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seiferoth10
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
On August 11 2012 14:37 Blennd wrote: This thread has plenty examples of what now? You paranoid trying-way-too-hard-to-be-cool hypercynics are the vast majority in this thread lol. I think in order to be paranoid you have to first be scared. Im just making observations. | ||
Zahir
United States947 Posts
On August 11 2012 14:54 KnightwhoSaysNI wrote: This seems like bullshit, it seems like a desperation ploy by Wikileaks to invigorate its users more then anything else. Theres no actual information anywhere that I can find, no leaked documents anywhere at all, and with something this big you would send it to every fucking person ever and start up the revolution. Theres even a website for trapwire for fucks sake. This reminds me alot of War of the World's and when it first aired on radio. When the crazy conspiracy fucks on China daily don't even touch it.. I don't really understand your objection here. Are you saying you don't believe, based on the emails, leak and website descriptions that they are using government owned cameras and monitoring systems to collect and store mass amounts of data about people and, among other things, sell their information to companies like coca cola? or are you saying that you do believe it but it isn't important. Just want to be clear on that, because your tone seems to imply that if the leak IS Correct it would be significant enough to justify "starting up the revolution"... But for some Reason also based on your tone I feel like when and if the leak is actually confirmed you will switch tactics and claim it is not important. Just want to clarify before I go digging up info for what is potentially a lost cause. | ||
xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On August 11 2012 16:04 seiferoth10 wrote: It's like people actually thought those black globes were just solid black plastic spheres before this "leak". Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised no one has pulled out the Ben Franklin quote, that's usually a go-to for a conspiracy nut who doesn't have any other compelling argument. Ah, the famous: " Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both " ? . Yea, you'll always get a few of those. | ||
archonOOid
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
... so is this the reason why a security clearance investigation costs a couple g's... probably not | ||
Zahir
United States947 Posts
On August 11 2012 16:20 MorningMusume11 wrote: If this was the case, the people who process security clearances have the easiest jobs ever. Just turn on imba country map hack, type in person's name and see if they're a threat or not. ... so is this the reason why a security clearance investigation costs a couple g's... probably not Perhaps in a few decades your imba hack can become a reality. Right now it's still in development stage. | ||
TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On August 11 2012 16:25 Zahir wrote: Perhaps in a few decades your imba hack can become a reality. Right now it's still in development stage. haha poor american citizens. closed beta testers to skynet. (not being offensive meant as sarcasm/humor ) | ||
xM(Z
Romania5268 Posts
a random tries to become someone. later on, he gets few tapes showed in his face about stuff he did in his back yard or whatever and it could/will be the end. he's a pawn now. he wont even get payed to shut it. | ||
Epithet
United States840 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:52 PanzerKing wrote: I don't see anything in your post that makes this any less of a "crazy conspiracy" pile of bullshit. So there's some e-mails by a private company who consults with firms on political activism. So they wrote a paragraph on their website, probably as part of some application for a grant/contract, that vaguely references collating information and predicting future events. I have no idea what the fuck that e-mail is supposed to show. That coca-cola is asking about PETA activisits? This is news? This is a surprise to someone? This is meaningful? Where is the smoking gun here? I see absolutely nothing that even raises an eyebrow. Alright so the links I linked weren't very damning as you say. I've found more. Hopefully you'll raise and some other people will raise an eyebrow. There's several quotes and I'll provide links for each one. This took a while to read them all. -------- Original Message -------- SourceSubject: Fighting Grassroots Terrorism: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:09:34 -0400 From: Michael Maness To: Fred Burton Kudos to Scott for another insightful article. As you know, this is exactly the message we've been pushing for almost seven years now -- and gaining some traction. TrapWire SAR reports are fed directly/automatically into the National SAR Initiative (NSI) that Scott mentions...as well as the FBI's eGuardian system if/when there's confirmed nexus to terrorism or major crimes (which is happening frequently). Additionally, our networks in LA, Vegas and DC all support See Something Say Something (S4 as I call it), with TrapWire actually acting as the analytic tool behind the scenes. Pentagon, Ft. Meade and USMC (which is pushing to get TrapWire deployed globally for their bases) all feed their own military-centric S4 type programs. ("Eagle Eyes" at Quantico for instance). Quote Two The surveillance detection was identified by the TrapWire surveillance sourcesystem. I'm getting the details on the recons and m.o. The matter is very dicey. Pls don't pass this around. Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Burton [mailto:burton@stratfor.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:33 PM To: secure@stratfor.com Subject: LA Terror Plot (not for pub - pls do not forward) According to a very good source responsible for domestic surveillance operations, an extremely serious al Qaeda terror plot has been uncovered targeting a financial institution, an entertainment center and a government office bldg in Los Angeles. The same terrorist surveillance team conducted pre-operational surveillance of all three sites. The group is currently under watch.... Remember that bit on the news for those bullets fired at the White House? Well they used tripwire to find the guy for that. Quote Three [alpha] TrapWire on Shots fired at White House Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT Email-ID 188257 Date 2011-11-16 21:23:38 From burton@stratfor.com To alpha@stratfor.com List-Name alpha@stratfor.com DC Metro ran traces through TrapWire soon as the incident happened. National Park Police have approached us for a proposal to cover all of the Mall area -- in addition to the Fed and Military sites already covered. Our network there is growing almost daily. ---------------------------------------------------------- A bullet hit an exterior window of the White House but was stopped by ballistic glass, and the Secret Service was investigating Wednesday whether the incident is connected to shots fired nearby last week. An additional round of ammunition was found on the White House exterior. The bullets were found Tuesday morning. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/how-did-someone-fire-a-shot-at-the-white-house/article2237847/ Quote Four Re: More for the blog sourceReleased on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT Email-ID 375734 Date 2010-09-22 23:11:23 From burton@stratfor.com To aaron.pigeon@stratfor.com You think we hit the mark for the blog world? I think so. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron C. Pigeon" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:35:31 -0500 To: Fred Burton Subject: Re: More for the blog posted http://fredburton.posterous.com/new-surveillance-tool-for-interrupting-terror On 9/22/10 1:47 PM, Fred Burton wrote: This week, 500 surveillance cameras were activated on the NYC subway system to focus on pre-operational terrorist surveillance. The surveillance technology is also operational on high-value targets (HVTs) in DC, Las Vegas, Los Angeles and London and is called TrapWire (www.abraxasapps.com). TrapWire is one of the most innovative tools developed since 9-11 to help mitigate terrorist threats. From a protective intelligence perspective, TrapWire does have the ability to share information on suspicious events or suspects between cities. Operationally, the ability to identify hostile surveillance at one target set -- in multiple cities -- can be used to neutralize terror threats by interrupting the attack cycle. Meaning, a suspect conducting surveillance of the NYC subway can also be spotted by TrapWire conducting similar activity at the DC subway, connecting the infamous dots. An additional benefit of TrapWire is that the system can also be used to help "walk back the cat" after an attack to identify terrorist suspects and modus operandi. I can also see the tool being very effective in identifying general street crime. Quote Five Re: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX sourceReleased on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT Email-ID 384066 Date 2010-05-14 19:46:41 From burton@stratfor.com To Blake.Sawyer@txdps.state.tx.us Thx Should review TrapWire video to see if he has walked around the Mansion or Capital complex... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sawyer, Blake" Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:44:16 -0500 To: Subject: RE: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX nut From: Fred Burton [mailto:burton@stratfor.com] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:44 PM To: Sawyer, Blake Subject: Re: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX Suspect a jihadi or nut? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sawyer, Blake" Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:36:38 -0500 To: Fred Burton Subject: FW: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TXDPSIntelCenter To: TXDPSIntelCenter; Duncan, Clifford; Fischer, Heidi; Ivy, Brenda; LeCrone, Jeremy; McInnis, Charles; Nunez, Patricia; Pagel, Lori; Quinney, Lexi; Sanders, Wanda; Schwab, Stacey; Stolle, Phyllis; Subia, Patty; Wilks, Donald; Armistead, David; Avant, Dale; Baker, David; Beckworth, Lamar; Bensman, Todd; Bodisch, Robert; Colley, Jack; Daniel Hodge ; Fulton, Billy; Gonzalez, Luis; Grigsby, Aaron; Groves, Lee; Hearn, Skylor; Jones, Jaeson; Jones, John; Leal, Tony (Chief Ranger's); McCraw, Steven; Meiners, Stephen; Nabors, Billy; Ortiz, Jose; Rable, Brad; Rodriguez, Jose III (Reg.Commander); Ruocco, Thomas; Theresa Whelan ; Webster, Jack; Wilson, L C; C.C. Magruder ; Chris Dishman ; David Trachtenberg ; Dolieslager, Montgomery; Fowler, Melvin; John Hall ; Kimberly Shirley ; Larry McLendon ; Melissa Hodgson ; Monty Dolieslager ; Ray, Lisa; Inabinet, Mark; Sungino, Victoria; Herchek, Amy; Randel, Sheila; Becker, Teresa; Buchanan, Alice; Burroughs, Susan; Cistone, Cassandra; Eason, Tara; Fabry, Kristin; Ging, Teresa; Schramm, Melanie; Barrera, Cassi; Carranza, Edna; Elizondo, Juanita; Giesalhart, Sheila; Howard, Joanne; Lewis, Karen; Lewis, Stella; Lindsay, Pam; Martinez, Rosanne; McNiel, Becky; Montedonico, Carol; Moore, Dianne; Palin, Lucinda; Peterson, Lauren; Zuniga, Victor; Bredl, JoAnn; Fisher, Erika; Fowler, Courtney; Hyatt, Julie; Masch, Carol; Muna, Ashley; Nesby, Vicky; O'Connor, Ryan; Pruitt, Norma; Ralston, Kerry; Rodriguez, Cathy; Thomas, Bridgette; Wiggins, Lisa; Crick, Paula; Hall, Tony; Hendley, Karin; Howell, Beth; Kendrick, Sandra; Schlaffer, Amanda; Brewster, Sandra; Daza, Jason; Holdren, Jodie; Marshall, Jeff; Unnasch, Adam; Berns, Aaron; Brantley, Brenda; Darity, Tina; Fafrak, Susan; Frerich, Kayla; Miller, Kendra; Oetting, Javier; O'Hern, Emily; Randecker, Tracy; Salinas, Leara; Taylor, Katy; Truong, Hanh; Vancil, Amanda; Borden, Carrie; Burse, Melinda; Cable, Rebecca; Coomes, Ann; Ferrales, Cherye; Gaxiola, Maggie; Girdner, Aaron; Schamber, Bradley; Sosa, Armando; Walsh, Charlene; Ward, Marion; Welborn, Diann; Britsch, Anastasia; Flores, Eva (Narcotics); Fowler, Cindy; Kinnibrugh, Darla; Miears, Jennifer; Mitchel, Keith; Thomas, Jullia; Torri, Thomas; Williams, Kathryn Cc: Ray, Lisa; Grigsby, Aaron; Alexis, Alvin; Dendy, Kirby; Morales, Jose (Major); Thompson, Tim; Pratt, Christopher Sent: Fri May 14 11:44:46 2010 Subject: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX Immediate update from JTTF. There is an EXPLOSIVE COMPONENT found in the package. Subject has made explosive devices in the past and he is IN CUSTODY. JTTF is continuing the investigation. Texas Department of Public Safety - KAM Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division TEXAS FUSION CENTER Phone: (512) 424-7981 Fax: (512) 424-7418 txfusion@txdps.state.tx.us CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This is a CONFIDENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNICATION. DO NOT disseminate, distribute, use or copy this communications if you have received this message in error and/or are not the intended recipient. DESTROY all copies of the original and contact the sender by reply e-mail or by calling the Texas Fusion Center toll free at 1-866-786-5972. From: TXDPSIntelCenter Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:38 AM Cc: Ray, Lisa; Grigsby, Aaron; Alexis, Alvin; Dendy, Kirby; Morales, Jose (Major); Thompson, Tim Subject: FINAL REPORT: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX CID - Austin conducted follow up on report of a suspicious package at the Gault Building in Austin. The package was left in the pre-trial court by a known subject. Person was observed leaving the package and was taken into custody outside of the building. An officer of the court opened the package which revealed a letter. Further investigation is being completed on the package by JTTF. ICT is providing subject work up. Texas Department of Public Safety - KAM Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division TEXAS FUSION CENTER Phone: (512) 424-7981 Fax: (512) 424-7418 txfusion@txdps.state.tx.us CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This is a CONFIDENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNICATION. DO NOT disseminate, distribute, use or copy this communications if you have received this message in error and/or are not the intended recipient. DESTROY all copies of the original and contact the sender by reply e-mail or by calling the Texas Fusion Center toll free at 1-866-786-5972. Title: Suspicious package incites downtown evac Location: Austin, Texas MMC CIR #3: Identifying events with operational value...corroborating critical information. Excerpt from News Article: The Gault building at the Travis County Justice Center in downtown Austin is being evacuated due to a suspicious package, according to Travis County Dispatch. The mandatory evacuation came around 10 a.m. and Austin police said the bomb squad is on the scene. Meanwhile, the Travis County Justice Center is on lockdown. The Austin Police Department and Travis County Sheriff's Office are investigating. Source: KXAN http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/gault-building-evacuation-in-progress Where is it located? Quote Six [Fwd: TrapWire on 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack]] SourceReleased on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT Email-ID 871999 Date 2011-02-15 14:33:17 From burton@stratfor.com To analysts@stratfor.com List-Name analysts@stratfor.com TrapWire is in place at every HVT in NYC, DC, Vegas, London, Ottawa and LA. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: TrapWire on 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack] Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:29:47 -0600 From: Fred Burton To: 'TACTICAL' >From TrapWire -- By the way -- the bad guys figured out long ago how paranoid we are about anything that smacks of WMD…even if it's a deception. Case in point: Dihren Barot, the AQ surveillant who now sits in UK prison, actually stated in his surveillance reports related to the Prudential Building op in NJ that the attack team should paint the gas and oxygen canisters with the yellow and black radioactive symbol. He opined (correctly I believe) that when first responders found bits and pieces of the yellow/black metal, they'd freak out and seal the entire area…and no one would ever believe the USG's subsequent explanation that it wasn’t really radioactive. The bad guys only need to be right once….. (By the way, we brief Barot and many other real-world case studies in our Surveillance Detection training related to TrapWire. Always a bit hit with the LE crowds). Quote Seven [TACTICAL] Fwd: 60 Minutes segment on NYPD counter-terrorism SourceReleased on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT Email-ID 1569288 Date 2011-09-26 19:54:59 From burton@stratfor.com To tactical@stratfor.com List-Name tactical@stratfor.com Note their TrapWire intuitive video surveillance capabilities. NYPD has done what no US Govt Agency has been able to do in the CT arena. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 60 Minutes segment on NYPD counter-terrorism Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:45:34 -0500 From: Grant Perry To: Fred Burton CC: Brian Genchur , Andrew Damon Fighting terrorism in New York City Grant Perry Sr VP, Multimedia & Partnerships STRATFOR 221 W. 6th St., Ste 400 Austin, TX 78733 +1.512.744.4323 grant.perry@stratfor.com Quote Eight [TACTICAL] TrapWire on SARs SourceReleased on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT Email-ID 1576797 Date 2011-07-29 18:18:04 From burton@stratfor.com To tactical@stratfor.com List-Name tactical@stratfor.com Our primary work in this area has been the iWatch program. We built the prototype for LAPD (https://report.iwatchla.net/page/iwatch/iwatchlogin.aspx?site=LA ) and have also now built systems for DC Metro, and the Army. Many more cities/sites will be coming on-line shortly -- including DPS and Austin. iWatch pulls community member reporting into the TrapWire search engine and compares SARs across the country...with potential matches being fed back to the local LE agency. An amazing amount of good quality reporting is coming in from alert citizens (and police officers) in the DC area in particular. Apparently they have dark web data mining also Quote Nine Fred Burton wrote: SourceI don't buy the 90%. Lean more towards 60-70%. I've seen outstanding HUMINT coverages which run 180 degrees from OS, combined with SIGINT. The other aspect is the Dark Web data mining streams now combined w/surveillance logs AND technology like TrapWire. Neither of which very few people see. The high public figures are disinformation to protect sources and methods (foreign liaison channels.) The volumnes of granular data for example on Iran or Mexico today out-pace the OS. Aaron Colvin wrote: So, since [as I understand it] upwards of 90% of all real intel comes from OS, isn't it safe to say these non-gov guys without the TS/SCI info could come somewhere close to the answers? On 9/22/10 9:48 AM, Fred Burton wrote: Agree Having said that, studies like this are read now inside the CIA, NCTC, FBI. Back in the day, nobody read anything other than what each other wrote. The challenge has always been that educational institutions and think tanks lack the access to very valuable feeds of information primarily in the SIGINT arena, so they lack 20-25% of the granular data. For example, let's say the FBI is investigating HZ surveillances in CONUS, predicated upon an intercept that indicates the go order has been given. The think tank does not have access to either reporting stream. Here's an Abraxas Trapwire contract you can read for yourself Here Source Raise any eyebrows yet? I don't see how you guys can all just dismiss this like it's some Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit. Edit: Cameras used are Sony CD55NV-36S picture source for camera Total price? Trapwire Initial deployment/install > $252,000.00 - Annual Recurring Fee $151,000 Cameras price? $427,000.00. I for one welcome our new Orwellian overlords. | ||
forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
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starfries
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
On August 11 2012 16:36 xM(Z wrote: this is about more then security. it's also about controlling the future of people with that pre-collected info (blackmail, extorsion and so on). a random tries to become someone. later on, he gets few tapes showed in his face about stuff he did in his back yard or whatever and it could/will be the end. he's a pawn now. he wont even get payed to shut it. This is correct. It's not about the ten bazillion tons of data, its about the 2GB that will silence someone. "Leaks" can be so inconvenient. And if you think it won't happen, what are your politicians doing in bed with corporate interests? The "climate of fear" is as good as direct action when trying to shut people up, even better because it leaves no traces. On August 11 2012 16:52 forgottendreams wrote: Inevitable... don't care honestly. In the miniscule chance (actually hyper miniscule since I'm fairly certain intelligence datamining relies on algorithm key term hits..) some overworked NSA person actually cares about me, I don't care back that he even cares. Let him or her know about my porn habits or what I write on TL...maybe I entertained them for an hour who knows. It's not just about YOU. It's the society that you live in, where inconvenient truths can be silenced at will. Do you not care that someone else's porn habits could be used to disadvantage you?! | ||
Elroi
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KuKri
Germany168 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:07 Slaughter wrote: I have to disagree with the people saying that the US would "get blown off the face of the earth" if they invaded Canada. No country would throw around a Nuke for the sake of another country. Won't happen because then they put themselves in the line of the US nuclear arsenal which why would they want that? The US WOULD nuke anyone asap who was nuking them so no I don't think Russia would risk that. No one is going to use nukes unless they are crazy or are retaliating against said crazy. So basically nukes are there only to prevent nuking. What a great device nukes are! | ||
Geo.Rion
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Groog
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On August 11 2012 17:12 KuKri wrote: So basically nukes are there only to prevent nuking. What a great device nukes are! Well, thanks to the Nuke we haven't had any large scale wars since 1945. | ||
Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
On August 11 2012 17:43 Groog wrote: Well, thanks to the Nuke we haven't had any large scale wars since 1945. In that case we should sell nukes to any hostile country Like Iran, North Korea etc. because, there wouldnt be any more war ! The reason this aint happening is because the US wants war with Iran to get its oil and the Iran wants peace so it is developping and building Nuclear warheads. For peaces sake !!! lol | ||
Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
Go wikileaks, i hope Assange is granted asylum tomorrow (i believe the ecuadorians said they would give an answer sunday) as a big Fuck you to the US. and to Sweden. | ||
Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On August 11 2012 10:16 GenghisKhan wrote: Since when was freedom not free...? That definitely makes no sense. Freedom is deffinitely not free. Who do you think gave you your freedom? Why is freedom only granted to some? The freedom given you has been paid for with alot of sweat, tears and blood. Everyone'd do well remembering this. Then maybe no one would so freely give it away. Other than that, freedom is, in part, a commodity. Traded, much like money and services. In many ways more money = more freedom. In many ways more power = more freedom. In such ways more freedom for some = less freedom for others. But some freedoms no one can take away from you; until they do... Know that people have bled and died for your freedom. Will you do the same if called upon to defend it? (Not suggesting it has or will come to this within your lifetime, but this is part of a struggle that goes on daily in big parts of the world. We can ofcourse hope such struggles never reach us) | ||
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