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Oh man, you can get lost in this wiki...I just lost an hour reading about tournaments, and greenseers, and roberts rebellion...
So many interesting theories, I'm honestly not sure what to make of little Aegon myself. We'll see.
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There we go then, 1999, before he even knew he was going to make the series into seven books and the very story arc was planned to be different with some later books including multi year gaps between them. Easily dismissed in light of aDwD.
So we are left with her as very highly resistant to the point of near immunity to fire with the being engulfed with Drogon's flames only to get her hair burned off again. Possibly also some blisters, the cause of those is unclear.
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She was never engulfed by Drogon's flames, you should re-read that chapter.
If she died here, Dany wondered, would the horse god of the Dothraki part the grass and claim her for his starry khalasar, so she might ride the nightlands beside her sun-and-stars? Or would the angry gods of Ghis send their harpies to seize her soul and drag her down to torment? Drogon roared full in her face, his breath hot enough to blister skin.
His breath was hot enough to blister her skin, he didn't hit her with fire. Even later it says:
His long serpentine neck bent like an archer’s bow. With a hisssssss, he spat black fire down at her. Dany darted underneath the flames, swinging the whip and shouting, “No, no, no. Get DOWN!”
And eventually:
Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms
So resistant? possibly. Immune? nope. If Drogon had wanted to seriously roast her, he could and would have.
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On June 20 2012 17:41 moopie wrote:She was never engulfed by Drogon's flames, you should re-read that chapter. Show nested quote +If she died here, Dany wondered, would the horse god of the Dothraki part the grass and claim her for his starry khalasar, so she might ride the nightlands beside her sun-and-stars? Or would the angry gods of Ghis send their harpies to seize her soul and drag her down to torment? Drogon roared full in her face, his breath hot enough to blister skin. His breath was hot enough to blister her skin, he didn't hit her with fire. Even later it says: Show nested quote +His long serpentine neck bent like an archer’s bow. With a hisssssss, he spat black fire down at her. Dany darted underneath the flames, swinging the whip and shouting, “No, no, no. Get DOWN!” And eventually: Show nested quote +Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms So resistant? possibly. Immune? nope. If Drogon had wanted to seriously roast her, he could and would have.
fire != dragonfire.
It said dragonfire can melt stone!
So immune to fire but not to dragonfire. On the other hand. Its fantasy.
She is immune or net whenever the story needs it....
And its only dany. Was hard to read her part in the books without falling asleep anyways. You could remove her completely out to the books and nothing would change. It would make the book even better.
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IIRC there also was some mad Targ ruler obsessed with wildfire that ended up lighting himself on it and promptly died.
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On June 20 2012 20:03 Ender985 wrote:IIRC there also was some mad Targ ruler obsessed with wildfire that ended up lighting himself on it and promptly died.
Not a ruler, and he did not light himself on fire, he actually drank wildfire thinking it would turn him into a dragon. That was prince Aerion Targaryen, who was the son of Maekar I, who is the king that preceded Aegon V(Egg).
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On June 20 2012 17:48 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 17:41 moopie wrote:She was never engulfed by Drogon's flames, you should re-read that chapter. If she died here, Dany wondered, would the horse god of the Dothraki part the grass and claim her for his starry khalasar, so she might ride the nightlands beside her sun-and-stars? Or would the angry gods of Ghis send their harpies to seize her soul and drag her down to torment? Drogon roared full in her face, his breath hot enough to blister skin. His breath was hot enough to blister her skin, he didn't hit her with fire. Even later it says: His long serpentine neck bent like an archer’s bow. With a hisssssss, he spat black fire down at her. Dany darted underneath the flames, swinging the whip and shouting, “No, no, no. Get DOWN!” And eventually: Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms So resistant? possibly. Immune? nope. If Drogon had wanted to seriously roast her, he could and would have. fire != dragonfire. It said dragonfire can melt stone! So immune to fire but not to dragonfire. On the other hand. Its fantasy. She is immune or net whenever the story needs it.... And its only dany. Was hard to read her part in the books without falling asleep anyways. You could remove her completely out to the books and nothing would change. It would make the book even better.
So that means that event is also useless as proof that she is immune to fire? If you can't use the fact she got burnt by being close to dragonfire to prove she is not immune to fire/heat, I don't know how you can possibly use it as evidence that she is immune to it. I don't remember any other scene where something similar happens (besides the pyre), so it should be safe to assume GRRM's word still holds?
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On June 21 2012 02:25 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 17:48 skeldark wrote:On June 20 2012 17:41 moopie wrote:She was never engulfed by Drogon's flames, you should re-read that chapter. If she died here, Dany wondered, would the horse god of the Dothraki part the grass and claim her for his starry khalasar, so she might ride the nightlands beside her sun-and-stars? Or would the angry gods of Ghis send their harpies to seize her soul and drag her down to torment? Drogon roared full in her face, his breath hot enough to blister skin. His breath was hot enough to blister her skin, he didn't hit her with fire. Even later it says: His long serpentine neck bent like an archer’s bow. With a hisssssss, he spat black fire down at her. Dany darted underneath the flames, swinging the whip and shouting, “No, no, no. Get DOWN!” And eventually: Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms So resistant? possibly. Immune? nope. If Drogon had wanted to seriously roast her, he could and would have. fire != dragonfire. It said dragonfire can melt stone! So immune to fire but not to dragonfire. On the other hand. Its fantasy. She is immune or net whenever the story needs it.... And its only dany. Was hard to read her part in the books without falling asleep anyways. You could remove her completely out to the books and nothing would change. It would make the book even better. So that means that event is also useless as proof that she is immune to fire? If you can't use the fact she got burnt by being close to dragonfire to prove she is not immune to fire/heat, I don't know how you can possibly use it as evidence that she is immune to it. I don't remember any other scene where something similar happens (besides the pyre), so it should be safe to assume GRRM's word still holds?
in the series she holds the super heated Dragon eggs and nothing happens to her hands while the serving girl gets burns. But i dont actually remember anymore if that happened in the books.
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Oh, as in "oooooohhhhhhh...", the distinction that breath=!fire never occurred to me. I always saw breath and fire as synonymous when talking about a dragon breathing on someone.
Dragon fire should burn her easily then. There really isn't enough to go on regarding the difference between dragon fire and other fire. We know one is a lot hotter and has some degree of magical property but nothing precise. With the pit instance shot down there is no blatant instance of her "not a fuck given that day"ing to substantial fire exposure other than the original blood magic ritual. I don't think it can be assumed then that she is too highly resistant to even normal fire. GRRM's old statement holds, though there is still some suggestion that her heat tolerance surpasses Targaryen normal in light of the hair and most of her clothes burning off not causing major burns.
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BOOYA
just finished the books. Pretty much spent all day most days reading them.
It's like, shit gets real in the first book and calms down a bit and then shit GETS REAL and calms down a bit more BUT THEN SHIT JUST GOT REAL SON
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I can't wait to see fully grown Drogon in ADWD season 7 :D
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Hooooooly fuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I'm in the middle of book 5, and I just realized that Reek was Theon O_O
My jaw litterally dropped. I'm really slow and usually don't think much while reading. I'm just taking in the action, so once they said it was him I was completely fucking stunned. Holy moly.
I don't think I've been in such awe in a long time.
Damn son, he got some harsh punishment. "My name is Reek it rhymes with freak."
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Didn't he say something about being iron born and a prince in his first chapter as Reek?
Drogon isn't anywhere near fully grown in book 5. There doesn't seem to be such a thing as fully grown for dragons in ASoIaF unless you just threw a benchmark down arbitrarily somewhere. "Once it's big enough to be an unstoppable superweapon." perhaps, or "as big as one would be after 200 years of unrestricted growth."
Awkwardly it's very unclear how big he is at that point as the one number given makes no sense in context with the rest of the information. A 20 foot wingspan would not suggest something whose neck Dany can climb on top of and ride unless these dragons have, contrary to their long serpentine descriptions, very stout builds. That would also about require that their flight is magically assisted, which seems unlikely.
The other less precise measure is head size, where the two smaller dragons were described as having heads the size of horses. This does not help much other than to support the "wtf..." from the other measure as if Drogon's head is meaningfully larger than a horse's then a 20 foot wingspan is very weird.
This is too generous as that dragon would have no trouble lifting a horse, but seems to be the popular depiction:
![[image loading]](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/e/e3/Drogon_in_Daznak%27s_Pit.jpg)
Maybe he meant the length of either wing? That would still seem slightly conservative, but at least it is that much 'better'. Unlikely though since he didn't actually use the word wingspan but rather specifically said "tip to tip". Maybe he meant yards or meters?
I guess they are just funny looking when "adolescent" sized?
I personally throw out the 20 foot thing as a brain fart that made it past editing and imagine something about the size/shape/build of a Skyrim dragon, or like that image, but scaled down ~20%. Alduin but less spikey.
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Amazing pic. Exactly how I pictured it.
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On June 23 2012 17:41 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Didn't he say something about being iron born and a prince in his first chapter as Reek?
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Yeah I was reading during like severe lack of sleep. He doesn't say prince specifically, but I think he says he's high born iron islander.
I didn't think twice about it. Still it was awesome having that experience when you've read like 3 chapters about him and his pitiful existence.
It's one of the things you don't get a lot from the ice and fire books, as you get hinted about it so much ahead of time that once it happens there's no suprise and you just kind of shrug your shoulders and keep on reading. With this one though I was completely unprepared. Best part of the book for me so far ^^
Great tip: Read when tired.
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I really feel like reading all the books again, there's so much I haven't yet fully understood, especially about the history of Westeros before the events of Game of Thrones.
Does anyone has a time-line that captures every major event since Aegon's Landing?
I've also just started reading "Tales of Dunk and Egg" and I'm starting to suspect that Egg, who is in fact also called Aegon, might be Aegon V, though I have trouble placing the series at a point in time in Westeros History. Given that Arlan seems to have seen the last dragon, and Tyrion having said something about how the last dragon has died about hundred years ago, it might be anything around 180-220 after Aegon's Landing.
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i have come to a conclusion as to why i did not like the latest 2 books in comparison to the first 3.
magic.
the story is heading too much towards magic being the central conflict and resolution. the first 3 books were more about middle ages political strife and military warfare. magic was just on the fringes to sort of spook the people and create a surreal mystery on the horizon. now magic is popping up everywhere and is creating problems that do not mesh with how the story was unfolding in the first 3 books.
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I disagree. Yes, there's more magic, but it's still being introduced and explained very, very slowly -- in my opinion, at a very good pace. It's not overwhelming, and though ultimately it feels like the in the end it will be the true crutch, the events leading up to that end are largely character-driven without magic in most cases.
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