum feel guilty? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:04 prplhz wrote: Yea that's true, why wouldn't vigi just shoot on night3. Rofl, then it was a bad plan after all Palmar. Are you reading? It's lylo tomorrow regardless of whether he shoots. He won't have a chance to shoot night3 if we get the lynch wrong, and shooting tonight will make the lynch tomorrow easier. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:16 Kavdragon wrote: Are you reading? It's lylo tomorrow regardless of whether he shoots. He won't have a chance to shoot night3 if we get the lynch wrong, and shooting tonight will make the lynch tomorrow easier. If we mislynch tomorrow, we're down to 7 at night, he can still hit correctly and we end up lylo day4. Like I said it doesn't really matter when vigi shoots. Just in case, my parting words "conspiracy theory" minii/kav/steff and as always Use your head™ | ||
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dementrio
678 Posts
Now, the person I've been thinking the most about is kavdragon. Yesterday you explained how originalname was bandwagoned too easy and this made him town in your eyes even though you thought his defense was poor. And then the weird part begins. You said you were proposing unichan as an alternate, but you had to take time to find an argument against him first. You then show your argument, which was, pardon me if I'm blunt, "See, in this post he's very indecisive. That's scummy. In this post however he's very direct. That's called scumpeak". And nobody actually challenges that argument, not even unichan; prplhz critizes you for bringing it too soon as if that's what he was expecting from the start. What happens then is that everybody ignores unichan and half the town switches to him because you did. What I saw happen was you manipulating half the town (me included) into voting for originalname, and the rest for unichan. You say it's not necessary to DT check you because you're confident you can defend yourself if you're facing lynch. I think if you're scum we have lost precisely because of this. DT check kav please. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:38 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, why do you care so much? If it's that obvious that Dementrio is town, why do you feel the need to defend him? Also don't shoot tonight? LOL? if someone dies tonight, we will be at lylo tomorrow. If two people die tonight, we will be at lylo. There will not be another night for the vig to shoot, unless medic protects the person who is targeted by mafia. I hope vig doesn't actually take what Kav is saying seriously. If he's not scum, he's got to be the worst townie I have ever seen, worse than JeeJee. Right now it is 6v3. Tomorrow it will be 5v3. When we lynch someone it becomes 4v3. There is another night to shoot someone. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
3 of the following are scum: Palmar/Varpulis/Unichan/Kavdragon I am more certain of this then I am with the previous conspiracy theories, so much so that I don't call this a conspiracy theory, rather a very real accusation. The fact that Kav thinks he can just switch at the last moment from ON to Unichan goes against his exact line of reasoning against the people he 'scumhunted'. From Day 1 he has made HORRIBLE choices from town's point of view but could be explained if you view him as scum. These include a vote against sinani even though sinani literally had no reason to be lynched. Taking control of Day 2 and leading the way against ON, only to completely switch at the lats minute for a very silly reason. And then the illogical reasoning on Night 2. The DT must check him otherwise we have a potentially lost game as Kav is more than able to convince 1 or 2 townies to vote in his way, which is all he'll need at lylo. He lies low Day 1 then comes out on Day 2 to lead everyone after being called out for lurking. Varpulis is lying low. If one takes into consideration that Kav is scum (obviously an assumption is being made here, which is why I want a DT check on him), then Varpulis is an interesting name to pop up. He flies completely under the radar and Kav, in his ever so powerful scumhunting craze, doesn't see this? Varpulis lurks and Kav just ignores it, making as little reference to Varpulis as possible. Palmar's play has been wishy washy all game, but he has been basically following Kav's every move. He doesn't question, he doesn't falter, he just gives shoddy reasoning and jumps on whatever bandwagon Kav has created. Unichan is just flying waaaaaay under the radar and worries me a little. In case you didn't read the spoiler, this is my list of scum. I am almost dead certain that all the scum come from this list: Kavdragon Varpulis Palmar Unichan | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
I'm suspicious of everyone now except JeeJee and dementrio. Everything JeeJee's done up til now has been helpful and pro-town, has never given me scum vibes dementrio has been posting less than me (LOL), but he's never given me scum vibes either | ||
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DropBear
Australia4351 Posts
Dawn of the Third Day Terror had reigned through the night. The foul undead CubEdln had risen again. He had scattered the villagers. Fires burned and screams filled the night. The CubEdln bus was coming and everyone was jumping. "I'm a survivor!" he roared as he stalked those unfortunate enough to be nearby. Varpulis was trapped inside his rude shack he called a home was struck by a tree. Boom boom boom boom, he was stuck within his room. Desperately his neighbours tried to help him. With one huge furious flurry of effort they managed to unblock the front door and bring Varpulis out into the square. “If you wanna be town leader, you gotta stick with your friends. We don't want no scrubs.” They confronted CubEdln in the square. "You're going down baby, I want it to happen now baby" the undead monster growled hideously. The villagers came at him and he brushed them aside with ease. He had not however counted on Varpulis coming at him from behind. Wielding a sword shared down his family for generations, he cut off the demon's legs crying "You say it best when you say nothing at all!" But CubEdln was not finished. Even as he was crippled and dying again, he grabbed the impudent townie by the throat."Viva Mafia Forever!" he cried as he crushed his prey's head. Green blood spilled to the ground. The other villagers leaped in to finish off CubEdln but it was too late. They gathered around their friend in tears, but there was nothing they could do to save him. C'est La Vie, his heart will go on. There was no Doctor Jones to wake up now and save him. They had to keep on moving on anyway. The carnage did not end there. youngminii had survived the rampage of CubEdln and played a pivotal role in subduing the beast. He went for a walk afterwards to calm his nerves. Ain’t nothing gonna break my stride he thought to himself. "Ain’t nothing gonna slow ME down!" Suddenly a dark figure came out of the trees. “Stop right now, thank you very much!” it spoke ominously. “Who’s there?” The figure laughed. “Death. This’ll spice up your life!” Youngminii didn’t have time to react. A rapid movement came from the figure. He looked down to see a long, cruel-looking knife protruding from his body. As he toppled to the ground, green blood flowed freely. “Oops I did it again!” came the voice from the shadows and then it disappeared. The red sun rose that morning. The villagers arose full of purpose as they buried their dead. From here, they could make no mistakes. Varpulis the Vanilla Townie has been killed. youngminii the Vanilla Townie has been killed. CubEdln was killed for the second time. Will he be back? It is now Day 3! You have 48 hours to vote for who is to be lynched. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
Good luck finding them scumsters.  | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Good luck town! | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
My case for YoungMinii: v1.0 This was the first major opinon voiced by Youngminii: On June 05 2011 03:34 youngminii wrote: Vets are probably the strongest role in that they can fill in the role as town leader/coordinator. If the mafia want to kill him, they have to use 2KP or roleblock+hit (which not only reveals that there is a roleblocker, it uses both at once). Since the vet has a lower priority for mafia night killing, as long as the town are always cautious, the vet can act as the town pillar. I've looked back on a hunch and found out that Youngminii's last game was Salem Mafia. The two things that went wrong for that game was having centralized leadership, and people claiming. (this was a PM game, mind). Youngminii played as a Vet in that game. This was discussed at some length after the game, and I find it hard to believe that he didn't pick up on any of that. I mean, RoL even hosted a game afterwards specifically designed as punishment for the kind of play that went on in Salem. That's how bad it was. When I saw him advocating the vet claim I thought it was scummy, but figured he might have just never played with veterans before or something odd like that. Knowing now that he's played, not only with, but AS, a vet, I find this impossible to swallow. On June 05 2011 03:44 youngminii wrote: Advantage: Town gets a centralised 'voice' that can help coordinate us. Less confusion for us. Disadvantage: None really. It's the best way to utilise the vet role, and the only flaw that there could be is if someone lied about it, but the lie should become obvious eventually. But if you don't want to then I'm not going to argue, I think there's plenty of other/better discussion that could be happening instead of us arguing over something that you won't agree to. Better to have the palmar/mataza stuff going if this just isn't going to happen. Then he posts this. This makes absolutly no sense from a townies prospective: He explains why it would be advantagous to the town for the vet to claim ("the best way to utilize the vet role"), says that there is no disadvantage ("none"), but then says "I'm not going to argue over it" If you are town, and you have a really pro-town plan, why wouldn't you argue for it!? It's as if he doesn't care about it at all! Disregard that it's a bad plan, cause he clearly doesn't think that it's bad for town. It makes no sense for a townie to just say "meh, i'm not going to argue for this very protown plan." However, it's the perfect way for mafia to back out of something they don't want to argue any more. And look at how well that worked! Further evidence that he never really thought the plan was pro-town is here: On June 05 2011 06:13 youngminii wrote: You bring up a plan to create discussion while knowing it was completely bullshit, then you tell everyone to ignore the idea (making the discussion null and void anyway)? That's completely retarded, big FoS, if all the inactives come back before the end of the day my vote goes to you. This makes no sense if he thought the plan was pro-town. If you thought this plan was pro-town and he came in and said it was BS, what would you say? If someone comes up with a plan, and you agree with it, and then they say it's a bad plan, then the FoS is on you, right? Youngminii IS suspect for agreeing with this, but he doesn't defend the plan or himself. It makes no sense for YM to be a townie in this senario. It makes sense for YoungMinii to be scum in this scenario. YoungMinii is scum Let's pick up where we left of, shall we? YoungMinii puts a big FoS on Palmar for his play, and this FoS resolves into a full on scum read, and vote: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 22:20 youngminii wrote: Palmar your posts have been extremely disgusting and illogical up to this point. You recent posts have been better but your accusation against sinani is completely misguided. He decided to go for a policy (inactive) lynch and all his actions thus far have been in line with that line of reasoning. You on the other hand, have repeatedly posted crap after crap until finally posting a flawed 'analysis' on someone who already has a vote for the same reason you posted AND the person who seems like the easiest to lynch, based on the town's 'policy'. While I am remaining suspicious of sinani and steff for their inactivity, you have repeatedly shown throughout your posts that you are one of the following: A. Scum B. Unfit for town Also I'm unvoting Steff because he's put in an effort, as little as it may be. You still have to step it up Steff. ##Unvote Stefftastic ##Vote Palmar Notice the resolve. He seems pretty sure of his posting. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 01:21 youngminii wrote: ... what is this really I'm gunning for you because your reasoning/play has been scummy so far, it doesn't have anything to do with whether I agree or disagree with your 'methods'. Also, less belittlement please. Basically your post had no real content. You reaffirm your belief that lynching inactives is stupid, yet you never disagreed with anyone about it earlier. There are plenty of people other than sinani advocating the inactive lynch, including myself, yet you don't even consider this in your crusade against sinani. Then you go on and post a bunch of bullshit for the sake of content. No, you are definitely the scummiest in this town. Yup. He's pretty sure that Palmar is scum. This suspicion continues on till day two, when he makes this remark: On June 07 2011 11:31 youngminii wrote: This also means that I'm completely backing off Palmar as I find his day 1 actions weird (not really scummy not really townie) considering Mataza is town. What? Not really scummy? That's certainly not the impression that you give with your posts. How does mataza's flip make you think that he is also town? There was never a real opinion that Palmar is scum. Sure, YM might have thought that he looked scummy, but the fact that he dropped his number one suspect becaues someone else flipped town is really suspicious. Not to mention the fact that on day one, (when he was still certain that Palmar was scum) he never suggested that we lynch Palmar instead of Sinani!? Why, when you have such a solid read, do you not put that person in as an alterinative lynch? Now, on to my next point: Mataza. I was confused by the mafia's choice in killing Mataza so I went looking for a reason. There are a couple of possibilites: They thought he was Blue, he was suspicious of someone innocent so they wanted to set up that innocent person, or he was on to someone who was scum, so they wanted to silence him. The first one is a no go. I've looked at his posts several times and nothing about them makes me think that he was blue. The second one is a no go too: It's been almost 48hrs, and no one has mentioned the fact that mataza was convinced that YM was scum. If they had meant to use this to cast suspicion on someone, they would have done it by now. The third one makes sense though. On June 06 2011 20:34 Mataza wrote: youngminii Like I said up there, It´s easy for scum to defend a mislynched guy on the slightest provocation. It´s the equivalent of a bus, only that you don´t have to lose a member of scumteam for it. Also me cooperating with Palmar to do what we(he) did is about the most retarded thing I ever heard. Assuming everyone else is dumb is what I do, too, but not to that extent. It's not finished, but it's what I had. Can anyone confirm the reason why there were two kills? If you are vig and you shot, PLEASE claim. It will help me clear up a bunch of things, and it doesn't matter if the mafia know who you are if you've already shot. Cubedin is also a strange addition to a game entitled "surprisingly normal mini mafia. I want to hear what you guys think of the DT claiming at this point. Personally, I think that he should stay hidden till later in the day if it becomes clear that we are not on the right track. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
I've tried my best to scum hunt and it's failed. I'll keep trying but you everyone need to step it up as well. | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
there were two kills because i was vigi - took out youngminii - thought he were scum need to do some thinking - scum are obviously going under the radar here. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
We know there was a vigi shot, stefftastiq claimed it and no one is counterclaiming, so I'm gonna assume he is green. I know myself is green and I have no clue about kavdragon. We're in lynch or lose situation, but 3 out of the 7 targets remaining are scum. I think those three are kavdragon, prplhz and unichan. prplhz has contributed nothing to the game, there will be a full analysis coming up at some point during this day. But I don't think anyone can argue he has done something even remotely useful for town. ##Vote prplhz | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
as for the vigishot - I went for the one I thought were scum - so bascily I just removed one of the more suspicious leaving us with all the "town players" left - crazy shit! @Kav Can anyone confirm the reason why there were two kills? If you are vig and you shot, PLEASE claim. It will help me clear up a bunch of things, and it doesn't matter if the mafia know who you are if you've already shot. What bunch of thing would this clear? As I see it it would probably give you a sense that there is no cop/detective in this game, since the veteran already is dead and the vigi is another blue role - and its probably not three of them - since its a 12player game - I guess this would be usefull information for scum. | ||
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