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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Also im concerned about the fate of our game... | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.rangercentral.com/database/1992_zyuranger/images/zyu-vi-palace.jpg) Night 1 Nobody was lynched. Please make sure to submit all night actions to myself and EchelonTee or they may not count. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 03 2012 10:40 Sbrubbles wrote: If a lot of people (in this case, 5) don't vote, what happens (given that voting is mandatory)? They will receive a warning and be asked if they wish to be subbed out. If I don't get a response, I'll try to replace them or modkill if replacements aren't available. A second warning results in a modkill as well. | ||
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling. "I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today" "##FoS: Rainmaker5" "I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency" "##Vote: OtoshimonoU" Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts. I don't understand Tiystus either. Hopefully someone can find what we're looking for. And Sufficiency, you're just confused and lost your head. None of your posts making sense, but I don't find you scummy.(jk) | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Even among those 4 that didn't bother to vote, we also have 1 person who is brand new.. and another one who is just ridiculous (sufficiency).... Where do we even go from here? I honestly don't know what there is to discuss at this point? I mean, I guess we can keep pointing fingers.. but that really doesn't get us closer to anything... I guess for the sake of defending myself, @Sbrubbles- feel free to check my limited post history outside of this thread.. I'm very long winded and analytically in my posts... As for the chart, I see the mixup... I was looking at it as the town that are influenced by the mafia.. so I took my base number as the townies.. and you took it as everyone... It really doesn't matter what the numbers are really.. it was just designed to show that RL was a bad idea.. and that in reality a no lynch would be better for us and minimize our loses... so its the concept thats important.. 2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. That is one way of looking at it.. This is my thought process though- Lets say all 3 mafia players are being active at that point in the game. And one of them says "lets lynch the lurkers". Clearly the 3 mafia are aware that they aren't even being considered at this point as potential suspects.... so wouldn't they be okay with this idea? Especially with the amount of low posts at the time- This idea just seems bad. I wonder if someone who has actual contributed and agreed and disagreed with people would be better.. if we got a hit on them, it would be easy to follow them around to other people. As opposed to if we hit a lurker.. okay. we got a mafia.... but now what? And if we got a townie.. we actually accomplished nothing at all. This is obviously my view on this generalized idea- which makes me a suspect.. how? 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? Yep, I actually acknowledged that as well... And I've accused multiple people at this point to stir up conversations in preparation of the vote. 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. I don't have any other way to possibly convey the information that is occurring... You come off extremely arrogant in all of these points with an attitude of "I know more than you" and its really off putting to me. This of course has no indication of town/scum- just something that makes it hard to agree with you. As for the "Mementoss and Maverick" connection... That just doesn't add up... we both are taking a logical approach and are active.. it just makes sense that the active people we be talking to each other.... Its good to see that our newest addition is involved however, so we will see what happens... | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 03 2012 12:45 OtoshimonoU wrote: Hi Sbrubbles! For Mr. Trackd00r, I must say that I cannot answer your accusations because I cannot understand what exactly your question is and it's been getting on my nerves and I will refuse to quote them. I won't think negatively of anyone that wants to bandwagon and not think for themselves. So basing on the posts I have made I could either be an extremely dumb mafia someone who would be so transparent to give out such easy suspicion or a random townie that was trying to get a feel of the game and gets bombarded with accusation and receive more accusations for defending myself. I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling. "I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today" "##FoS: Rainmaker5" "I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency" "##Vote: OtoshimonoU" Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts. I don't understand Tiystus either. Hopefully someone can find what we're looking for. And Sufficiency, you're just confused and lost your head. None of your posts making sense, but I don't find you scummy.(jk) I'm glad you have an iffy feeling about me bro. There's not much to be worried about considering you didn't even vote. You realize that the only power the town has as a whole is lynching right? When you show you want to put forth the effort to participate in this game, then I'll put in the effort to respond to your garbage accusations. I'll be back tomorrow, when I'm less pissed off. | ||
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Rainmaker5
United States1027 Posts
the trick to playing town is to be honest and not mad, I made a post where I read the entire thread and made opinions while reading it. I'd love to see everyone's opinions on everyone. basically the point of mafia in my real life experience is to clear all scum. So don't get butthurt when people are suspicious. Especially early on we can't get reads. But as town we need to fucking lynch someone, just to clear out people. I've said it once and I'll say it again- if town doesn't lynch they lose. If you're town and you want to win post, and try to get reads. Otoshi is still #1 on my list because he refuses to do either except defend himself in a trashy way, but whatever I'll talk more when I'm sober. CHEERS DUDES. | ||
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Rainmaker5
United States1027 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Bubbles I understand your reasoning for the non-lynch but at least lynching OtoshmonoU woulda lynched a non-vote/someone suspicious and woulda sparked some active and productive discussion for today. As it stands, what do we have to discuss today? Who the mafia will kill? If they can even make a decision on who to kill? There is no more information to go on than during the day and I doubt the posting activity will rise. No-lynch is a shit situation cause were still at square 1 when it comes to finding out scum. @rainmaker, there has been a couple opinions on your "analysis" post. Half the analysis was not analysis at all and just wishy washy thoughts and didn't deserve to be there. You would have been better off doing a 1-2 person analysis more in depth with related quotes etc etc. But hey, at least you voted. That seems towny, but so many people didn't vote that it just gives me a general lazy vibe. So its not really a good lead at all. @OtoshmonoU be happy your alive. If your town at least start acting like it, and getting some posting done. Mafia target me tonight? Good luck, if I go down I think its pretty obvious through my filter connections that can be easily made to pick out who is mafia. (The people I have targetted and actively pressured throughout the thread) --> Come at me bro /cynical pissed off post | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
1) If Otoshi ends up being mafia, there may be mafia among Pablols, Tiystus and Beorn. Then again, they may just have been townies who just forgot about the voting, thought the case was weak (like me) or refused to bandwagon. 2) If Otoshi ends up being town, we can be almost 100% sure Pablols, Tiystus, and Beorn are also town. Then again, they may have been mafia who just forgot about the voting or the mafia among them decided to not vote for Otoshi in order to build trust with the town. Still, I find both these alternatives very unlikely because a) being mafia (or a town PR, for that matter) is more exiting, so if you're gonna lurk you're gonna do it on purpose and sure as hell you aren't gonna miss a mandatory vote, risking a modkill and b) the mafia avoiding a free lynching to build up town cred is a weak idea at this point of the game. My suggestion for the detective (if we have one) is to investigate this night: 1) Otoshi, 2) Beorn (maybe, one of the other lurkers) or 3) Maverick, who still sounds suspicious to me. Next night you can claim your role even if he's inno unless, of course, our doc (if we have one) gets killed in the night. My suggestion for the vigilante (if we have one) is refrain from shooting Otoshi until next night. You may want to shoot Beorn or one of the other lurkers (sufficiency comes to mind), but there's a good chance you'll be hitting a bad townie, which is bad but not as horrible as shooting someone who is active. Anyone else would be risky imho. As for Maverick's post: + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 13:25 Maverick32x wrote: That is one way of looking at it.. This is my thought process though- Lets say all 3 mafia players are being active at that point in the game. And one of them says "lets lynch the lurkers". Clearly the 3 mafia are aware that they aren't even being considered at this point as potential suspects.... so wouldn't they be okay with this idea? Especially with the amount of low posts at the time- This idea just seems bad. I wonder if someone who has actual contributed and agreed and disagreed with people would be better.. if we got a hit on them, it would be easy to follow them around to other people. As opposed to if we hit a lurker.. okay. we got a mafia.... but now what? And if we got a townie.. we actually accomplished nothing at all. This is obviously my view on this generalized idea- which makes me a suspect.. how? The point is that lurking is a great strategy for the mafia and we have to keep it from being so. When lurking the mafia doesn't have to expose themselves, have the same voting rights as everyone else and don't leave a trail we can follow later. Townies shouldn't lurk and townies who do shouldn't be tolerated because they give a shield behind which the lurking mafia can stay safe. + Show Spoiler + Yep, I actually acknowledged that as well... And I've accused multiple people at this point to stir up conversations in preparation of the vote. I'm not calling attention to you sound/not sounding "bloodthirsty". I'm calling out your defensiveness about a simple word choice that no one was making a reference to (except for memetoss in one post) + Show Spoiler + I don't have any other way to possibly convey the information that is occurring... You come off extremely arrogant in all of these points with an attitude of "I know more than you" and its really off putting to me. This of course has no indication of town/scum- just something that makes it hard to agree with you. Focus on your reads/topic at hand, not on summarizing who said what about whom and who dissagreed/agreed with whom over what. If we had everyone's opinion about everyone that would be a whopping 121 opinions, in other words, worthless. Everyone here who is taking this slightly seriously probably has their own small word document/spreadsheet with everyone else's name on it. + Show Spoiler + As for the "Mementoss and Maverick" connection... That just doesn't add up... we both are taking a logical approach and are active.. it just makes sense that the active people we be talking to each other.... Its good to see that our newest addition is involved however, so we will see what happens... I agree that you're both probably not together. But one of you could be leading the other with good reads on bad townies instead of good reads on mafia. That sorta thing can happen on day 1 when the only thing people can do is point fingers at each other. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
Anyways, maybe we should wait until the host/mods tell us if there are any players who will be replaced or modkilled. It's very frustrating to play with 1/3 players inactive. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Hi willz. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though. The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched. The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried. | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
Nothing really major I can contribute, have to dig through the whole thread and read up. Will post later. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote: Ok, my suspicion is that this game is going to go on. In that case we need to move the conversation over to discussion on a way to solve the lurking problem we have, and start working towards a new lynch target. My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though. The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched. The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried. This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia. OtoshmonoU - Still feeling strong on him for the reasons stated previously in the thread. (check filter as there a couple long posts about OtoshmonoU in general. This also makes me suspicisious of him, On March 03 2012 12:45 OtoshimonoU wrote: I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling. "I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today" "##FoS: Rainmaker5" "I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency" "##Vote: OtoshimonoU" Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts. As I stated he attacks Dimmu, who I strongly believe shows town. He also attacks other people similar to dimmuklok that produce thought out posts, and actively post. Such as Mementoss, and Maverick. Then he FoS, Sufficiency to blend in andor to get the attention off himself. But I do not want a no lynch again. That being said my nuumber 2 is still Sufficiency. He makes no sense and is either a very confused townie, or a spammy derailing style mafia. Other than that I would go with beorne just because of his 1 post count. Everyone should post there FoS right now and we can move on from there, THIS HELPS THE TOWN. IF YOU ARE TOWN MAKE A GOOD POST, think it through. Anyone who doesn`t do this can be considered suspicious mafia or just ignoring the game completely. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On March 04 2012 08:17 kitaman27 wrote: blubbdavid has replaced Beorn1. Say hi! Kitaman27 I would like to take this time to thank you for putting in all this effort to keep the game going and working even though almost half the roster was inactive. You`re doign a great job running/moderating the game keep it up. | ||
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