Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia III - Page 24

On June 11 2011 01:50 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh god I'm an idiot. I need to talk it over with some people before I do anything drastic, but I think that I can explain a lot.

On June 11 2011 03:36 JeeJee wrote:
How does kav keep getting away with his bullshit? Someone fill me in, because I've read the thread twice now and I don't understand how people just ignore it.

Let's do a quick recap:

Last minute vote switching, every single day. (+3 maficoins)10 minutes before deadline on day 1, 4 hours before deadline on day 2. Instigating the shittiest bandwagon on OriginalName with terrible reasoning, getting 4 people to agree with it, while ducking out at the very end so as to not be held responsible.(+8 maficoins)

Keeps suggesting shitty plans like a one person medic list (+2 maficoins), or ignoring basic arithmetic while stating vigi must hit tonight (+2 maficoins). Both of these later "excused" by the wonderful argument of "oops I'm dumb". And everybody just nods their heads, despite the fact that we needlessly lost another townie. (+4 maficoins)

Minii was this townie, dead yet again indirectly due to Kav, and his parting opinion of kav? "If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. His last suspicions are here.

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Yeah you do that. Talk it over with some people indeed. Kav's gotta be trolling now. I give you props though, you're pretty good at getting people to die while not seeming directly related to their deaths. I wonder what rabbit you'll pull out this time.

On June 11 2011 03:36 JeeJee wrote:
I wonder what rabbit you'll pull out this time.

On June 11 2011 04:48 Kavdragon wrote:
Ah crap. Sorry, forgot to preview.




If you will recall, the first day was a "sinani vs ON" lynch. If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch? Day two was not a "last minute vote switch" at all, and I explained my reasoning several times since then. I wanted to see how the town reacted to OriginalName being lynched. I tried to move the vote off of him late in the day, but it was obvious that he was town at that point.


I suggested a one person medic plan because I was almost certain that there was no medic (which is looking pretty much confirmed), and it was the best thing I could do to save someone who I was sure was town. (It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town).


Yeah, and the guy who was shot night 1? He was gunning for Youngminii heavily up to the end. Confirmed townie doesn't mean that they are right. You should know better than that.


Um, I'm getting coaching from people, so yes, I will talk it over with them. And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum.

The strength of these arguments are uncharacteristically weak. I may have been wrong about some of my reads, but I've played for the town all game. Are you wearing rose colored glasses?

If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch?

It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town

And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum.

On June 11 2011 23:18 prplhz wrote:
Alright sorry I've been so inactive but I just got home to my parents and then there was this MSL finals thing and then I had to do some gardening ..

Anyway, what the hell? Two votes for me already without any arguments at all? And a vote for Kavdragon where the main argument is a funny picture? People need to post some content right now. This is our best chance at hitting a scum since we're at 4v3, we have 60% chance to hit scum (since none of us can vote for ourselves, and stefftastiq is obviously town).


First, what the hell Kavdragon. I think that in the beginning you played very well and townie like, good arguments no hesitation no fluff or spam, but since neither sinani206 nor OriginalName, who were up for lynch on day1, were scum a scum was free to play as townie like as he could. Then you tried to get unichan lynched on day2 but more on that later. What you have been doing since night2 though has been quite bad.

First you insist on vigi shooting that night or else we would not survive. Even after both stefftastiq, me and youngminii point out that vigi can shoot later, you insist that he has to shoot that night. In the end vigi shot night2 and that was extremely good for scum. If vigi had waited until night3 it would be 4v3, which would give him 50% chance to shoot a scum, instead of 57% chance .. it is pure math. But this was a freebie for a scum since it is pure math and your defense can easily be math-noob or WIFOM. And why do I think that your defense might be WIFOM?

Because you have used WIFOM extensively for your defense so far.

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So palpable that you even feel the need to point it out yourself. WIFOM is no way to defend yourself, just explain your actions and get on with it. Only way anybody would have to resort to WIFOM is if they do not have any reasons for their actions (noob defense), or if they don't want to disclose their actions (scum motives). JeeJee's original accusations were "gimmicky" and, as you point out yourself, actually weak. Then why do you use up all the time you have to defend yourself against terrible accusations instead quickly explaining your actions and getting to scumhunting? Are you more occupied with surviving that with nailing scum, even at lylo?

This brings me to my next point; your vote against me. Even though you have cooked up great analysis in the past you decide to bandwagon for this one. No reasons, just following Palmar's accusations, which does not have any arguments either. What the hell? How do you expect me to defend myself against nothing? Or maybe it would be better if I didn't defend myself?

I really thought that you were townie from day1 but this is just crazy weird behavior from you who seemed to have played consistently well.

Since this is lylo I think that it should be possible for everybody to make accusations against three guys. I'm gonna say that this JeeJee v Kavdragon thing looks a bit orchestrated, bad arguments for and even worse counter arguments, the whole thing ending up with a picture of a god damn rabbit getting pulled out of a hat. The whole thing looks like a farce to me, orchestrated so that scum has something to talk about today instead of being afraid to say something because this is getting dangerous. I think that the three scum are Kavdragon, JeeJee, and the last one is definitely not stefftastiq and I doubt that it is unichan either even though I was on his back after day2. This leaves Palmar and dementrio.

Also, people get the hell posting and you absolutely have to be online tonight at deadline. Scum could do a last minute vote switch, it only takes one of us with a bad vote. I am going to need the help of three of you stefftastiq, unichan, Palmar, and dementrio because I seriously doubt that JeeJee is gonna keep his vote on Kavdragon if the guy is up for lynch when we're approaching deadline.

##Vote Kavdragon

Sorry dude but you are playing terrible and I doubt that Ace coached you to use WIFOM as defense when you are townie. And I want to stress that this is not a final vote, I will be here until deadline and I want to see some proper defense Kavdragon. Now, get posting people, get posting right the hell now, we may have a lot of work to do.