EPTInstead, everyone says, "Oh yeah, I knew that. But I'm not important enough for them to care."
as if robotic searches care how many hits you have on their hot-word database.
Wikileaks reveals global Surveillance system - Page 13
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
Instead, everyone says, "Oh yeah, I knew that. But I'm not important enough for them to care." as if robotic searches care how many hits you have on their hot-word database. | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On August 11 2012 10:29 Brett wrote: You're in public... Some dolt on the street can follow you and record your every move if they want. And they don't need this system to do it. I think this is paranoia at its finest. Not really. It would be illegal, atleast here in Norway. You're in public... Some dolt on the street can follow you and shoot you in your every move, if they want. Also illegal. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean we should condone it. Personally I really don't care about the cameras. For now they have no impact on my life or freedom or whatever, and I do not mind. But you shouldn't fool yourselves by accepting such things without even considering your own freedom. At one point it will start to infringe upoon it, if no one says stop. (this is why we have laws etc, so that such things can't get out of hand -- until it does  ) | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:02 Coagulation wrote: well I cant say im suprised at all.. public surveillance is clearly an inevitable integration of technology in society. I might get a little worried when they start nuking people from orbit with laser satelites but untill then they can watch me all day i dont care. Roflmfao. My sentiments exactly! Not really anything we didnt know, just confirmation  | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:09 Little Rage Box wrote: I find it almost laughable that people are worried and Lockheed Martin and Northrup Gruman. Did any of you stop to think that they could be using this information in a effort to stop industrial spying? I mean its not like there are plenty of nations out there looking to gain an upper hand against US military aircraft superiority. Same goes for the chemical companies. Protection of the public is the domain of the government, if they want to improve way to help keep the public/ public spaces safe by all means go ahead. God forbid they do something right with the system then whatever will we have to complain about... Really? By all means? What if they made it so no one could walk outside without an armed cop holding their hand? Careful when you say "by all means" dude. . . | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
Not to say that conspiracy theories aren't usually total bullshit... But it's also wrong to condemn everything as stupid just because there is no definite proof(you shouldn't take it as a truth without proof either...) | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 11 2012 18:39 Cutlery wrote: Really? By all means? What if they made it so no one could walk outside without an armed cop holding their hand? Careful when you say "by all means" dude. . . Or, you know, he didn't mean it literally...because "by all means" is almost never meant literal. | ||
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Groog
127 Posts
On August 11 2012 17:46 Holy_AT wrote: In that case we should sell nukes to any hostile country Like Iran, North Korea etc. because, there wouldnt be any more war ! The reason this aint happening is because the US wants war with Iran to get its oil and the Iran wants peace so it is developping and building Nuclear warheads. For peaces sake !!! lol How does one extract oil from a nuked country safely? Exactly. | ||
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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Space Invader
Australia291 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote: this is terrible, and the most important leak from wikileaks so far. How bourgeois and american of you... | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:05 K_Dilkington wrote: Juding from the comments from the Americans in this thread, you deserve everything that is coming for you. Enjoy the inevitable police state that will make sure that you can't even write freely on this forum anymore. Yeah, im surprised, too, at how many people don't see this as bad. I thought TL had a good ratio of people who would understand the consequences this first steps imply. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On August 11 2012 18:28 Capped wrote: Roflmfao. My sentiments exactly! Not really anything we didnt know, just confirmation And what happens when they can do that? What prevents them from just frying you can saying that it was a "malfunction", if it even reaches the media? | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:05 K_Dilkington wrote: Juding from the comments from the Americans in this thread, you deserve everything that is coming for you. Enjoy the inevitable police state that will make sure that you can't even write freely on this forum anymore. Tho I don't like those "nation" things. A lot of the "pro-surveillance" are US citiziens. When I saw the militarized police my jaw fell on the table. This certaintly suprised me more than the eSurveillance going on. Guess it is time to get the proxies up and hide behind some curtains while browsing the web. Yet I always wasn't like "hey lets encrypt everydata I send and get" but seems like it is time to get used to it. | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
On August 11 2012 18:24 darkscream wrote: There should be riots over this. Instead, everyone says, "Oh yeah, I knew that. But I'm not important enough for them to care." as if robotic searches care how many hits you have on their hot-word database. I totally agree with you, but you see the problem is that no one can riot alone.... The world's authorities are being control freaks right now but nobody cares as if it wasn't theyr responsability to raise against that. We have facts on the existence of the Bilderberg's meeting, the bohemian grove, that 650.000 documents have been classified last year in USA,... Asking anything related to this topic makes you a conspiracy theroist,... But we arent gonna do anything right ? Our kids have even less chances to riot against that, let's not screw their future, shall we. The gouvernment that was supposed to garantee our liberties is taking them away and people just don't care... I can watch any fantasy or sci-fi movies, in the end, the reality is way more mind boggling | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7518 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:21 Warri wrote: Yeah, im surprised, too, at how many people don't see this as bad. I thought TL had a good ratio of people who would understand the consequences this first steps imply. Yes, the average american has slipped so far from an resemblance of class and dignity that when treated like cattle, they moo and move away. I love my country, very much, but we have truly got ourselves into a harbinger. Also, I imagine most of us that care have already looked over this. This isn't new, I've already lost my ability to present a narrative on the amount of strange things I've learned reading over these. If you think this is good, read the CIA: Red Cell document they have up. It details over the year 2008, how the CIA intended to manipulate European populations (combat ally nations) to not 'support' the war in Afghanistan, but simply to cause them to just not act up and interfere. It is really good fiction writing - except that it's real and it worked. | ||
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IGotPlayguuu
Italy660 Posts
I really can't believe you don't care about this. Basically the corporations are inside your life, they know almost everything they need to know about you, even without your consensus. Facial recognition really scares me. And there can be further steps... Do you really think this is really needed in order to fight "terrorism"? | ||
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SlayerOfYou
58 Posts
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
When will you guys get that protecting society against terrorism and other really bad things while not doing any surveillance or other kinds of intelligence gathering is close to impossible. Maybe these things are designed to protect against stuff that is very real... Maybe your fear for mass surveillance of every citizen is unwarranted? It is always the same arguments: small small steps are being taken towards a system where everyone is being watched. Implicitly you suggest that there is a hidden agenda with the ultimate purpose of total surveillance. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
let the paranoids live in a bunker or something | ||
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Absentia
United Kingdom973 Posts
Excerpt from the TV show Boston Legal around 2006. In the extract, the lawyer's assistant has been charged with tax avoidance because she refuses to fund the US government, and some their policies, on ideological grounds. This is his defence of her. The passive reaction of some people in this thread is saddening. It's one thing to believe you're being watched and not feel bothered. To be shown, explicitly, that your freedom is being fundamentally undermined, without any consent whatsoever, and to still retain that passive acceptance? What's wrong with you? | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:46 one-one-one wrote: The conspiracy theories are always the same. When will you guys get that protecting society against terrorism and other really bad things while not doing any surveillance or other kinds of intelligence gathering is close to impossible. Maybe these things are designed to protect against stuff that is very real... Maybe your fear for mass surveillance of every citizen is unwarranted? It is always the same arguments: small small steps are being taken towards a system where everyone is being watched. Implicitly you suggest that there is a hidden agenda with the ultimate purpose of total surveillance. And with your last paragraph you hit the nail in the head. THAT is exactly what is planned as you can read in the information stated in the OP. This system and all information gathering in that fashion doesn't give you any more insight into terrorist activity. There are still ways to cloak where you are what you are talking. Normal encryption as used 2000 BC is still good enough to communicate and make 3rd parties not understand a thing. Those systems doesn't get you anywhere if you want to fight terrorism. It is fighting fire with fire. For me all this looks way more like france in the end of 18th century  no conspiracy, real history.+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/James_Gillray_Pinnacle_of_Liberty.jpeg) | ||
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