EPTAnd BM has yet to explain why his plan was any good at all, unless I missed it somewhere?
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
And BM has yet to explain why his plan was any good at all, unless I missed it somewhere? | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On August 06 2010 17:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Dude, just shut up and let us kill you already before I figure out who the sixth and final member of your team is. Y'all have been so obvious about this when you should have just kept your cool and waited for people to change their joke votes. Instead, you freaked out with well over 24 hours left in the day and only a few votes on your precious comedian. If anyone legit claims to him you should be permanently banned from TL mafia. I'm not really joking although I am too kind hearted to follow through on this. Feel free to spam his inbox with joke claims, though, it could distract him from coordinating what they do next. In fact, I encourage this. ##vote Bill Murray Lol best post of the last 5 pages. Sorry BM I think a mass roleclaim is a terrible idea. I never like the idea in any setup for mafia since it really can mess up the flow of the game. Not to mention people (especially townies) have this odd obsession with lying. Let's review your last game that you hosted.... people were lying left and right about their roles. It definitely hurt the town as we had to focus on the liars and much of the attention was drawn off of suspicious players, like BC who was actually mafia. I'm a bigger advocate of town circles and mob mentality. It's not that I think this system works better in all instances, but it keeps the mafia on their toes for much of the game. If we all roleclaim honestly then they have a perfect list of all of the roles in the game. I'm not going to vote for you, yet. However I will reconsider if the day turns out a little differently. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
My Big Ninja Post Okay, I skimmed through XXII In XXII there were 4 assassins The first assassin got killed on the first day due to inactivity The 2nd and Third assassins got killed by other assassins on night 2. So from older games, the assassin's biggest danger are other assassins On August 06 2010 12:08 DarthThienAn wrote: Hmm. I agree that Ninjas can be very powerful. But I don't really like your breakdown. Ally with mafia: This requires the Ninja to know who the mafia are. It also requires the Ninja to reveal who he is, which is retarded, because that makes him vulnerable, and his objective is to SURVIVE. So this is almost impossible, unless the Ninja takes a plunge based on his instincts... which is pretty silly. Let's assume that he finds a mafia through rolecheck though (talking about later in the game now). The Ninja still has no protection. He has no way of guaranteeing that the mafia won't kill him during the night. And he can't post after death, so all the power to the mafia there. There's no collateral, no guarantee. And mafia will never know who a ninja is, except through a DT, which is also a ridiculous situation unless the DT claims to the GF after a check. So it only really makes sense for the Ninja to PM the mafia member. But why would he do that? The mafia use up his night hits, and then kill him, if they want to. Not to mention, the Ninja just wants to the kill the other ninjas. He doesn't care about town/mafia dying. Ally with Town: this is a bit more likely, but still requires the ninja to know those people. But again, why would a ninja be interested in doing this? He just wants to kill the other ninjas. Unless he gets in contact with DT, there is no benefit for him. Ninja caught by DT: Are you kidding me? lol. People reading, this is an example of a bad plan. The ninja is a VIGILANTE. He can easily kill the DT if the DT threatens to expose him. ... -_- I agree with your Mafia Analysis, but not your Town analysis. The Ninja could get Medic protection, and DT help. Just remember, the Ninja obviously won't just say 'hullo' to a random townie. The Ninja would try to find a DT/Medic As for your Ninja caught by DT analysis, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. The Ninja caught by DT plan isn't one about working together, it's about the DT keeping the Ninja on a short least Here's how it would work out 1) DT identifies Ninja 2) DT contacts Ninja through a mouth, threatens Ninja. Says "You better work with me or I'm exposing you the day after you don't" Ninja could respond by 1) Killing the Mouth, but then he would get killed himself loosing the game 2) Feeding the DT incorrect information. But the DT could just ask for Night Kills 3) Following the DT and hope the other ninjas would die soon On August 06 2010 12:01 Divinek wrote: or they could just play normally and not listen to anyone and do as their role meant to do it would be ridiculous for them to try and coordinate with town, obviously easy to do with mafia once they found them but...why would they do this? it'd be a perfectly dick way to ruin a game They could play normally, however, it's more of a game of how much risk is the ninja willing to take. A little risk could make the Ninja invincible with another pair of eyes. As for ruining the game. On July 29 2010 13:12 flamewheel wrote: 9. Play to win. Here's my diagram + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/laststandb/Ninja.gif) NOTES: On August 06 2010 19:19 youngminii wrote: Uh oh, someone made a huge blunder. Pyrr is very likely a ninja. Assume that Pyrr is a Ninja, and there is only 3 in the town. Pyrr will be killed night one, so there will be only 2 Ninjas. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Their's no way we can keep track of who would lie. And I would assume that Blue Roles would lie to. Cause a role claim is a great way to give a 'who to hit' list to the mafia. So I would assume the final count of the role-claim would be 30 townies, not very helpful | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On August 06 2010 22:29 LSB wrote: And I am against Roleclaim. Their's no way we can keep track of who would lie. And I would assume that Blue Roles would lie to. Cause a role claim is a great way to give a 'who to hit' list to the mafia. So I would assume the final count of the role-claim would be 30 townies, not very helpful Actually the opposite is true. If the town agrees to a roleclaim it's the duty of both green and blue roles to truthfully roleclaim. We did this in the Harry Potter mafia; however we were only allowed to give names, which caused trouble for "iffy" characters who needed to be checked every day despite having about 3 DT's alive, one being the godfather. In reality, the blues are likely to tell the truth, but there's a lot of greens to account for. And some of the people currently playing have either witnessed this or have done it themselves. And I don't like doing that when Chezinu and the brown army is playing. That's just asking for trouble. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
So I came up with a plan... Not even saying it is a good one but it was late last night and I couldn't sleep. So I will throw it out on the stoop and see if the cat licks it up. + Show Spoiler + It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Plan, Please Review It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
1. Scum is the person that claims 2. Eventually we might be suspicious of the claimer and a DT checks him - perfect opportunity for the framer 3. Who would we bus to take hits? Dont mind new ideas but I suggest we leave plans until after 1 night of actions has taken place What I think of BM: I honestly don't think he's serious about his mass roleclaim plan. Probably just a ploy to seem radical - the more shit he stirs up within town the less likely scum will hit him because it seems like he's playing a stupid townie role (scum loves to keep these people). I think BM is very likely to live for a couple of days, but if things start going downhill he should be somewhere on the top of our hitlists | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Not entirely sure it would work, in truth I havent actually read the post Bill made yet, but just wanted to say Mafia typically hate the idea of town mass roleclaiming, it forces them into a difficult position where they have to be very careful about what they post//claim. Although the fact this is a closed setup (role amounts arn't revealed) makes a mass claim strategy flawed from the outset. Also be dubious of people attempting to cast extreme suspicion on others this early in the game, A good example of such would be: "I think BM is very likely to live for a couple of days, but if things start going downhill he should be somewhere on the top of our hitlists" | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:00 zeks wrote: Couple things come to mind: 1. Scum is the person that claims 2. Eventually we might be suspicious of the claimer and a DT checks him - perfect opportunity for the framer 3. Who would we bus to take hits? Dont mind new ideas but I suggest we leave plans until after 1 night of actions has taken place What I think of BM: I honestly don't think he's serious about his mass roleclaim plan. Probably just a ploy to seem radical - the more shit he stirs up within town the less likely scum will hit him because it seems like he's playing a stupid townie role (scum loves to keep these people). I think BM is very likely to live for a couple of days, but if things start going downhill he should be somewhere on the top of our hitlists If scum claims great, we traded the vigis possible shot for a deffinate lynch - good for town The benefit of using the vig is that he can prove himself by shooting someone. If that night there are 4 hits and the person we asked to be shot gets hit as well he is 100% confirmed. if there are 3 hits then it doesn't mean he is guilty he is instead still questionable and either we now have a red or we forced the mafia to hold a shot because they want to discredit our confirmed townie. Really the danger I see is that there are 0 or 2 vigis, if this was another role, say doctor then I would be worried about 2 legits, but it isn't it is vig, no way town has 2 of them, especially with so many claimants. I would be more worried that we might not have a vig at all, but I think that is unlikely since the town probably need it to help balance out the many other KP roles currently in this game. Plus it is named wannabe batman!! I personally don't think the host would come up with such lovingly crafted descriptions and names for roles and then decline to have even 1 of them in a 30 person game. There is one and only one vig this game I would give it a 98% probability (hey that is 10% higher than I gave bum being town last game  ) | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:06 chaoser wrote: Though I guess the vigi/ninja could kill someone and then claim it. If there's a counterclaim then what? do we kill the first one to claim or the second one to claim? Either way I guess we find a mafia? I think we weigh both and then decide, if we say which gets lynched first mafia will either just wait very late or try to claim immediately. Yeah if it nets mafia a 50% is way better than our current odds. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:20 rastaban wrote: If scum claims great, we traded the vigis possible shot for a deffinate lynch - good for town The benefit of using the vig is that he can prove himself by shooting someone. If that night there are 4 hits and the person we asked to be shot gets hit as well he is 100% confirmed. if there are 3 hits then it doesn't mean he is guilty he is instead still questionable and either we now have a red or we forced the mafia to hold a shot because they want to discredit our confirmed townie. Really the danger I see is that there are 0 or 2 vigis, if this was another role, say doctor then I would be worried about 2 legits, but it isn't it is vig, no way town has 2 of them, especially with so many claimants. I would be more worried that we might not have a vig at all, but I think that is unlikely since the town probably need it to help balance out the many other KP roles currently in this game. Plus it is named wannabe batman!! I personally don't think the host would come up with such lovingly crafted descriptions and names for roles and then decline to have even 1 of them in a 30 person game. There is one and only one vig this game I would give it a 98% probability (hey that is 10% higher than I gave bum being town last game )We could bypass the whole, mafia withheld a vote thing and just make it a 1v1 claim/counterclaim situation if vigi kills someone first and then claims it. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 06 2010 23:26 chaoser wrote: Cause if vigi comes out now, he could just be roleblocked and then framed. And if it's a mafia then they can say they were roleblocked/framed too so there's no real way we can check him. I like your plan above! but just so we realize, once he does claim it will not be possible to ever frame or investigate him from that point on without working with the busdriver since you will be getting whoever the busdriver targets results. Of course the busdriver will be randomly targeting people to be on the receiving end, hopefully mafia people in case they take the gamble. If the DT and Busdriver do get together the the DT could check the busdrivers target but that would probably be too late in the game. | ||
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