EPTCan you tell me who you would have voted for if you had the chance to vote?
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Can you tell me who you would have voted for if you had the chance to vote? | ||
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Mementoss
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kitaman27
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OtoshimonoU
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Analysis by blubbdavid In this first Analysis, I want to cover the two most suspected subjects Sufficiency and OtoshimonoU. 1. Sufficiency The posting of this guy is bad. Like, really really bad. If there is something this guy is good in, then it has to be his ability to prematurely make accusations. On March 01 2012 13:15 Sufficiency wrote: I actually FoS gunman103 right now for suggesting no RL. He accuses gunman for suggesting no RL. But actually, gunman is not opposed to a RL, he just wants to choose a better alternative. So, although gunman is not acting scummy, Sufficiency is really fast in blaming him. Further: On March 01 2012 13:17 Sufficiency wrote: I also FoS OtoshimonoU for being a compromiser. Pretty fast, huh? Then, after being called out, instead of becoming defensive and trying to explain his stance, he just refers to his earlier writings. Which are as useful as a cameltoe in a Zombie Apocalypse. Furthermore, his next posts are: On March 02 2012 17:16 Sufficiency wrote: How long have you been playing mafia, Maverick32x? Useless. Fluffy. Scummy. But then: On March 02 2012 17:31 Sufficiency wrote: OtoshimonoU: don't you find me scummy? I did fos you without explaining much. Why would he want to bring attention to himself? As scum? This made me start to doubt… Let’s continue: On March 03 2012 03:03 Sufficiency wrote: Anyway, the way I see it now, Beorn, OtoshimonoU, Rainmaker5 are either indifferent towns or scums. I was pointing FoS'es like crazy everywhere and these three failed to make any responses. I am especially happy about a beorn lynch because he said almost nothing so far (in case we actually want to do a lynch today). Surely, sometimes vanilla towners can be very quiet, but if he is allowed to live for too long, in lylo situations we may hammer wrong because he has only made one post so far. I actually think Tiystus is town. The way he defended NL was pretty towntelling for me. Proposing a Beorn lynch. (who, btw is my predecessor) Where are his suspicions against gunman? Looks like he loses interest in people as fast as he accuses them. Now is this information sufficient (pun totally intended) to accuse him as scum? I have my doubts, because of this post: OtoshimonoU: don't you find me scummy? I did fos you without explaining much. Why the hell does he ask him if he’s scummy? Is this the way scum behaves, especially at the first day, where every word can be used against you? Imo, Sufficiency is just outright bad. Everyone who has read the newbie guides sees that Suff doesn’t act like a newb scum. Newb scum try to blend in and don’t want to get attention. Suff is the opposite. He’s literally screaming “Lynch me!”. But it has to be good to be true. It’s too obvious. Would scum really do this? My conclusion is: Suff is just bad and doesn’t care too much. So: Sufficiency, if you don’t want to step up on the gallows, then please shape up your posting. At the moment I am trying to find some goodwill for you. But if you continue to hurt town like this, you will lose it fast. Faster than you could accuse someone. 2. OtoshimonoU He looks like a bandwagoner: On March 01 2012 12:21 OtoshimonoU wrote: I don't like the idea of first day lynch. It's either hit or miss and towns are the disadvantage when it comes to number. 3/4 town 1/4 mafia. In the first day I doubt that many will even post, casting the suspicions on them already. He opposes a Lynch. Which isn’t unsensible, but like we all know, for some reason lynching is better because we can get information. On March 01 2012 12:37 OtoshimonoU wrote: Or maybe I confused his words with the mafia guide... Anyway, if everyone is willing to random lynch I will too, Clear bandwagoning. He would cast aside his own views if the majority has other views than him. Otoshi catches the attention of some. So he tries to defend himself with this bigworded post: On March 02 2012 11:04 OtoshimonoU wrote: Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs. I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. On the first glance his theory of mafia being bigmouthed may have a point. He is suspecting Maverick, who has indeed contributed much to this thread now. But if Maverick was scum, would he really make a big post about probabilities only to influence innocent townies? Would mafia make such a big effort? Furthermore, the other guy he has been suspecting, mementoss, has flipped town. So Otoshi’s theory of two scums covering eachother has lost its base and its meaning. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. Why would Maverick need to do that? It’s obvious that he’s assuming that he’s town himself, so no need for some words. Imo, his post was a ditch attempt to evade getting lynched, by blaming others and not explaining his behavior. Although he was on the verge of getting lynched, he didn’t try to explain his behavior. On March 03 2012 12:45 OtoshimonoU wrote: Hi Sbrubbles! For Mr. Trackd00r, I must say that I cannot answer your accusations because I cannot understand what exactly your question is and it's been getting on my nerves and I will refuse to quote them. I won't think negatively of anyone that wants to bandwagon and not think for themselves. So basing on the posts I have made I could either be an extremely dumb mafia someone who would be so transparent to give out such easy suspicion or a random townie that was trying to get a feel of the game and gets bombarded with accusation and receive more accusations for defending myself. I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling. "I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today" "##FoS: Rainmaker5" "I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency" "##Vote: OtoshimonoU" Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts. I don't understand Tiystus either. Hopefully someone can find what we're looking for. And Sufficiency, you're just confused and lost your head. None of your posts making sense, but I don't find you scummy.(jk) Now look at this post, it’s a real goldmine. I won't think negatively of anyone that wants to bandwagon and not think for themselves. Dude, you have been one of the biggest bandwaggoner so far. -.-‘ townie that was trying to get a feel of the game and gets bombarded with accusation and receive more accusations for defending myself. You never tried to defend yourself. The rest of his post consists of accusing two further posters. The difference between Sufficiency and him is that Suff didn’t try to blend in at all. It was his luck that some people didn’t vote and so therefore his demise was postponed. For now I will cast my vote on him, because he is my scum read number one. If you are able to explain something, then maybe I will overthink it, but till then, OtoshimonoU, I will have my watchful eyes on you. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I'm leaving for class right now and won't be back home for about another 9ish hours... I'll try to check every so often on breaks to stay up to date on the thread. Lets try to actually get a vote this time? I'm still thinking OtoshimonU- it provoked a response from Mafia and there seems to be sufficient reasons behind it... | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
Ok, now that mementoss has flipped green, lets analyze and try to point what motivations lead to his death. The most likely possibility are these: - OtoshimonU is scum. Mafia took advantage of a no lynch last day to shoot one of his more consistent prosecutors, which was mementoss. Surely, there were (and currently are) many other players who are suspecting Oto, but in these case mafia got rid of the most active. - Mementoss was the most active player in the thread. So, in order to keep the activity low, mafia killed him. In this case, finding the scum who did this move will be a more thrilling and difficult task. Anyways, this situation really feels like it's day 1. With 3 replacements and a no-lynch, progress will be difficult. What still makes my head puke is that Oto dodged not only mine, but other players accusations again. I would like to hear about Rainmaker, Pablols and Willz and their stance at least in sufficiency or Oto. Any other possibilities are welcome though. @ Blubb. I'm glad you posted. I agree with your view on sufficiency. He is probably a town player who is trying to play by his own. At least, he doesn't seem to have a dangerous agenda to town, so it's not something to worry about at the moment. | ||
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Pablols
Chile517 Posts
Even though I don't really suspect Oto, I think that since Mementoss got killed targeting him is a good option. And @blubbdavid Wow amazing post. can't wait to hear more reads from you. | ||
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Pablols
Chile517 Posts
On March 04 2012 14:13 Sufficiency wrote: To Pablols: Can you tell me who you would have voted for if you had the chance to vote? I would've voted for either you or mementoss | ||
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blubbdavid
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
On March 04 2012 22:36 blubbdavid wrote: Analysis by blubbdavid In this first Analysis, I want to cover the two most suspected subjects Sufficiency and OtoshimonoU. 2. OtoshimonoU He looks like a bandwagoner: On March 01 2012 12:21 OtoshimonoU wrote: I don't like the idea of first day lynch. It's either hit or miss and towns are the disadvantage when it comes to number. 3/4 town 1/4 mafia. In the first day I doubt that many will even post, casting the suspicions on them already. He opposes a Lynch. Which isn’t unsensible, but like we all know, for some reason lynching is better because we can get information. On March 01 2012 12:37 OtoshimonoU wrote: Or maybe I confused his words with the mafia guide... Anyway, if everyone is willing to random lynch I will too, Clear bandwagoning. He would cast aside his own views if the majority has other views than him. Otoshi catches the attention of some. So he tries to defend himself with this bigworded post: On March 02 2012 11:04 OtoshimonoU wrote: Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs. I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. On the first glance his theory of mafia being bigmouthed may have a point. He is suspecting Maverick, who has indeed contributed much to this thread now. But if Maverick was scum, would he really make a big post about probabilities only to influence innocent townies? Would mafia make such a big effort? Furthermore, the other guy he has been suspecting, mementoss, has flipped town. So Otoshi’s theory of two scums covering eachother has lost its base and its meaning. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. Why would Maverick need to do that? It’s obvious that he’s assuming that he’s town himself, so no need for some words. Imo, his post was a ditch attempt to evade getting lynched, by blaming others and not explaining his behavior. Although he was on the verge of getting lynched, he didn’t try to explain his behavior. On March 03 2012 12:45 OtoshimonoU wrote: Hi Sbrubbles! For Mr. Trackd00r, I must say that I cannot answer your accusations because I cannot understand what exactly your question is and it's been getting on my nerves and I will refuse to quote them. I won't think negatively of anyone that wants to bandwagon and not think for themselves. So basing on the posts I have made I could either be an extremely dumb mafia someone who would be so transparent to give out such easy suspicion or a random townie that was trying to get a feel of the game and gets bombarded with accusation and receive more accusations for defending myself. I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling. "I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today" "##FoS: Rainmaker5" "I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency" "##Vote: OtoshimonoU" Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts. I don't understand Tiystus either. Hopefully someone can find what we're looking for. And Sufficiency, you're just confused and lost your head. None of your posts making sense, but I don't find you scummy.(jk) Now look at this post, it’s a real goldmine. I won't think negatively of anyone that wants to bandwagon and not think for themselves. Dude, you have been one of the biggest bandwaggoner so far. -.-‘ townie that was trying to get a feel of the game and gets bombarded with accusation and receive more accusations for defending myself. You never tried to defend yourself. The rest of his post consists of accusing two further posters. The difference between Sufficiency and him is that Suff didn’t try to blend in at all. It was his luck that some people didn’t vote and so therefore his demise was postponed. For now I will cast my vote on him, because he is my scum read number one. If you are able to explain something, then maybe I will overthink it, but till then, OtoshimonoU, I will have my watchful eyes on you. After reading the latest responses, I'm now a bit baffled. The majority opinion is that either Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU are scum, and that those are our two choices for a lynch. So here are my thoughts on them. My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS? My opinion on Sufficiency: Looking through his filter, he also seems pretty apathetic. Mostly one line responses, nothing substantial, hasn't posted on his reads at all either. He originally targets OtoshimonoU and then later switches to beorn1 a lurker who has since been replaced. Both of these are easy decisions to make to seem town, but he hasn't commented on anyone else. Still highly suspicious behavior, and I'd be more willing to lynch Sufficiency first than to stay on the majority opinion of OtoshimonoU. If we have 48 hours for this day cycle, we need to give time for the accused to start responding, especially to the new replacements, so we can get better/updated reads. We have to lynch someone to try and gain more information, and having two easy suspects is fine for that, but I'd be leery that this is what mafia wants, us to mis-lynch while being directed by someone who is masquerading as one of the most active town posters. Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency. | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
And don't expect my next analysis too soon, it takes time to write so much shit. | ||
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OtoshimonoU
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Maverick32x
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
My current read is that beorn1/blubdavid is town. I also have a good guess at his role. There were 7 votes on oto yesterday and oto didn't make a move to defend himself much. This seems to me like a vanilla town behaviour. If I were him, and I were almost certain to get lynched, I would claim a PR and fish out the real PR. He didn't do that. To me, this suggests that he is either really a vanilla town or he is a poorly played scum. In case he is scum then I wouldn't be too worried. He is on everyone's radar so if he does something scummy again we will catch him. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 05 2012 05:31 Sufficiency wrote: Now that we are on Day 2 I'll be writing some opinion soon (no, I think Day 1 analysis is utter garbage, which is why I was more willing to lynch beorn1. But it seems that blubdavid is a good player...). My current read is that beorn1/blubdavid is town. I also have a good guess at his role. There were 7 votes on oto yesterday and oto didn't make a move to defend himself much. This seems to me like a vanilla town behaviour. If I were him, and I were almost certain to get lynched, I would claim a PR and fish out the real PR. He didn't do that. To me, this suggests that he is either really a vanilla town or he is a poorly played scum. In case he is scum then I wouldn't be too worried. He is on everyone's radar so if he does something scummy again we will catch him. ^ I meant that If I were him and I was scum, and I were almost certain to get lynched, I would claim a PR and fish out the real PR. dat slip. Hahaha. | ||
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
On March 05 2012 05:23 Maverick32x wrote: How does voting for yourself make you innocent? I'm giving my life to the town  . | ||
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
On March 05 2012 05:35 Sufficiency wrote: ^ I meant that If I were him and I was scum, and I were almost certain to get lynched, I would claim a PR and fish out the real PR. dat slip. Hahaha. What does PR mean btw? | ||
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