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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
1. Hi! I've never played mafia but I understand the game! Also we need a first post to get people talking! 2. Uh, guys, we've been talking about lynching lurkers day 1, but what if it turns out there's no lurkers to lynch? 3. Let's not act like we're starting anew and everyone's back to zero, guys, sc2system has still done crazy stuff we shouldn't forget. If saying "we" a bunch of times is all it takes to be a leader now... | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 25 2012 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd also like to see Virtu post some more. Came up with analysis on RoF, sc2system and Ninja4ever on one post but haven't seen too much from him other then that. Hasn't really given his opinion on anything that could be considered controversial, just on lurkers/bad posters which are easy prey. I'm slightly more inactive than I'd like to be, I joined after GMarshal said that we most likely wouldn't start until after the end of MLG under the presumption that this would be the case, but as it's started before, MLG has taken up most of my attention so far. To be honest I haven't said much else other than my views on Ninja4ever, sc2system and RoF because there hasn't been much else going on. Almost the entirety of day 1 was focused on sc2system/RoF, and the discussion since has been weak/substantial cases at best, because EVERYONE has been focused on sc2system/RoF cases. Anything made since has just been "I notice you've not posted on anything other than X, why is this?". As has been already mentioned, if we have a vig shot available then I suggest dropping it on sc2system. He has to die, but to waste a lynch on him when he could well just be a terrible town player would be depressing. Considering I personally have been more inactive than I'd have liked, checking through the filters, my posts are lager and more substantial than... ##FoS: Gossemerr Will post more analysis in a few hours as Grubby Naniwa is about to start, but if you check his filter there is alarmingly low content/quality of posts. He did start the RoF bandwagon rolling, however it was an obvious play to make, RoF's posting was obviously sub par, and what better way for a mafia to hide than to start a lynch on a weak townie? The rest of the posts are one liners, or are following other people's thoughts shortly after they've posted them, basically agreeing. As said will expand the case asap. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
Now for the stuff on me. On March 25 2012 07:23 BlueyD wrote: Gossemerr, you didn't actually have a case on Rise even though you dropped the first vote on him. Your reason for voting for him was a misunderstanding of what he said. He said I probably wasn't mafia in both sentences, but you misread him. So I'm not sure why you bring up being the first to call for Rise of Fenix when your logic was bad and when it turns out he was green, no less. Sigh. My original voting for him was to get him to talk, and we have already established that I misread the other part. I should not have used the word "case" in retrospect. Second part: do you not read the whole thread? I brought it up because: On March 25 2012 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just checked the filters of everyone and noticed Gossemerr has posted almost no content either. First post was a joke vote on Mementoss, after that he's just gone after Rise of Fenix and sc2system as well. I'd like to see more content by him. . Trying to say I did not and have not jumped on any bandwagon. Next, On March 25 2012 08:51 virtu wrote: As has been already mentioned, if we have a vig shot available then I suggest dropping it on sc2system. He has to die, but to waste a lynch on him when he could well just be a terrible town player would be depressing. Considering I personally have been more inactive than I'd have liked, checking through the filters, my posts are lager and more substantial than... ##FoS: Gossemerr Will post more analysis in a few hours as Grubby Naniwa is about to start, but if you check his filter there is alarmingly low content/quality of posts. He did start the RoF bandwagon rolling, however it was an obvious play to make, RoF's posting was obviously sub par, and what better way for a mafia to hide than to start a lynch on a weak townie? The rest of the posts are one liners, or are following other people's thoughts shortly after they've posted them, basically agreeing. As said will expand the case asap. Since when does the length of the posts mean you are more pro-town or less scummy if they are long? Longer posts just fill up the thread with clutter and can waste time. I'm not going to make a long drawn-out post if I do not have a solid case to back it up. Also, since when is stating some that is both true and obvious bad, if it has not been mentioned already. And seriously now look at your filter, but within the whole thread. Basically all you have posted is three little discussions on Fenix, sc2system, and ninja. The part about ninja is nothing at all, and you state this. As for the other two, they were already in debate way before you stepped in to add you two cents. As a matter of fact I have already talked about both of them. In conclusion, I don't see how I am suspicious at all, let alone enough to warrant a FoS. Anyways: @ the peeps asking the vig to shoot sc2system. I agree that he will probably be lynched if he does not step up his game, but let the vig decide based on his / her own decisions in my opinion. Either of you could easily be mafia wanting the shot wasted. Just my two cents. Also I would like to point this out this: On March 25 2012 08:51 virtu wrote: As has been already mentioned, if we have a vig shot available then I suggest dropping it on sc2system. He has to die, but to waste a lynch on him when he could well just be a terrible town player would be depressing. Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that our vig should shoot someone who is possibly not a mafia? You would ACTUALLY want to waste a mafia kill on a bad town player? I think sc2system is playing either bad scum or town right now, as my older posts suggest, but why does he HAVE to die right now? Maybe Day 2 he will actually contribute. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/R3Rzm.jpg) The crew knew they had to sleep sometime. They were all unbelievably tired after the 48 hour gauntlet of adrenaline, grief, and paranoia. So reluctantly they all bedded down for the night, the Time Anchor's humming still in their ears. *BANG* The gunshot and following clatter woke the lab like a thunderclap. The crew sat up, blinking the sleep from their eyes, and stared in horror at the grisly scene before them. sc2system lay on the ground in front of the door to the bathroom, shot in the back. Blood came from his mouth as well as his torso by the time that the crew surrounded him. Gasping his last, painful, breaths of life, sc2system looked up at the remaining crew with a look of hurt and confusion and asked, "Why?..." After sc2system passed, the crew examined the gun used to kill him. It had been thrown away immediately after the shot. There were no fingerprints, and the gun had been wrapped in plastic to avoid any gunpowder residue. Clearly the weapon was not going to give them further clues. It was about this time that one of the scientists noticed that froggynoddy was missing. They eventually found him in the lab pantry, his throat slit, lying in a pool of blood and covered in potato chips. It seemed that the crew's glutton had taken to compulsive eating to deal with his stress, and had paid dearly. sc2system the Vanilla Townie has been killed! froggynoddy the Vanilla Townie has been killed! It is now day 2. You have roughly 48 hours to find someone to lynch. The deadline is 03:00 GMT (+00:00), that means that votes at 11:59:59 will be counted, but votes at and after 12:00:00 will not. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
Had a few other suspects I wanted to go for but considered every one of them too suspicious, and Day 2 would probably be too focused on sc2system if he didn't die this night. Didn't have the balls to go for people just based on a mild suspicion, but I felt I had to prove my innocence to prevent a mislynch this day given my dumb slip on day1. Got my eye on a few people which I'll elaborate on in the morning. Revealing since I'm now effectively a townie and this way I can give some guidance. | ||
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
On the froggynoddy hit: I don't know what to make of this. He was off my radar. He was neither the most scummy-looking, nor the most active or inactive, nor the most helpful. I can't read anything from this hit. On Artanis's vigi claim: I'll see whether anyone counterclaims then decide whether to believe you or not. Tomorrow is MLG finals, I'll be at a barcraft all day, should be back at night though. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
At least, sc2system was relatively worthless, so it should be a bit easier to go scumhunting. BlueyD, i kind of think the point of the hit on froggynoddy is in essence exactly what you said. he was off the radar, and its hard to read anything from the hit. I will go into his filter today, but i really dont expect to find much, unless its based on WIFOM. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 25 2012 17:10 Nova_Terra wrote: Yeah, If you are the vig artanis you should have waited. We could have had a free mafia death at some point. At least, sc2system was relatively worthless, so it should be a bit easier to go scumhunting. It sucks he flips green but I think we'd have had a really hard time convincing people to lynch someone other than him tonight. Making statements like he enjoys confusing people, and voting for no lynch on day1 when everyone agreed that's probably the worst possible town outcome? As you said, should make it easier to scumhunt now. Onto Gossemerr... + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 15:06 Gossemerr wrote: Three hours is not cause for alarm at the start of the game ha. Lets get this rolling. ##Vote: Mementoss Only because you outplayed us so hard last game. Prove you are town this time! Almost as pointless a post as RoF/sc2system were making, I think we can all agree. You then push RoF, quite early on, because of one post, and your case exists of One line. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 05:33 Gossemerr wrote: AND, I was right (and so was Nova)! But sadly, we didn't keep pushing ha. If we are going to lynch a lurker lets put some pressure now and not waste time. So far Ninja4ever and Rise Of Fenix of yet to post anything really; however, Ninja did say he was going to post later. ##Unvote: Mementoss ##Vote: Rise Of Fenix I don't understand his only post. He contradicts himself by saving that BlueyD was probably mafia, but thinks he is town in the next sentence? Suspicious to me. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
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Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
Even if someone counterclaim the vigshot, I'd be more inclined to believe artanis, just by how fast he claimed vig, meaning he was probably waiting for the night post to come up. If he was waiting for it, it's because he knew there was going to be a double kill, which only the real vig could know. To me, artanis is close to 100 % green, and would still be around 80 if someone else claimed the hit. I don't even see why a mafia would want to claim vig anyway, seeing how much attention it would draw to him when the real one speak up. I'll try to catch up with the previous pages and look for suspicious behavior tonight, when I have more time. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On March 25 2012 14:08 BlueyD wrote: On Artanis's vigi claim: I'll see whether anyone counterclaims then decide whether to believe you or not. If you look at the roles, you'll see it's impossible that both hits were Mafia, meaning there has to be a Vigilante in play. For Mafia to claim a vigilante hit would be extremely risky given the original vig is now just a townie and can counterclaim, leading the town to trade 1 for 1 at worst. Mafia will never do this, so I'm confirmed town unless you stretch your logic reaaaalllllly thinly. The flip side to this is that I'm pretty much guaranteed to die Night 2, but at least you can be sure that I've got the town's best interests in mind for this day. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
When looking for Mafia, you don't look for obvious 'scumtells'. Mafia isn't just going to have a little sign that says "hey! I'm mafia, please lynch me!", but you look for what they contribute to town. As Mafia you want to say as little as possible with as many words as possible, and Seviro has been the person I've seen do this the most. Nova_Terra spams a lot as well, but he gives his opinion on everything, and he didn't instantly try to throw me under the bus when my situation looked bad, and kept thinking for himself. One thing that does speak for Seviro is that he didn't instantly throw RoF under the bus, but given all the other suspects at the time (other than Ninja4ever but he was never in any real harm) were town, that doesn't need to mean much. He also used a chainsaw argument against me after I accused him, voting me for little reason seemingly only because I voted on him and some minor suspicions. Regardless of alignment, that's bad. Michaelthe played a very strange game so far, basically making lists and giving general advice as well as asking for it, plus making the lurkers post up. All townie things, but also things that were already being done by other people. An easy way to get townie cred where it could be misplaced. Posted some analysis on Fenix explaining why he thought the lynch was bad, but went along with lynching RoF anyway. Could it be that he knew he was innocent from the start? Perhaps. Then comes my 'scum slip' which he suddenly jumps on. This makes no sense given his previous game style which was very distant and analytical. It's a 180 degree turn in how he plays which is very rare. It could be that he thought my 'scum slip' was so significant that it warranted this change of style, but I find it very suspicious at the least. Gossemerr opened in a joking way, then creates the RoF lynch train based on RoF's post making not much sense. This play I think is fine if he was town too though. Jumps from RoF to sc2system a bit too easily too after RoF was confirmed town. It also makes sense that one Mafia would want to start the bandwagons while the other two 'reluctantly' post to lynch him in the end so that the mafia aren't connected as much. This however is more of a general mafia argument then specifically for Gossemerr. Accuses sc2system again for playing dumb when it's become pretty apparent that he's just not a very good townie. Uses chainsaw argument when I accuse him which is a super scummy thing to do (if you don't know, a chainsaw argument is accusing the accuser rather than defending yourself). This is something Seviro used earlier too. It's true that he started the bandwagon on RoF. What I also find weird is that he first calls for sc2system to get killed, then doesn't want the vigilante to kill sc2system after all. Given he flipped town that does make Gossemerr less suspicious, but he said it so late that it was unlikely that any vigilante would still change their target so I'm not sure it matters too much. Reading over this again though I'd say Gossemerr is the weakest case of the three. To all of you out there, please analyze these three people well. To Seviro, michaelthe and Gossemerr; refute these points and analyze the others to make your case that you are indeed townie. The best way to defend yourself is to contribute. Given that I'm going to be the only one in this game you can trust, you'll know I'm not trying to redirect you onto players that aren't scum. Let's see if we can turn this around. I've got a lot of work I need to do today though so I can't guarantee I can react to any posts quickly. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
1. The focus is off sc2system, we can actually focus on scum-hunting and hopefully get one. 2. Mafia easily coulda killed artanis, hey I never woulda expected FroggyNoddy, then vig is wasted 3. We gain information from the vig claim, that Artanis is in fact a town player if the claim is correct. Im not saying we can confirm off the claim, but its a good tidbit. I need to look into FroggyNoddys death now, probably not too much posting later in day as barcraft. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On March 25 2012 23:23 Mementoss wrote: 3. We gain information from the vig claim, that Artanis is in fact a town player if the claim is correct. Im not saying we can confirm off the claim, but its a good tidbit. There is absolutely no possibility that I'm not Vigilante, since it's a 1 for 1 trade for Mafia at best. If there's anyone out there that would like to claim responsibility for the vig hit, please do so. It'd make absolutely no sense for Mafia to make a 1 for 1 trade. | ||
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