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seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
August 11 2012 07:04 GMT
#221
It's like people actually thought those black globes were just solid black plastic spheres before this "leak". Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised no one has pulled out the Ben Franklin quote, that's usually a go-to for a conspiracy nut who doesn't have any other compelling argument.
Soulstice
Profile Joined December 2011
United States288 Posts
August 11 2012 07:04 GMT
#222
On August 11 2012 14:37 Blennd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 13:51 Soulstice wrote:
On August 11 2012 13:39 mikell wrote:
The US is so totalitarian and yet the people do not care. This is something people should care about, but nobody will, because the majority will not be aware of it, even if it is posted all over the internet. If you speak up, they are going to listen, because they can't ignore you. Unfortunately, people do nothing.

Definition of totalitarianism:
"Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (Fox), a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism (people in America idealize leaders), control over the economy (yep), regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance (LOL), and widespread use of terror." (Wikipedia)


And if you speak out against the majority, you will be ostracized *by not only the government but the people too*, this thread has plenty of examples of this perhaps its because if they side with the majority they themselves cant be singled out, until its too late. And the worst part is the people literally cheer this behavior on.

This thread has plenty examples of what now? You paranoid trying-way-too-hard-to-be-cool hypercynics are the vast majority in this thread lol.

I think in order to be paranoid you have to first be scared. Im just making observations.
Living the liefe
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
August 11 2012 07:11 GMT
#223
On August 11 2012 14:54 KnightwhoSaysNI wrote:
This seems like bullshit, it seems like a desperation ploy by Wikileaks to invigorate its users more then anything else. Theres no actual information anywhere that I can find, no leaked documents anywhere at all, and with something this big you would send it to every fucking person ever and start up the revolution. Theres even a website for trapwire for fucks sake. This reminds me alot of War of the World's and when it first aired on radio. When the crazy conspiracy fucks on China daily don't even touch it..


I don't really understand your objection here. Are you saying you don't believe, based on the emails, leak and website descriptions that they are using government owned cameras and monitoring systems to collect and store mass amounts of data about people and, among other things, sell their information to companies like coca cola? or are you saying that you do believe it but it isn't important.

Just want to be clear on that, because your tone seems to imply that if the leak IS Correct it would be significant enough to justify "starting up the revolution"... But for some Reason also based on your tone I feel like when and if the leak is actually confirmed you will switch tactics and claim it is not important. Just want to clarify before I go digging up info for what is potentially a lost cause.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 11 2012 07:11 GMT
#224
On August 11 2012 16:04 seiferoth10 wrote:
It's like people actually thought those black globes were just solid black plastic spheres before this "leak". Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised no one has pulled out the Ben Franklin quote, that's usually a go-to for a conspiracy nut who doesn't have any other compelling argument.


Ah, the famous: " Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both " ?
.
Yea, you'll always get a few of those.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
August 11 2012 07:12 GMT
#225
Scary but should I, anti-global Surveillance system folks and countries with conscience do?
I'm Quotable (IQ)
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
August 11 2012 07:20 GMT
#226
If this was the case, the people who process security clearances have the easiest jobs ever. Just turn on imba country map hack, type in person's name and see if they're a threat or not.

... so is this the reason why a security clearance investigation costs a couple g's... probably not
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
August 11 2012 07:25 GMT
#227
On August 11 2012 16:20 MorningMusume11 wrote:
If this was the case, the people who process security clearances have the easiest jobs ever. Just turn on imba country map hack, type in person's name and see if they're a threat or not.

... so is this the reason why a security clearance investigation costs a couple g's... probably not


Perhaps in a few decades your imba hack can become a reality. Right now it's still in development stage.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 07:31:57
August 11 2012 07:31 GMT
#228
On August 11 2012 16:25 Zahir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 16:20 MorningMusume11 wrote:
If this was the case, the people who process security clearances have the easiest jobs ever. Just turn on imba country map hack, type in person's name and see if they're a threat or not.

... so is this the reason why a security clearance investigation costs a couple g's... probably not


Perhaps in a few decades your imba hack can become a reality. Right now it's still in development stage.


haha poor american citizens. closed beta testers to skynet.

(not being offensive meant as sarcasm/humor )
Forever ZeNEX.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
August 11 2012 07:36 GMT
#229
this is about more then security. it's also about controlling the future of people with that pre-collected info (blackmail, extorsion and so on).
a random tries to become someone. later on, he gets few tapes showed in his face about stuff he did in his back yard or whatever and it could/will be the end. he's a pawn now. he wont even get payed to shut it.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 08:03:10
August 11 2012 07:46 GMT
#230
On August 11 2012 15:52 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 15:41 Epithet wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:54 KnightwhoSaysNI wrote:
This seems like bullshit, it seems like a desperation ploy by Wikileaks to invigorate its users more then anything else. Theres no actual information anywhere that I can find, no leaked documents anywhere at all, and with something this big you would send it to every fucking person ever and start up the revolution. Theres even a website for trapwire for fucks sake. This reminds me alot of War of the World's and when it first aired on radio. When the crazy conspiracy fucks on China daily don't even touch it..

Nice of you to call people crazy conspiracy fucks without reading anything to begin with. If you read the actual website for trapwire you'd see,
"TrapWire is a unique, predictive software system designed to detect patterns indicative of terrorist attacks or criminal operations. Utilizing a proprietary, rules-based engine, TrapWire detects, analyzes and alerts on suspicious events as they are collected over periods of time and across multiple locations. Through the systematic capture of these pre-attack indicators, terrorist or criminal surveillance and pre-attack planning operations can be identified -- and appropriate law enforcement counter measures employed ahead of the attack. As such, our clients are provided with the ability to prevent the terrorist or criminal event, rather than simply mitigate damage or loss of life. "

As for the leaked documents that you spent 0 second searching for they are right here.
Here's a fun one,
Godfather just called.... he "found" my luggage in CA..... don't want to know how or who died..... But it'll be in the States in a few days! --Lauren Goodrich Director of Analysis Senior Eurasia Analyst STRATFOR T: 512.744.4311 F: 512.744.4334 lauren.goodrich@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com
found here. Here is her Linkedin Profile.
Another interesting one regarding public policy for Coca-Cola found here
Interesting, thanks Fred.

Fred Burton wrote:

The FBI has a classified investigation on PETA operatives. I'll see what
I can uncover.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "scott stewart"
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:01:30 -0400
To: 'bart mongoven'
Subject: RE: Public Policy Question for Coca-Cola
Yeah, I'm not sure how that works now either. Bart, is this something
you guys can still help with?






----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Anya Alfano [mailto:anya.alfano@stratfor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:56 AM
To: Fred Burton; scott stewart
Subject: Public Policy Question for Coca-Cola
Coca-Cola just sent me a long list of questions regarding PETA/Animal
Activism and the upcoming Olympics in Vancouver--I've pasted the
questions below. I'm not entirely clear on how much we can task the
public policy group at this point--is there any guidance you can give me
on that front? Coke has asked for a short teleconference with one of
our analysts to discuss this issue--is that something I could ask Kathy,
Bart or Joe to do, or would that be off the table at this point? Stick,
are these questions something that you have a handle on, if we aren't
able to get info from the policy folks?

Any thoughts or guidance would be helpful. Thanks, Anya

Questions---
-- How many PETA supporters are there in Canada?
-- How many of these are inclined toward activism?
-- To what extent will US-based PETA supporters travel to Canada to
support activism?
-- What is PETA's methodology for planning and executing activism?
(Understanding this better would certainly help us to recognize
indicators should they appear.)
-- To what extent is PETA in Canada linked to PETA in the US or
elsewhere?
-- To what extent are the actions of PETA in one country controlled by
an oversight board/governing body?
-- To what extent could non-PETA hangers-on (such as anarchists or ALF
supporters) get involved in any protest activity?

Then again I'm sure you didn't read any of this because anyone who disagrees with you is a "crazy conspiracy fuck" and you're the only sane person alive.


I don't see anything in your post that makes this any less of a "crazy conspiracy" pile of bullshit. So there's some e-mails by a private company who consults with firms on political activism. So they wrote a paragraph on their website, probably as part of some application for a grant/contract, that vaguely references collating information and predicting future events. I have no idea what the fuck that e-mail is supposed to show. That coca-cola is asking about PETA activisits? This is news? This is a surprise to someone? This is meaningful?

Where is the smoking gun here? I see absolutely nothing that even raises an eyebrow.

Alright so the links I linked weren't very damning as you say. I've found more. Hopefully you'll raise and some other people will raise an eyebrow. There's several quotes and I'll provide links for each one. This took a while to read them all.
-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Fighting Grassroots Terrorism:
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:09:34 -0400
From: Michael Maness
To: Fred Burton

Kudos to Scott for another insightful article. As you know, this is
exactly the message we've been pushing for almost seven years now -- and
gaining some traction. TrapWire SAR reports are fed directly/automatically
into the National SAR Initiative (NSI) that Scott mentions...as well as
the FBI's eGuardian system if/when there's confirmed nexus to terrorism or
major crimes (which is happening frequently). Additionally, our networks
in LA, Vegas and DC all support See Something Say Something (S4 as I call
it), with TrapWire actually acting as the analytic tool behind the scenes.
Pentagon, Ft. Meade and USMC (which is pushing to get TrapWire deployed
globally for their bases) all feed their own military-centric S4 type
programs. ("Eagle Eyes" at Quantico for instance).
Source
Quote Two
The surveillance detection was identified by the TrapWire surveillance
system. I'm getting the details on the recons and m.o. The matter is
very dicey. Pls don't pass this around. Thanks

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Fred Burton [mailto:burton@stratfor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:33 PM
To: secure@stratfor.com
Subject: LA Terror Plot (not for pub - pls do not forward)
According to a very good source responsible for domestic surveillance
operations, an extremely serious al Qaeda terror plot has been uncovered
targeting a financial institution, an entertainment center and a
government office bldg in Los Angeles. The same terrorist surveillance
team conducted pre-operational surveillance of all three sites. The
group is currently under watch....
source
Remember that bit on the news for those bullets fired at the White House? Well they used tripwire to find the guy for that.
Quote Three

[alpha] TrapWire on Shots fired at White House

Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT
Email-ID 188257
Date 2011-11-16 21:23:38
From burton@stratfor.com
To alpha@stratfor.com
List-Name alpha@stratfor.com
DC Metro ran traces through TrapWire soon as the incident happened.
National Park Police have approached us for a proposal to cover all of the
Mall area -- in addition to the Fed and Military sites already covered.
Our network there is growing almost daily.



----------------------------------------------------------

A bullet hit an exterior window of the White House but was stopped by
ballistic glass, and the Secret Service was investigating Wednesday
whether the incident is connected to shots fired nearby last week.
An additional round of ammunition was found on the White House exterior.
The bullets were found Tuesday morning.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/how-did-someone-fire-a-shot-at-the-white-house/article2237847/
Source
Quote Four
Re: More for the blog

Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT
Email-ID 375734
Date 2010-09-22 23:11:23
From burton@stratfor.com
To aaron.pigeon@stratfor.com
You think we hit the mark for the blog world? I think so.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Aaron C. Pigeon"
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:35:31 -0500
To: Fred Burton
Subject: Re: More for the blog
posted

http://fredburton.posterous.com/new-surveillance-tool-for-interrupting-terror
On 9/22/10 1:47 PM, Fred Burton wrote:


This week, 500 surveillance cameras were activated on the NYC subway
system to focus on pre-operational terrorist surveillance. The
surveillance technology is also operational on high-value targets (HVTs)
in DC, Las Vegas, Los Angeles and London and is called TrapWire
(www.abraxasapps.com). TrapWire is one of the most innovative tools
developed since 9-11 to help mitigate terrorist threats. From a
protective intelligence perspective, TrapWire does have the ability to
share information on suspicious events or suspects between cities.
Operationally, the ability to identify hostile surveillance at one
target set -- in multiple cities -- can be used to neutralize terror
threats by interrupting the attack cycle. Meaning, a suspect
conducting surveillance of the NYC subway can also be spotted by
TrapWire conducting similar activity at the DC subway, connecting the
infamous dots. An additional benefit of TrapWire is that the system can
also be used to help "walk back the cat" after an attack to identify
terrorist suspects and modus operandi. I can also see the tool being
very effective in identifying general street crime.
source
Quote Five
Re: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package Downtown - Austin, TX

Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT
Email-ID 384066
Date 2010-05-14 19:46:41
From burton@stratfor.com
To Blake.Sawyer@txdps.state.tx.us
Thx

Should review TrapWire video to see if he has walked around the Mansion or
Capital complex...

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Sawyer, Blake"
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:44:16 -0500
To:
Subject: RE: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package
Downtown - Austin, TX

nut



From: Fred Burton [mailto:burton@stratfor.com]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:44 PM
To: Sawyer, Blake
Subject: Re: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package
Downtown - Austin, TX



Suspect a jihadi or nut?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Sawyer, Blake"

Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:36:38 -0500

To: Fred Burton

Subject: FW: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package
Downtown - Austin, TX









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Sent: Fri May 14 11:44:46 2010
Subject: IMMEDIATE UPDATE: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package
Downtown - Austin, TX

Immediate update from JTTF. There is an EXPLOSIVE COMPONENT found in the
package. Subject has made explosive devices in the past and he is IN
CUSTODY. JTTF is continuing the investigation.



Texas Department of Public Safety - KAM

Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division

TEXAS FUSION CENTER

Phone: (512) 424-7981

Fax: (512) 424-7418

txfusion@txdps.state.tx.us



CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This is a CONFIDENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNICATION.
DO NOT disseminate, distribute, use or copy this communications if you
have received this message in error and/or are not the intended recipient.
DESTROY all copies of the original and contact the sender by reply e-mail
or by calling the Texas Fusion Center toll free at 1-866-786-5972.

From: TXDPSIntelCenter
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:38 AM
Cc: Ray, Lisa; Grigsby, Aaron; Alexis, Alvin; Dendy, Kirby; Morales, Jose
(Major); Thompson, Tim
Subject: FINAL REPORT: Bomb Squad Investigating Suspicious Package
Downtown - Austin, TX



CID - Austin conducted follow up on report of a suspicious package at the
Gault Building in Austin. The package was left in the pre-trial court by a
known subject. Person was observed leaving the package and was taken into
custody outside of the building. An officer of the court opened the
package which revealed a letter. Further investigation is being completed
on the package by JTTF. ICT is providing subject work up.





Texas Department of Public Safety - KAM

Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division

TEXAS FUSION CENTER

Phone: (512) 424-7981

Fax: (512) 424-7418

txfusion@txdps.state.tx.us



CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This is a CONFIDENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNICATION.
DO NOT disseminate, distribute, use or copy this communications if you
have received this message in error and/or are not the intended recipient.
DESTROY all copies of the original and contact the sender by reply e-mail
or by calling the Texas Fusion Center toll free at 1-866-786-5972.



Title: Suspicious package incites downtown evac

Location: Austin, Texas



MMC CIR #3: Identifying events with operational value...corroborating
critical information.



Excerpt from News Article:

The Gault building at the Travis County Justice Center in downtown Austin
is being evacuated due to a suspicious package, according to Travis County
Dispatch.



The mandatory evacuation came around 10 a.m. and Austin police said the
bomb squad is on the scene. Meanwhile, the Travis County Justice Center is
on lockdown.



The Austin Police Department and Travis County Sheriff's Office are
investigating.



Source:

KXAN

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/gault-building-evacuation-in-progress
source
Where is it located? Quote Six
[Fwd: TrapWire on 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack]]

Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT
Email-ID 871999
Date 2011-02-15 14:33:17
From burton@stratfor.com
To analysts@stratfor.com
List-Name analysts@stratfor.com
TrapWire is in place at every HVT in NYC, DC, Vegas, London, Ottawa and
LA.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: TrapWire on 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack]
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:29:47 -0600
From: Fred Burton
To: 'TACTICAL'



>From TrapWire --


By the way -- the bad guys figured out long ago how paranoid we are
about anything that smacks of WMD…even if it's a deception.

Case in point: Dihren Barot, the AQ surveillant who now sits in UK
prison, actually stated in his surveillance reports related to the
Prudential Building op in NJ that the attack team should paint the gas
and oxygen canisters with the yellow and black radioactive symbol. He
opined (correctly I believe) that when first responders found bits and
pieces of the yellow/black metal, they'd freak out and seal the entire
area…and no one would ever believe the USG's subsequent explanation that
it wasn’t really radioactive. The bad guys only need to be right once…..


(By the way, we brief Barot and many other real-world case studies in
our Surveillance Detection training related to TrapWire. Always a bit
hit with the LE crowds).
Source
Quote Seven
[TACTICAL] Fwd: 60 Minutes segment on NYPD counter-terrorism

Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT
Email-ID 1569288
Date 2011-09-26 19:54:59
From burton@stratfor.com
To tactical@stratfor.com
List-Name tactical@stratfor.com
Note their TrapWire intuitive video surveillance capabilities. NYPD has
done what no US Govt Agency has been able to do in the CT arena.

-------- Original Message --------

Subject: 60 Minutes segment on NYPD counter-terrorism
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:45:34 -0500
From: Grant Perry
To: Fred Burton
CC: Brian Genchur , Andrew Damon


Fighting terrorism in New York City

Grant Perry
Sr VP, Multimedia & Partnerships
STRATFOR
221 W. 6th St., Ste 400
Austin, TX 78733
+1.512.744.4323
grant.perry@stratfor.com
Source
Quote Eight
[TACTICAL] TrapWire on SARs

Released on 2012-08-09 18:00 GMT
Email-ID 1576797
Date 2011-07-29 18:18:04
From burton@stratfor.com
To tactical@stratfor.com
List-Name tactical@stratfor.com
Our primary work in this area has been the iWatch program. We built the
prototype for LAPD
(https://report.iwatchla.net/page/iwatch/iwatchlogin.aspx?site=LA ) and
have also now built systems for DC Metro, and the Army. Many more
cities/sites will be coming on-line shortly -- including DPS and Austin.
iWatch pulls community member reporting into the TrapWire search engine
and compares SARs across the country...with potential matches being fed
back to the local LE agency. An amazing amount of good quality reporting
is coming in from alert citizens (and police officers) in the DC area in
particular.
Source
Apparently they have dark web data mining also
Quote Nine
Fred Burton wrote:

I don't buy the 90%. Lean more towards 60-70%. I've seen outstanding
HUMINT coverages which run 180 degrees from OS, combined with SIGINT.

The other aspect is the Dark Web data mining streams now combined
w/surveillance logs AND technology like TrapWire. Neither of which very
few people see.

The high public figures are disinformation to protect sources and
methods (foreign liaison channels.)

The volumnes of granular data for example on Iran or Mexico today
out-pace the OS.


Aaron Colvin wrote:


So, since [as I understand it] upwards of 90% of all real intel comes
from OS, isn't it safe to say these non-gov guys without the TS/SCI info
could come somewhere close to the answers?

On 9/22/10 9:48 AM, Fred Burton wrote:



Agree

Having said that, studies like this are read now inside the CIA, NCTC,
FBI. Back in the day, nobody read anything other than what each other
wrote.

The challenge has always been that educational institutions and think
tanks lack the access to very valuable feeds of information primarily in
the SIGINT arena, so they lack 20-25% of the granular data.

For example, let's say the FBI is investigating HZ surveillances in
CONUS, predicated upon an intercept that indicates the go order has been
given. The think tank does not have access to either reporting stream.
Source
Here's an Abraxas Trapwire contract you can read for yourself Here Source
Raise any eyebrows yet? I don't see how you guys can all just dismiss this like it's some Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit.
Edit: Cameras used are Sony CD55NV-36S picture source for camera
Total price? Trapwire Initial deployment/install > $252,000.00 - Annual Recurring Fee $151,000 Cameras price? $427,000.00. I for one welcome our new Orwellian overlords.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 07:55:29
August 11 2012 07:52 GMT
#231
Inevitable... don't care honestly. In the miniscule chance (actually hyper miniscule since I'm fairly certain intelligence datamining relies on algorithm key term hits..) some overworked NSA person actually cares about me, I don't care back that he even cares. Let him or her know about my porn habits or what I write on TL...maybe I entertained them for an hour who knows.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
August 11 2012 08:03 GMT
#232
I know you're reading this, and you'll never find the bodies.
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hummingbird23
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 08:28:39
August 11 2012 08:04 GMT
#233
On August 11 2012 16:36 xM(Z wrote:
this is about more then security. it's also about controlling the future of people with that pre-collected info (blackmail, extorsion and so on).
a random tries to become someone. later on, he gets few tapes showed in his face about stuff he did in his back yard or whatever and it could/will be the end. he's a pawn now. he wont even get payed to shut it.


This is correct. It's not about the ten bazillion tons of data, its about the 2GB that will silence someone. "Leaks" can be so inconvenient.

And if you think it won't happen, what are your politicians doing in bed with corporate interests?

The "climate of fear" is as good as direct action when trying to shut people up, even better because it leaves no traces.

On August 11 2012 16:52 forgottendreams wrote:
Inevitable... don't care honestly. In the miniscule chance (actually hyper miniscule since I'm fairly certain intelligence datamining relies on algorithm key term hits..) some overworked NSA person actually cares about me, I don't care back that he even cares. Let him or her know about my porn habits or what I write on TL...maybe I entertained them for an hour who knows.


It's not just about YOU. It's the society that you live in, where inconvenient truths can be silenced at will. Do you not care that someone else's porn habits could be used to disadvantage you?!
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
August 11 2012 08:11 GMT
#234
This is incredibly scary, but I am happy Wikilleaks is running again.
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KuKri
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany168 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 08:16:39
August 11 2012 08:12 GMT
#235
On August 11 2012 11:07 Slaughter wrote:
I have to disagree with the people saying that the US would "get blown off the face of the earth" if they invaded Canada. No country would throw around a Nuke for the sake of another country. Won't happen because then they put themselves in the line of the US nuclear arsenal which why would they want that? The US WOULD nuke anyone asap who was nuking them so no I don't think Russia would risk that.

No one is going to use nukes unless they are crazy or are retaliating against said crazy.

So basically nukes are there only to prevent nuking. What a great device nukes are!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
August 11 2012 08:42 GMT
#236
OMG INVASION OF PRIVACY! Yeah, for sure, but i cant imagine this possibly effecting me in any negative way ever. Big corporate guy has information about me? Duh, so what? I understand people being up in arms about it, but i'm personally indifferent
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Groog
Profile Joined July 2010
127 Posts
August 11 2012 08:43 GMT
#237
On August 11 2012 17:12 KuKri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 11:07 Slaughter wrote:
I have to disagree with the people saying that the US would "get blown off the face of the earth" if they invaded Canada. No country would throw around a Nuke for the sake of another country. Won't happen because then they put themselves in the line of the US nuclear arsenal which why would they want that? The US WOULD nuke anyone asap who was nuking them so no I don't think Russia would risk that.

No one is going to use nukes unless they are crazy or are retaliating against said crazy.

So basically nukes are there only to prevent nuking. What a great device nukes are!


Well, thanks to the Nuke we haven't had any large scale wars since 1945.
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
August 11 2012 08:46 GMT
#238
On August 11 2012 17:43 Groog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 17:12 KuKri wrote:
On August 11 2012 11:07 Slaughter wrote:
I have to disagree with the people saying that the US would "get blown off the face of the earth" if they invaded Canada. No country would throw around a Nuke for the sake of another country. Won't happen because then they put themselves in the line of the US nuclear arsenal which why would they want that? The US WOULD nuke anyone asap who was nuking them so no I don't think Russia would risk that.

No one is going to use nukes unless they are crazy or are retaliating against said crazy.

So basically nukes are there only to prevent nuking. What a great device nukes are!


Well, thanks to the Nuke we haven't had any large scale wars since 1945.


In that case we should sell nukes to any hostile country Like Iran, North Korea etc. because, there wouldnt be any more war ! The reason this aint happening is because the US wants war with Iran to get its oil and the Iran wants peace so it is developping and building Nuclear warheads.

For peaces sake !!!
lol
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 09:23:00
August 11 2012 09:14 GMT
#239
Not all surprising, but where will they stop is the worrying part, if they ever stop, doubtful.

Go wikileaks, i hope Assange is granted asylum tomorrow (i believe the ecuadorians said they would give an answer sunday) as a big Fuck you to the US. and to Sweden.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 09:18:44
August 11 2012 09:16 GMT
#240
On August 11 2012 10:16 GenghisKhan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:51 ilikeredheads wrote:
Freedom isn't free. The US government is there to serve large private corporations, not the general public.



Since when was freedom not free...? That definitely makes no sense.


Freedom is deffinitely not free. Who do you think gave you your freedom? Why is freedom only granted to some?

The freedom given you has been paid for with alot of sweat, tears and blood. Everyone'd do well remembering this. Then maybe no one would so freely give it away.

Other than that, freedom is, in part, a commodity. Traded, much like money and services. In many ways more money = more freedom. In many ways more power = more freedom. In such ways more freedom for some = less freedom for others. But some freedoms no one can take away from you; until they do...

Know that people have bled and died for your freedom. Will you do the same if called upon to defend it?

(Not suggesting it has or will come to this within your lifetime, but this is part of a struggle that goes on daily in big parts of the world. We can ofcourse hope such struggles never reach us)
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